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Fri Mar 8, 2013, 09:13 AM

2014 2014 2014 2014 2014 2014 2014 2014 2014 2014

I see so many threads about who is or isn't or should or shouldn't run for president in 2016.

The fuck I give about who's running for president in 2016 is so small, it cannot be measured by any means known to science. The fuck I give is so small, it only exists in theory, like a quark or a superstring.

2014, people. Get your heads in the game.

90% of the reason shit is so fucked up right now is because everyone - well-meaning people, too - get all "Ermahgerd, presidential race!" and completely forget that almost all the government we have to deal with gets elected during the midterms...and 30% turnout (with 80% of that coming from far-righties who ALWAYS VOTE) = the current miserable situation in the House of Representatives = the current miserable state of the nation.

Fuck 2016. It'll come when it comes.

In the meantime, all politics is local, and happening next year.

Heads in the game, folks.

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WilliamPitt Mar 2013 OP
OldDem2012 Mar 2013 #1
bigtree Mar 2013 #2
onehandle Mar 2013 #3
Life Long Dem Mar 2013 #105
Ninga Mar 2013 #4
99Forever Mar 2013 #5
nevergiveup Mar 2013 #6
99Forever Mar 2013 #7
Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2013 #10
99Forever Mar 2013 #12
Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2013 #15
99Forever Mar 2013 #32
Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2013 #16
Arkana Mar 2013 #51
99Forever Mar 2013 #66
Arkana Mar 2013 #77
xtraxritical Mar 2013 #86
Dryvinwhileblind Mar 2013 #104
xtraxritical Mar 2013 #116
Cha Mar 2013 #123
99Forever Mar 2013 #89
Cha Mar 2013 #122
tavalon Mar 2013 #130
99Forever Mar 2013 #132
joshcryer Mar 2013 #133
99Forever Mar 2013 #135
joshcryer Mar 2013 #138
99Forever Mar 2013 #139
joshcryer Mar 2013 #140
99Forever Mar 2013 #141
joshcryer Mar 2013 #142
99Forever Mar 2013 #143
joshcryer Mar 2013 #145
99Forever Mar 2013 #146
joshcryer Mar 2013 #148
99Forever Mar 2013 #144
joshcryer Mar 2013 #149
99Forever Mar 2013 #150
joshcryer Mar 2013 #151
99Forever Mar 2013 #154
joshcryer Mar 2013 #155
99Forever Mar 2013 #159
joshcryer Mar 2013 #160
riverwalker Mar 2013 #8
we can do it Mar 2013 #9
Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2013 #11
trumad Mar 2013 #13
WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #14
davidthegnome Mar 2013 #17
caseymoz Mar 2013 #18
Roy Rolling Mar 2013 #19
WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #21
AlbertCat Mar 2013 #49
antigop Mar 2013 #20
valerief Mar 2013 #22
davidn3600 Mar 2013 #23
WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #27
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MrSlayer Mar 2013 #112
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joshcryer Mar 2013 #134
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bluedigger Mar 2013 #24
Honest_Abe Mar 2013 #59
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WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #35
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WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #46
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Cha Mar 2013 #127
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Historic NY Mar 2013 #87
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patrice Mar 2013 #90
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tabbycat31 Mar 2013 #93
WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #94
Cha Mar 2013 #128
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philly_bob Mar 2013 #98
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Blanks Mar 2013 #110
Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2013 #111
Martin Eden Mar 2013 #113
daybranch Mar 2013 #114
Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #117
indivisibleman Mar 2013 #115
eridani Mar 2013 #119
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tavalon Mar 2013 #129
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Hoops59 Mar 2013 #153
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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 09:16 AM

1. Bingo. Dead on. nt.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 09:20 AM

2. Senate, Senate

etc.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 09:31 AM

3. What does this have to do with 2016?

But now that you've brought it up, let's talk about 2016.

I say give President Jimmy Carter a well-deserved second term.

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Response to onehandle (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 06:21 PM

105. It has to do with 2014 coming before 2016.

 

It's a math thing.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 09:51 AM

4. Hear, hear! I strongly believe that SWOT assessment conducted in the political

environment of TODAY, focused only on 2014 is critical..and in some races, may already be too late.

