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Wed Mar 13, 2013, 11:38 AM

Elizabeth Warren: "‘Chained CPI’ is just a fancy way to say..."

“‘Chained CPI’ is just a fancy way to say ‘cut benefits for seniors, the permanently disabled, and orphans,’”
- Elizabeth Warren, FDR Democrat

Let's fight for what's right.

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Reply Elizabeth Warren: "‘Chained CPI’ is just a fancy way to say..." (Original post)
MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 OP
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BuelahWitch Mar 2013 #2
loudsue Mar 2013 #14
OnyxCollie Mar 2013 #110
caledesi Mar 2013 #55
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Doctor_J Mar 2013 #6
AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #24
madokie Mar 2013 #7
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JDPriestly Mar 2013 #32
proverbialwisdom Mar 2013 #39
jtuck004 Mar 2013 #74
proverbialwisdom Mar 2013 #83
jtuck004 Mar 2013 #85
proverbialwisdom Mar 2013 #96
jtuck004 Mar 2013 #100
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tomp Mar 2013 #117
Jakes Progress Mar 2013 #128
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grahamhgreen Mar 2013 #111
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calimary Mar 2013 #84
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loudsue Mar 2013 #131
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ProSense Mar 2013 #13
MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #18
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ProSense Mar 2013 #22
caseymoz Mar 2013 #69
ProSense Mar 2013 #71
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Skraxx Mar 2013 #33
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demwing Mar 2013 #78
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NorthCarolina Mar 2013 #136
cantbeserious Mar 2013 #15
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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 11:44 AM

1. Du rec. Nt

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 11:45 AM

2. She and Bernie have our back n/t

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Response to BuelahWitch (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:23 PM

14. That isn't saying much. It means that 98 other senators might just send the rest of the 99% down

the river without a paddle. How can any people who make $175,000 a year be allowed to vote on what supports the other 300 million who don't.

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Response to loudsue (Reply #14)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 12:11 AM

110. Instead of being the head of the CFPB,

she gets to be in the Senate and rendered useless.

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Response to BuelahWitch (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 02:18 PM

55. Amen to that! B. nt

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 11:47 AM

3. I had some doubts about her initially but I'm really beginning to like her

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 11:47 AM

4. Thank goddess for Elizabeth! She is so good...

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 11:48 AM

5. Truth. Warren appears to not be a weasel.

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Response to caledesi (Reply #57)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 02:43 PM

65. Weasel not Wesel. I was complimenting Warren for being straightforward about Chained CPI being

a cut in benefits.

from New World Encyclopedia online:

"In English-language popular culture, the term "weasel" commonly is associated with devious or treacherous characters."

Many pols and pundits dance (or weasel) around the concept as to whether or not "Chained CPI" is a benefit cut, Warren does not.

I am complimenting Warren for being a straightforward pol in stating Chained CPI is a cut. So far my impression is that we need more Senators and Reps and appointees as straightforward as Ms. Warren.

Wesel is a town in Germany and otherwise have no idea what wesel means.

Peace out.

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Response to PufPuf23 (Reply #65)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 02:46 PM

67. Sorry. Read it wrong . nt

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Response to caledesi (Reply #67)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 02:52 PM

68. No problem at all. Good day to you. nt

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 11:49 AM

6. She won't last long

the real Dems are being run out of Washington by the Obamas and Clintons

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #6)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:50 PM

24. "the real Dems" can be run out of here if the say unapproved things.

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 11:50 AM

7. Lets not forget

Obama is about 15 good steps ahead of the gop. You can bet your ass that he does not want to go down in history as an unsavory president as a lot of this kind of shit implies.
this is not directed at you MG

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Response to madokie (Reply #7)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:53 PM

27. He certainly is fooling someone.

 



There are those who think that it is the Republicans.

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Response to madokie (Reply #7)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:59 PM

32. Or at least he THINKS he is 15 steps ahead of the GOP.

If he were, he would not be talking about chained CPI.

He would be keeping his campaign promise of 2008 -- and calling for a higher cap on income subject to Social Security.

