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Sat Mar 16, 2013, 02:30 AM

 

Next Generation Subway system coming to America.

The Air Force will soon ask industry for help in planning how to modernize the ground-based leg of the nuclear triad, eying a big-ticket acquisition effort to either maintain the Minuteman III missile or replace it with a new ICBM that could be hidden in a custom-built underground subway system.
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Of these approaches, the most bold -- and potentially most expensive -- would be the "new tunnel" concept. It would require a vast underground subway-like network of pathways to shuttle new missiles around to multiple launch portals, any of which of could be used to fire the missile. "The tunnel concept mode operates similar to a subway system but with only a single transporter/launcher and missile dedicated to a given tunnel," states the notice. "The tunnel is long enough to improve survivability but leaving enough room to permit adequate 'rattle space' in the event of an enemy attack."

Unmanned cars, either on rails or in "trackless" mode, would move along the tunnels and, in a doomsday scenario, use any one of the launch portals that would be built at "regular" intervals to allow the transporter to raised and fire the missile.

The "new fixed" concept calls for a new "super-hardened" silo capable of withstanding "ground shock levels."

The mobile concept would involve a new ICBM on a "transporter erector launcher" that is capable of off-road deployment -- one that could "leave government land to increase survivability." This system should be able to launch up to two Mk12A or Mk21 reentry vehicles, which house thermonuclear warheads.

"Guidance needs to account for the deployed mode to ensure adequate accuracy is achieved while maintaining prompt responsive capabilities," states the solicitation.

http://insidedefense.com/201303122427355/Inside-Defense-General/Public-Articles/air-force-readies-contracts-to-shape-minuteman-iii-modernization-plans/menu-id-926.html

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Reply Next Generation Subway system coming to America. (Original post)
Paul E Ester Mar 2013 OP
HiPointDem Mar 2013 #1
msongs Mar 2013 #3
Initech Mar 2013 #4
HiPointDem Mar 2013 #5
Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #7
longship Mar 2013 #2
Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #17
olddots Mar 2013 #6
Victor_c3 Mar 2013 #8
PCIntern Mar 2013 #9
bulloney Mar 2013 #10
CosmicDustBunny Mar 2013 #11
DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2013 #12
baldguy Mar 2013 #15
Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2013 #18
MineralMan Mar 2013 #13
99Forever Mar 2013 #14
FarCenter Mar 2013 #16
Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #19

Response to Paul E Ester (Original post)

Sat Mar 16, 2013, 02:35 AM

1. subways ok for missles; 'too expensive' for people. our ruling class is morally bankrupt.

 

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 16, 2013, 02:43 AM

3. just think of them as drones, everyone from obama on down will worship them then nt

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 16, 2013, 02:45 AM

4. There's profit to be had in war, not so much us.

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Response to Initech (Reply #4)

Sat Mar 16, 2013, 02:46 AM

5. The profit in war comes directly from us.

 

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Response to Initech (Reply #4)

Sat Mar 16, 2013, 03:23 AM

7. Especially in a make-believe war that nobody will ever fight.

 

The branches are all busily manufacturing bogey-man fantasies to keep the fools afraid of shadows and the gravy train running.

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Response to Paul E Ester (Original post)

Sat Mar 16, 2013, 02:42 AM

2. Dr. Strangelove?



What about the subway gap?

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Response to longship (Reply #2)

Sat Mar 16, 2013, 11:36 AM

17. 10 to 1 ratio. Thats one way to get the brass on board.

 

I need to watch this movie again, when I saw it the first time many years ago I am sure a lot of the nuance went over my head.

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Response to Paul E Ester (Original post)

Sat Mar 16, 2013, 02:52 AM

6. thanks for the link

the department of defense was once called the WAR department but they softened the name for the public.

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Response to olddots (Reply #6)

Sat Mar 16, 2013, 06:51 AM

8. Yup. It is harder to cut your defense budget that it is to cut your war budget

especially when you aren't at war with anyone.

I'm a big fan of returning the name of the DOD back to "Department of War".

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Response to Paul E Ester (Original post)

Sat Mar 16, 2013, 07:14 AM

9. Well this is a big relief...

I was up nights worrying that I didn't have be up nights thinking about thermonuclear war. Now I can not sleep peacefully.

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Response to Paul E Ester (Original post)

Sat Mar 16, 2013, 08:34 AM

10. Faux Snooze viewers probably think this is about a new chain of sandwich restaurants.

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Response to Paul E Ester (Original post)

Sat Mar 16, 2013, 10:39 AM

11. Why bother? If enough nuclear weapons come at us to justify such movement,...

 

... the nuclear winter would be enough to kill the entire planet without our having to respond with a single missile. It's silly. What are we going to be defending? As soon as NORAD detects a launch, we would counter launch. The entire volly would be over before they could move a single missile. Sounds like one of those "unnecessary expenditures" the GOP keeps talking about to me.

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Response to Paul E Ester (Original post)

Sat Mar 16, 2013, 10:42 AM

12. Isn't this just a rehash of the old MX missile system?

Weren't there underground tracks for the MX also, so that we could continue to wage nuclear war long after everyone on the planet was dead?

Also, given the sad state of our public transportation system, it's ironic to note our newest "subway system".

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #12)

Sat Mar 16, 2013, 10:52 AM

15. Sounds like it.

Another multi-billion dollar boondoggle left over from the ancient days of St Reagan.

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #12)

Sat Mar 16, 2013, 11:37 AM

18. The MX missile system was supposed to be above ground

but camouflaged.

One comedian asked, "Why don't we just paint moustaches on the missiles?"

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Response to Paul E Ester (Original post)

Sat Mar 16, 2013, 10:44 AM

13. Unnecessary, Expensive, and Elaborate.

Sounds like a typical military project.

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Response to Paul E Ester (Original post)

Sat Mar 16, 2013, 10:44 AM

14. This kind of crap....

.. is what has condemned this Nation to it's well deserved end.

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Response to Paul E Ester (Original post)

Sat Mar 16, 2013, 11:28 AM

16. China has one -- We have to have one too!

Georgetown students shed light on China’s tunnel system for nuclear weapons

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2011-11-29/world/35280981_1_nuclear-weapons-georgetown-students-military-journals

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #16)

Sat Mar 16, 2013, 12:04 PM

19. Nice catch thank you...nt

 

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