To live too far in the future, or measure today against the past, is to be tone deaf of the actual, and real time political environment of today.



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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 10:00 AM

5. Welllllll...

... perhaps in those we put in office during Presidential election years would actually follow thru with the promises they made, there might be stronger support and turn out for them in the mid-terms, eh Mr Pitt?

I know, I know...

... what a totally wacko concept. We all know it 's those gawdamn dirty hippy liberals fault when the totally awesome Dems get their ass handed to them, it couldn't possibly have anything to do with what THEY do or don't do when they take office.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 10:15 AM

6. yeah, stay home in 2014....

that'll show'em.

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Response to nevergiveup (Reply #6)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 10:32 AM

7. Uh huh...

... that's exactly what I said.... uh huh... uh huh... uh huh....


Some people NEVER learn.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #7)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 10:51 AM

10. Boycotting voting is a really dumb idea.

If you want to vote against Democratic Party nominees, just say say and do so. Not voting is as good as a vote for the Republicans because they tend to be more committed voters, especially in mid-terms.

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #10)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 10:53 AM

12. Assume much?

Or do you always make it a practice to just make shit up to spew?

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #12)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:02 AM

15. I assume you plan to not vote in 2014 (from your post), and I know that helps the Republicans.

I assume you plan to not vote in 2014 (from your post), and I know that helps the Republicans.

If you do plan to vote in 2014 (contrary to your post), then I make no assumption about your vote. You might vote Democratic or you might vote Republican.

You can clarify this all, and you can do it without the personal attack.

The idea (not you, but the idea) of boycotting voting is really dumb. But you don't address the idea in preference to making things personal. Get back to a discussion of ideas and leave the personal shit out. It's the DU way.

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #15)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:26 AM

32. And you would be dead fucking wrong,wrong, wrong.

I haven't missed a vote in 42 years. The issue is WHY other Liberals and Progressives stay home in the mid-terms. I spoke to the issue. You liking what I have to say about it, means jack squat to me. YOU made it personal, not I, so whine away if you must. I'm done with your distraction.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #12)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:04 AM

16. And leave off the "have you stopped beating your wife" type of questions.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 12:03 PM

51. So you're not going to vote for elected representatives because Obama did something you didn't like?

Jesus Christ, REALLY?

You know why people engage in hippie-punching? Because they make it so goddamn easy.

You're on your high horse all day every day, screaming about purity and how the President has betrayed us because he hasn't legalized weed/eats burgers instead of tofu/talks to his political enemies. You scream and moan about the smallest parts of the liberal agenda while ignoring the fact that if we don't get the bigger pieces, NOTHING ELSE WILL FUCKING MATTER.

I'm not disputing your right to be angry with Obama or any amount of elected Democrats or liberals or who the fuck else. He's done some things to piss me off too--hell, government transparency was one of the big reasons I voted for him, and he's let me down big time on that front. But in our first-past-the-post political system, I look at the two major parties and I see one group trying to govern and the other trying to burn everything down and piss on the ashes. What choice do you think I make?

Yes, that's right. I protest, I wave signs, I criticize--BUT I VOTE.

And do you know why? Because if you don't fucking vote, YOU DON'T GET TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO REPRESENT YOU.

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Response to Arkana (Reply #51)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 01:01 PM

66. Learn to read for comprehension and get back to me.

In the meantime, have a blast kicking that strawman's ass.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #66)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 02:12 PM

77. Reading comprehension, eh?

"... perhaps in those we put in office during Presidential election years would actually follow thru with the promises they made, there might be stronger support and turn out for them in the mid-terms, eh Mr Pitt?"

To any sane person this would infer that "real" liberals just won't vote in off-year elections because the President didn't do something they wanted him to do. It's not a strawman, it's a logical conclusion. Whether it was your intent or not is irrelevant--you failed to make that clear.