We the people do not want the chained CPI. That's one thing pretty much all people, whether Democrats or Republicans agree on.

Obama is making a huge mistake going after Social Security.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #32)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 01:32 PM

39. Just maybe he wants the public to roar about an issue. nt

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Response to proverbialwisdom (Reply #39)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 03:50 PM

74. 6 million families yanked out of their homes in foreclosures, 47 million on food stamps, 50 million

in poverty, thieving bankers having stolen hundreds of billions of dollars in an ongoing criminal conspiracy...

and he picks this?

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Response to jtuck004 (Reply #74)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 04:40 PM

83. Maybe there are reasons the public's involvement is needed as leverage.

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Response to proverbialwisdom (Reply #83)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 04:57 PM

85. So we enrich, collaborate with, and protect the bankers at the expense of everyone else?

That's a hell of a way to encourage involvement.

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Response to jtuck004 (Reply #85)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 07:25 PM

96. I don't know what you're taking about, I never suggested anything remotely like your post suggests.

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Response to proverbialwisdom (Reply #96)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 09:12 PM

100. NEver said you did.


You wrote "Maybe there are reasons the public's involvement is needed as leverage."

And I was commenting (questioning?) on the fact that if that is the case, what we are doing seems an odd way to go about that.

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Response to jtuck004 (Reply #74)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 09:30 PM

104. Shows where his priorities lie, eh?

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #32)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 05:49 AM

117. or perhaps he's fifteen steps ahead of.....

.....naive democrats/liberals

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Response to tomp (Reply #117)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 09:29 AM

128. If by "ahead" you mean moving to the right.

So what is the opposite of a naive Democrat or liberal? Would it be someone "sensible" like TT's woodchuck?

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Response to Jakes Progress (Reply #128)

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 06:15 AM

146. for the record, I mean the naive ones are the ones who support him. nt

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Response to tomp (Reply #146)

Mon Apr 15, 2013, 03:42 PM

147. We agree then.

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Response to madokie (Reply #7)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 01:38 AM

111. 15 steps ahead of you!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 11:56 AM

8. I guess they thought if they used language like 'Chained CPI' they

could fool the people.

I remember Paul Ryan telling Bush in 2005 that SS was 'no longer the third rail' of politics. He found out how wrong he was when Bush was sent home from his intended 50 state campaign to cut SS after maybe two or three states.

However, with Democrats helping them out now it looks they are close to getting their decades long dream of ending the New Deal started.

It is SHAMEFUL for any Democrat to even pretend that this is not what they are doing and I think it's past time to make them aware that Ryan was wrong then and is still wrong. Any Democrat who does not speak out strongly against the Chained CPI or whatever other deceptive term they come up, that attacks SS, will not be reelected.

In fact, maybe it's time for the American people to file a Class Action suit against the Government to stop them from stealing from this fund and to force them to repay the money they've already stolen.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #8)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:12 PM

12. And then...?

They'd just block the lawsuit, you know. They can do that. They are the law.

If our politicians won't listen to us, there's only one way we can fix it: we have to stop listening to them.

Hopefully, we won't have to take it that far... and hopefully, if we must, we will.

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Response to sangsaran (Reply #12)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 04:56 PM

84. Welcome to DU, sangsaran!

Glad you're here. It's a shame so many of our Dems are still so spineless. We've got Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders and ...

Well, maybe Barbara Boxer. But I don't see many others.

WE have to make our voices heard! TOLL FREE Capitol Hill switchboard numbers in my sig line below.

Remember one thing - if they think you don't care, THEY WON'T, EITHER!!!!!

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #8)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 05:23 PM

87. Watch them wiggle.

Cutting Social Security became implementing "chained CPI." When "chained CPI" started becoming toxic they made a few minor changes and rebranded it as "superlative CPI."

The original Ryan Plan for Medicare was a voucher plan. When "vouchers" became toxic, they renamed the plan "premium support." In Allen West's unsuccessful run for re-election, he walked away from both "vouchers" and "premium support" and tried to call the same plan "defined contribution."

