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Sun Mar 10, 2013, 01:31 PM

Fourth Circle of Hell

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Reply Fourth Circle of Hell (Original post)
BainsBane Mar 2013 OP
kairos12 Mar 2013 #1
BainsBane Mar 2013 #2
talkingmime Mar 2013 #3
BainsBane Mar 2013 #6
talkingmime Mar 2013 #10
BainsBane Mar 2013 #11
Mnemosyne Mar 2013 #4
BarackTheVote Mar 2013 #5
BainsBane Mar 2013 #7
ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #8
BainsBane Mar 2013 #9

Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 01:54 PM

1. Dante would agree

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Response to kairos12 (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 04:48 PM

2. I tried to keep it accurate

As much as I wanted to put them in the 9th circle, it didn't quite fit.

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 06:27 PM

3. Back in high school when cylons were still obviously robots, I had a few 4th circle classes.

 

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Response to talkingmime (Reply #3)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 10:20 PM

6. What does that mean?

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #6)

Tue Mar 12, 2013, 05:13 PM

10. "4th circle" (reference to Hell) - and class means exactly that.

 

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Response to talkingmime (Reply #10)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 08:39 AM

11. I don't know why I had trouble

understanding that the first time. Brain freeze, I guess.

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 08:38 PM

4. K&R nt

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 08:45 PM

5. I figured they'd be somewhere in the Malbolge

Yeah, they're greedy, but also treacherous.

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Response to BarackTheVote (Reply #5)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 10:46 PM

7. I read it as betraying someone close to you

But I definitely think they deserve lower than four. My own version of hell would differ from Dante's. Pedophiles deserve a special ring all to themselves.

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 10:50 PM

8. LOL

Had to look it up though, I never remember.

Avarice--greed, lust for material gain--is one of the iniquities that most incurs Dante's scornful wrath. Consistent with the biblical saying that avarice is "the root of all evils" (1 Timothy 6:10), medieval Christian thought viewed the sin as most offensive to the spirit of love; Dante goes even further in blaming avarice for ethical and political corruption in his society. Ciacco identifies avarice--along with pride and envy--as one of the primary vices enflaming Florentine hearts (Inf. 6.74-5), and the poet consistently condemns greed and its effects throughout the Divine Comedy. Dante accordingly shows no mercy--unlike his attitude toward Francesca (lust) and Ciacco (gluttony)--in his selection of avarice as the capital sin punished in the fourth circle of hell (Inferno 7). He viciously presents the sin as a common vice of monks and church leaders (including cardinals and popes), and he further degrades the sinners by making them so physically squalid that they are unrecognizable to the travelers (Inf. 7.49-54). By defining the sin as "spending without measure" (7.42), Dante for the first time applies the classical principle of moderation (or the "golden mean") to criticize excessive desire for a neutral object in both one direction ("closed fists": avarice) and the other (spending too freely: prodigality). Fittingly, these two groups punish and insult one another in the afterlife.


http://danteworlds.laits.utexas.edu/circle4.html

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #8)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 11:36 PM

9. Monastaries and convents acted as bankers

during Dante's era. So the parallel is apt.

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