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:07 PM

9. It is time for

chained corporate welfare.

The solution is there and it is a matter of taking the obese corporate behemoths off of our collective teet. We're being slowly starved -- death in slow motion.

Sorry mutual-nationals, but you are dead-beats and we can't pay your support anymore.

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Response to Newest Reality (Reply #9)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:52 PM

26. +1

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Response to Newest Reality (Reply #9)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 02:10 PM

50. !

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Response to Newest Reality (Reply #9)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 09:33 AM

131. +1,000 !!! Great point! Good slogan.

We need more people to become aware of where the real problems lie...corporations, military contractors, privatized government services.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:07 PM

10. No truer words

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:10 PM

11. I love her!

Wish we had more Democrats like her in Congress!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:14 PM

13. More proof

that this proposal is never going to pass the Senate. Look at who signed this letter:

Do Not Cut Social Security

September 20, 2012

A major bloc of 29 senators took a strong stand today against any cuts to Social Security as part of a deficit reduction deal. "We will oppose including Social Security cuts for future or current beneficiaries in any deficit reduction package," the senators said in a letter circulated by Sen. Bernie Sanders, the founder of the Senate Defending Social Security Caucus. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and Sen. Charles Schumer, the Senate's No. 3 leader, signed the letter. So did Sens. Mark Begich, Sheldon Whitehouse and Al Franken, who joined Sanders at a Capitol news conference.

Social Security has not contributed to the deficit or to the national debt, the senators said. The program that benefits more than 50 million retirees, widows, widowers, orphans and disabled Americans has a $2.7 trillion surplus and, according to actuaries, will be able to pay every benefit owed to every eligible recipient for the next 21 years.

"Contrary to some claims, Social Security is not the cause of our nation's deficit problem. Not only does the program operate independently, but it is prohibited from borrowing," the letter said. "Even though Social Security operates in a fiscally responsible manner, some still advocate deep benefit cuts and seem convinced that Social Security hands out lavish welfare checks. But Social Security is not welfare. Seniors earned their benefits by working and paying into the system," the letter added.

Social Security has not contributed to deficits because it has a dedicated funding stream. Workers and employers each pay half of a 12.4 percent payroll tax on the first $110,100 of a worker's wages. The tax rate for employees was reduced to 4.2 percent in 2011 and 2012, but is scheduled to return to 6.2 percent in January.

To read the letter, click here »

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=066FB085-5798-4E6C-ABA2-85549D84DFA6


Other signatories:

Sens. Jack Reed (D-R.I.), Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio), Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), Ben Cardin (D-Md.), Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.), Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.), Tom Harkin (D-Iowa), Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.), Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.), Barbara Mikulski (D-Md.), Patty Murray (D-Wash.), Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.), Maria Cantwell (D-Wash.), Daniel Akaka (D-Hawaii), Tim Johnson (D-S.D.), John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.), Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii), Tom Udall (D-N.M.), Robert Menendez (D-N.J.), Carl Levin (D-Mich.), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) and Joe Manchin III (D-W.Va.)

This doesn't include Elizabeth Warren and other new Senators.

They should be working to pass this bill:

Sanders, Reid, DeFazio Introduce Legislation to Strengthen Social Security
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022475178

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Response to ProSense (Reply #13)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:40 PM

18. "in any deficit reduction package"

Which doesn't rule out a hand-shake deal to cut SS later, in order to "strengthen" it, as part of the alternative austerity package being discussed today.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #18)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:42 PM

20. Do you

"in any deficit reduction package"

Which doesn't rule out a hand-shake deal to cut SS later, in order to "strengthen" it, as part of the alternative austerity package being discussed today.

...think Bernie Sanders secretly wants to cut SS?

Sanders, Reid, DeFazio Introduce Legislation to Strengthen Social Security
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022475178

Dem Senator Introduces Bill To Lift Social Security’s Tax Cap, Extend Its Solvency For Decades
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021871773


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Response to ProSense (Reply #20)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:43 PM

21. No. Did I say that?

He wants to get the best that he can get. That's probably the best he could get a bunch of today's elected Democrats to agree to.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #21)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:46 PM

22. Actually,

"He wants to get the best that he can get."

...he wants to filibuster. I'm sure Senator Warren will join him, and there's no reason those who signed the letter shouldn't

Bernie Sanders will filibuster the grand bargain to protect
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022496719

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Response to ProSense (Reply #22)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 03:05 PM

69. Then the Repubs will turn the tables.


And it will be the Democrats in Congress obstructing.

Really, it depends on how public opinion goes as the sequester continues and how public opinion goes. Having the Democrats blocking the deal at the end might destroy any advantage the Dems have for 2014.

And the fact is, Obama did not have to offer Chained CPI in the first place

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Response to caseymoz (Reply #69)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 03:12 PM

71. I don't think

"And it will be the Democrats in Congress obstructing. "

...it "obstructing" to protect Social Security, and I doubt the more than 80 percent of Americans who do not want it touched will see it that way.

Republicans obstruct for the sake of obstruction. They block jobs bills and confirmations just because they can.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #71)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 05:19 PM

86. Repeat:OBama did not have to offer chained CPI in the first place. n/t

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Response to kurtzapril4 (Reply #86)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 07:38 PM

98. But he did, and Republicans have yet to accept. n/t

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Response to ProSense (Reply #98)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 04:34 PM

144. Why would someone,

who is alleged to be a Democrat, do such a thing? Weren't you one of the folks saying he would never do something like that, it was just the media talking about it, we were all being nervous nellies for taking the bait, and on and on. Looks like we were right, doesn't it?

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Response to ProSense (Reply #71)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 06:51 PM

92. No, they block it because


. . . they're ideologically opposed to government "interfering with the economy." As such, President Obama's too pro-government for them.

If people are suffering in the economy, and some dems filibuster against ending the sequester due to a "quibble" Chained-CPI, yes, it could very well come down against them. Most people don't understand it. Look how long it took some people on DU to figure out it's a cut in benefits.

And the fact still stands, President Obama did not have offer it at all.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #18)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 01:06 PM

33. Now You're Imaging "Hand Shake" Deals to cut SS?

"But ultimately, it may be that– the differences are just– too wide. It may be that ideologically, if their position is, “We can’t do any revenue,” or, “We can only do revenue if we gut Medicare or gut Social Security or gut Medicaid,” if that’s the position, then we’re probably not gonna be able to get a deal."

So no matter what Obama actually does, or says, you're just going to imagine that he really, really, really wants to cut benefits anyway. Sounds like you're the one with the pre-determined agenda here, not Obama.

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Response to Skraxx (Reply #33)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 01:47 PM

45. "in any deficit reduction package"

Why do *you* think those words are there?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #45)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 02:37 PM

62. What Package?

"But ultimately, it may be that– the differences are just– too wide. It may be that ideologically, if their position is, “We can’t do any revenue,” or, “We can only do revenue if we gut Medicare or gut Social Security or gut Medicaid,” if that’s the position, then we’re probably not gonna be able to get a deal."

Where's this imaginary, non existent package of which you speak to go along with your imaginary handshake agreeement to cut ss benefits?

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Response to Skraxx (Reply #62)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 08:03 PM

99. I apologize, I think I'm not being clear

"in any deficit reduction package"

Why not get rid of those words, and instead they can vow to vote against any cuts at all? Did they use extra words just for fun?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #99)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 09:38 PM

106. x2

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #99)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 08:29 AM

123. And Where is it, this package?

Manny, there is no package, you realize that right?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #45)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 04:23 PM

78. Maybe to openly cut the alleged ties

between SS and the deficit?

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Response to demwing (Reply #78)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 10:12 PM

107. They could have said:

"in any deficit reduction package as Social Security is legally forbidden from contributing to the debt, or in any other instance"

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Response to ProSense (Reply #13)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 06:57 PM

94. Calling Senator Feinstein! n/t

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Response to ProSense (Reply #13)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 07:32 PM

97. Thanks for posting.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #13)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 10:11 AM

136. That would explain "House Democrats recruiting moderates for ’14 bids"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014424178

Have to regain recent losses in order keep Dems actually aligned with public interests from gaining a voice and power. Same reason Reid decided to maintain the current filibuster rules in spite of much rhetoric to the contrary. Glad to see positive signs everywhere of folks waking up to the conservative Dem agenda. Hopefully this push to increase DLC New Dem presence will fail...and fail BIG.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:24 PM

15. Warren For President 2016

eom

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #15)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:35 PM

17. I can get behind that

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #15)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:59 PM

31. now we're talkin' Warren, 2016

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #15)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 01:38 PM

42. Absolutely. Proud to call her my Senator. nt

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #15)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 10:47 AM

137. She is my choice

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:33 PM

16. Love that woman!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:42 PM

19. Now we know why the Admin didnt bring her

... into a position fighting Wall Street - she's obviously on the side of the common folks & not the Geithner/Rubin/Lew 1% bandwagon ...

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Response to Myrina (Reply #19)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:46 PM

23. The PTB are already ginning up Hillary 2016

The corporate overlords can't afford a President Warren. This will play out should she decide to show an interest in running.

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-03-13/why-big-banks-are-right-to-fear-elizabeth-warren

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #23)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 01:11 PM

34. yep. GO LIZ.

and if you didn't see it, here's a clip of her kicking the ass of some yahoo flunkie from Timmy's Treasury Department for, oh, you know, not seeming to care that much about HSBC's laundering nearly a billion $'s worth of DRUG MONEY.



Yeah, she should run for President. If she survives the money-loaded primary (and she will, if she has OUR HELP), we can have one HELLOFVA fight with the Glen Becks of the world about what the government is SUPPOSED to do.

The next Generation of Political Battles in America isn't going to be about People vs. Government. It's going to be about The People's Government vs. The Corporate State. The first Major Party to figure that out, wins the Brass Ring for about the next 50 years. I hope it's the Dems, but at this point, there's no gurantee of that...

Liz Warren For President.

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Response to Volaris (Reply #34)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 02:42 PM

64. Amen to that V! nt

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Response to Myrina (Reply #19)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:57 PM

30. They also didn't bring in Howard Dean,

 

someone with a track record of helping to elect Democrats throughout all 50 States.

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Response to proverbialwisdom (Reply #43)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 01:51 PM

46. Nice hit piece. As expertly done as any Faux News segment.

 

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #46)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 04:34 PM

80. Isn't it factual? I was a huge Dean supporter once, so let's hear the corrections.

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Response to proverbialwisdom (Reply #80)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 06:02 PM

90. False innuendos are defamatory statements with implied meanings which are not supported by facts.

 

Has Dean done something that is morally, ethically, or legally wrong?

If you think that he has, then use plain words instead of relying upon a link to a hit piece which relies upon false innuendos.

You were "a huge Dean supporter once"? In the same way that you were probably a liberal or progessive once? I don't believe you. No one who looks at the hit piece should believe you.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #90)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 07:21 PM

95. What a lotta hot air. Save it. I see no reason to engage here. Why don't you do some research. nt

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Response to proverbialwisdom (Reply #95)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 09:35 PM

105. You've got nothing.

 

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #30)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 09:27 AM

127. Yes, most of whom lost their seats in 2010 because they decided

that acting like kinder, gentler Republicans was preferable to acting like Democrats.

The 50-state strategy worked great for the first couple years, but it exploded in our faces in 2010 when half the Democratic base stayed home and all these douchenozzle Blue Dogs decided to play hardball on any progressive legislation.

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Response to Arkana (Reply #127)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 09:34 AM

132. For some, there's more money to be made by being Blue Dog Democrat than an FDR Democrat.

 

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Response to Myrina (Reply #19)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 03:10 PM

70. Obama should have nominated her to head up the new Consumer Protection Agency.


Oh, wait ....


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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:50 PM

25. She is correct on that.

The CPI, as it is, is a load of horseshit. The "grocery basket" bears no resemblance to how people actually live.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:53 PM

28. Recommend!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:56 PM

29. K&R

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 01:14 PM

35. I really like that lady. nt

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 01:16 PM

36. Leave it to Ms. Warren to be so classy about the liars...

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 01:16 PM

37. Future Pres. Warren, cutting through the bullshit,

so voters don't have to. You go, girl! Big K&R

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 01:26 PM

38. K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!


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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 01:33 PM

40. i hope to god she avoids small airplanes and helicopters

 

The Owners have a way of putting people back in their place: they make them dead.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 01:35 PM

41. I love Elizabeth Warren

finally a Democrat who cares and will say what matters.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 01:42 PM

44. K&R nt

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 01:53 PM

47. Let's take it one more step, Ms. Warren: "Free Trade" means we don't want to pay for the workers

who will then pay for benefits to seniors, the permanently disabled, and orphans.

It's all of a piece.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 01:53 PM

48. K & R

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 01:55 PM

49. Chained CPI the 3rd Way of saying, as usual, "Not as bad".

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #49)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 02:24 PM

58. or, "fine, vote for Rmoney if you don't like it"

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #58)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 02:27 PM

61. Or, "Suck it up. Where ya gonna go?"

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #61)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 07:39 PM

145. Yep, that's the game.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 02:12 PM

51. Chain, Chain, Chain,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Chain of Fools,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 02:13 PM

52. Nice to hear of one Democrat

that deserves to be called a Democrat. Democrats are supposed to be fighting for working people, not appeasing the wealthy and powerful.

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Response to JEB (Reply #52)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 03:39 PM

73. Most Democrats are ALSO wealthy and powerful. Pelosi is worth what,

tens of millions of $$. I like her, but that is a fact. It would be incredibly dumb to assume that just because she's a liberal that she doesn't also vote on issues in a way that benefits her personally.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 02:15 PM

53. K&R

...also, physically and mentally maimed Veterans from GW's wars.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 02:18 PM

54. Finally! People here are seeing it.


There's no trick to what Obama is doing here, no fancy bait and switch to trap the Republicans. There's no poker bluff. It is exactly what it looks like. He's cutting Social Security-- unnecessarily.

Thank you Manny for trying to get that message across so long and taking all kinds of abuse for it.



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Response to caseymoz (Reply #54)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 05:37 PM

89. What is in Obama's China Portfolio, the one Mitt Romney talked about during the third presidential

debate? I want a President who will look after MY future not only his and his family's.

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Response to DhhD (Reply #89)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 06:53 PM

93. What? Stay relevant to the argument.


Tell me how the Chinese care about cuts in US Social Security, and maybe you have a connection. Otherwise, your post is totally inane.

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Response to caseymoz (Reply #93)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 09:21 PM

102. Thanks for asking: Apparently you missed the fact that Social Security was not mentioned

one time during the three Presidential debates; therefore it was my prediction, and still is, that SS was on the table by BOTH Romney and Obama. I have believed this since November.

It is my prediction that this is on the table of, Fix the Debt and the emerging Pacific trade agreements that are in the swing.

In America, one can make a prediction. You are the one that thinks the Chinese care.

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Response to DhhD (Reply #102)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 11:05 PM

109. But Social Security has almost nothing to do with the debt.


It has its own trust fund. The only way it counts on the debt is the treasury paying back interest from money borrowed. That's not a high proportion of the total debt.

You think that Romney and Obama would have any problem mentioning Social Security in a debate and then selling it out? Not mentioning it doesn't indicate anything, unless they're sending signals to each other that way and you have their decoder ring. I can read tea leaves from China and can come up with a more reliable forecast.

I think the Chinese care? Now I know you're just guessing at everything, and you have confidence in your wild guesses nobody should have.

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Response to caseymoz (Reply #109)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 09:09 AM

124. Exactly that, SS has nothing to do with the national debt, so what has prompted Obama to put it

on the table? What is on the table and under the table? Fix the Debt.com.

SS having nothing to do with the debt; No Wild Guess.

Pete Peterson and Fix the Debt; No Wild Guess.

The Chinese buying up oil leases and many other companies in America; No wild guess.

I noticed that in each of your responses you are getting closer and closer. Keep responding. No wild guess.

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Response to DhhD (Reply #124)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 09:37 AM

133. What would prompt

 

a President from the Chicago school of politics to put Social Security on the table?

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #133)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 10:56 AM

138. Privatizations between business and government. Control by business is weaving in to our lives.

We are reliving over and over again (second Ryan Budget), how corporate replaces government in the institutions of the American Dream.

I believe the deal will be to solidify the borrowed money from SS to be paid back by way of Wall Street control. I believe the deal is for the private financial market to get partial fees and partial control over SS (the part borrowed). I hope I am wrong, I hope that Obama will protect the social safety nets, but can he?

As an example: The US Department of Education is promoting educational privatization. Jeb Bush spoke to the Texas Legislature a few weeks ago about privatized educational curriculum programs. During the Presidential Debates, Romney mentioned IDEA. There are billions and billions of dollars in this Education Act that is reauthorized each Spring. Privatizers/Profiteers want this money out of this Act and into the General Funds of the US Department of Education for use by general education activities. Why is privatization being allowed? About 20 years ago, the Bush privatization program was a complete failure in Texas. It used IDEAct funding.

How long will it be before there is no need for government Of the People and By the People anymore, as the corporate heads will run this country For the People? Hopefully, Obama will stop this trend so Government can protect the People in need.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 02:19 PM

56. Good. Now let's see her join Bernie's filibuster.

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 02:25 PM

59. I'm sorry.

What are all the reasons she can't be president again? Like she could do any worse than what we've had in the last 30 years.

One more time, thank you people of Massachusetts for Senator Warren.

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #59)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 03:19 PM

72. Practically everyone agrees she could never be President.

Well, everyone who owns a big media outlet, that is.

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Response to Marr (Reply #72)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 04:37 PM

82. As long as people agree

 

with her on the issues, she can win the Presidency. Obama won because of the issues both times. He needs to not flipflop and stick to the issues that got him elected. I still don't like the idea of placing blame on one person in the Democratic Party as if he was a king or something. If Social Security or Medicare was cut, it would be the fault of most in the Democratic party for going alone. It is up to them to keep their President straight. I think the man wants to do the right thing but sometimes he has to be communicated to and sometimes aggressively. I think most voters realize the Republican Party is a problem by now and they will feel short term pain because of it, but the longterm would be for the better. And looks like the only solution is a War of attrition to get rid of the Republican Party. The Republican constituents are in the same predicament. They need to be convinced the majority of the population is correct. The current Republican leadership has been bad for this country in Foreign and Domestic Policy. Their interests are with the rest of America and not with a small group of people at the top such as the Koch brothers. The only thing they care about is greed.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 02:27 PM

60. She's so polite! I woulda said, "'Chained CPI' is just a fancy way to say..."

"...don't bother with the lube when you're shoving that pineapple up the 99%'s butts."

respectfully,
Bright

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 02:40 PM

63. Now in 2014, we need to replace all those DINOs and tea baggers with more of her

and Bernie Sanders. We need to get Dennis Kucinich back in Congress too. Maybe he could run for Senator in Ohio.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 02:44 PM

66. ...

k/r

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 04:01 PM

75. I Love Elizabeth Warren!

I hope she runs for President in 2016!!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 04:11 PM

76. ...1

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 04:14 PM

77. Can she head the DNC too please?

 

tell me she has a twin.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 04:26 PM

79. I believe that the best solution

is more revenue. A transaction would get us out of the hole post haste. Also go after off shore money. there is no reason that the 1% should be able to control as much money as they have accumulated.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 04:35 PM

81. K&R nt

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 05:25 PM

88. Love her!

K&R

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 06:05 PM

91. Are there any Democrats here who knew they were voting for a "grand bargain" with the GOP.

 

Is this why anyone here voted for Obama? What a bait and switch.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 09:15 PM

101. K&R n/t

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 09:26 PM

103. Indeed, describe it as a cut not this silly jargon

chained CPIs, fiscal cliff, sequesters and shock and awe! Yikes!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 10:20 PM

108. OK, time for some honesty.

Chained CPI was a Dem idea to reduce costs, as a serious proposal and something that would actually "work" to save costs.

Repugs don't like it, because it undermines their argument that SS "can't be fixed".

Bottom line, the Repugs don't want SS to work, for multiple reasons. The most recognizable reason is that Large Companies would LOVE to have all that money that we invest in SS invested instead into Wall Street - where there is no guarantee.

We are talking a LOT of money! And those companies would love to be able to spend YOUR money on their Las Vegas bets. And basically that is what we are talking about - they want to use YOUR money that YOU want to save toward your retirement to make Las Vegas - style bets.

well, I'm an old cantankerous fuck. I paid my money into SS expecting to get my fair share out of it. I hope to retire in the next 10 years.

WTF happened to all those dollars I already paid?

Paul Ryan, WTF?

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Response to jazzimov (Reply #108)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 11:32 AM

139. You're right, jazzimov...

it's either keep SS and the chained cpi , or no SS at all which would be the Repugs' wet dream.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 01:41 AM

113. "‘Chained CPI’ is just a fancy way to say..." STARVE GRANNY TO PAY FOR WAR & THE HOARDING CLASS!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 01:43 AM

114. I like how you describe her as a FDR democrat

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 02:23 AM

115. Proud to give rec #300.

And a kick too.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 05:24 AM

116. K&R and here is your best candidate for the next President of US. With Grayson as VP.

Maybe it's time to start campaigning.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 06:51 AM

118. First, they reduced

FICA taxes and nothing happened to SS, nor were any benefits cut. Then they raise the tax again and start pontificating about the need to reduce SS benefits with no talk of reduction in the tax that funds them. So, where would that money go?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 06:55 AM

119. She is the greatest!

I said it before, I'll say it again:

Elizabeth Warren for President!!!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 07:27 AM

120. 300 million against 535!

Odds are in favor of the 99%...

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 07:52 AM

121. That's my Senator!...

Hopefully soon we'll be sending Ed Markey to keep her compnay

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 08:14 AM

122. Biden:"Number one, I flat guarantee there will be no changes to Soc Sec" (Aug 14th, 2012)

The Nation heard Joe say it and believed him. Millions of uneasy Democrats were reassured by Joe after Obama told Romney in Debate 1 that he probably was "close" with Romney on Soc Sec. Somebody better remind Joe to keep his word..
And get him to sign that Senate petition to prove he's a man of his word. His vote might be the tie breaker against the Chained CPI Swindle.

Warren for President 2016.

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Response to stuffmatters (Reply #122)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 09:44 AM

135. Get him, the former Delaware Senator who represented the banks and voted to eliminate the ability

 

to discharge student loans in bankruptcy, to sign a Senate petition?

Isn't the purpose for the Chained CPI Swindle to move in the direction of making younger workers unhappy with the SS system so that they will be less unhappy when SS, or part of it, is privatized? If so, this is for the benefit of the banks.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #135)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 12:08 PM

140. THANK YOU. Biden's pro-banks record is abolutely disgusting.

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 09:19 AM

125. Warren for President 2016. nt

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 09:25 AM

126. I can't believe anyone thought she was going to be a sellout if elected.

I am immensely proud of her and the job she's doing.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 09:31 AM

129. And we have our newest candidate for bus marks.

I don't live there, but she got contributions from me that didn't go to the DLC.

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Response to Jakes Progress (Reply #129)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 09:38 AM

134. She will not go gently under that good bus.

She seems to be decent, smart, *and* a streetfighter.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #134)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 12:29 PM

142. She will make the ride bumpy

for the bus riders.

She had to learn the street fighting. I don't think it came naturally, but she sees the need and so set about developing the skills. Unlike other Democrats (cough-potus-cough) who don't seem to learn on the job.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 09:33 AM

130. K&R n/t

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 12:17 PM

141. Go Sen. Warren! I just hope she feels the same way when it comes time to vote.

They have ways of arm-twisting first term politicians.

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