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Response to Arkana (Reply #77)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 03:16 PM

86. You're dense arn't you?

 

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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #86)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 05:43 PM

104. ^^^^^^^^BOOM^^^^^^^^

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Response to Dryvinwhileblind (Reply #104)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 10:43 PM

116. Yo

 

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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #86)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 01:27 AM

123. I'm thinking you're dense for asking Arkana that very question. n/m

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Response to Arkana (Reply #77)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 03:32 PM

89. The choices are to face the truth or pretend...

... it's something else. My life experience tells me that if you want to fix something, first you have to honestly assess what the problem is. This is the exact same crap that went on in the lead up to the '08 debacle. If this doesn't fit Einstein's definition of insanity, nothing does.

Proceed.

Go ahead and "infer" any fucking thing you care to.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #5)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 01:23 AM

122. yeah, it worked so well in 2010. Too bad.. we've got big plans

to get out the vote in 2014 and those who want to stay home and sit on their thumbs again ..feeling all self satified have no room to whine about anything.

But, of course, they will.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #5)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 01:55 AM

130. One has little to do with the other, actually

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Response to tavalon (Reply #130)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 08:51 AM

132. You honestly believe what...

... politicians do once in office has "little to do" with how many people support and vote for them in subsequent elections? Really? How'd that philosophy work out in 2010?

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #5)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 09:08 AM

133. The President isn't a dictator.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #133)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 09:12 AM

135. Did anyone say he was?

Another ridiculous excuse for not even trying and making false promises during campaigning.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #135)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 09:20 AM

138. He's followed through with every promise in his power.

He made promises during election time which required Congress. Are those false promises? Probably. But that's politics for you. I've never heard of a President refusing to make promises that require Congress to act. Their portfolio of "things they want to get done" would be slim to none.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #138)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 09:29 AM

139. You have your opinion and other people don't agree with you.

If you think you can browbeat people into buying what they know isn't true, you sir, are in for a rude awakening. Clearly, that mindset worked so very well in 2010, didn't it, joshcryer.

Like it or not, people, especially REAL liberals, aren't nearly as gullible as Corpodems might like believe. But go right ahead and try that authoritarian and listing of "reasons nothing can be done for us ungrateful peons" nonsense on us again and wait for the results.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #139)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 09:39 AM

140. Cite me some examples where I'm wrong.

I'll refute each case because the legislative history of the congresses is easy enough to look at.

I am only stating facts. If I am ignorant of some area where Obama could have acted on a promise but chose not to, I would be fully willing to listen.

Note: Obama promised to stay in Iraq until troop draw down and to increase troops in Afghanistan. Yes, that was a campaign promise. Which he kept.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #140)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 09:44 AM

141. Been done to death.

Not going down the rabbit hole. Been there, done that. Complete waste of time and energy. There is no changing a closed mind.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #141)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 09:49 AM

142. Once simple citation is all that's needed.

You don't provide one because you can't. And I challenge you thusly because I am extremely confident you can't. Yes, we've been down this road, and yes many people put too much onus on the President to get stuff done. He's not a dictator. And people still don't understand that.

By 2016 we may have the best progressive ever running for President. A new FDR. If said person doesn't have the Congress every promise (outside of military usage) they make will be bunk. The President's power is militarily unlimited, everywhere else the President is effectively powerless. We don't have decree powers for Presidents.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #142)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 09:57 AM

143. Alrighty then...

... didn't really want to go there, but since you are being insulting about it, here ya go smartguy, just for starters:

http://www.businessinsider.com/9-campaign-promises-that-obama-has-broken-2012-3?op=1

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #143)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 10:46 AM

145. Nice, you prove my point pretty well.

Super PACs are the only thing on that link that Obama could've arguably failed of his 2008 campaign promise. But I don't seem to recall Super PACs being part of his 2012 promises. New election, new strategy.

Closing Gitmo? Congress. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/29/harry-reid-guantanamo_n_2576274.html

Bush Tax Cuts? Congress. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_fiscal_cliff

Cap and trade? Congress. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126280761

Excise tax on tobacco? OK, that was Obama, but that's a right wing talking point. Written by none other than John Kartch from FOX News and supported equally by Democrats and Republicans. It depends on how you look at it whether it was a "tax hike." Quit smoking, no tax hike.

Quiet on DOMA? Yeah, OK. http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/02/23/172767887/obama-administration-urges-supreme-court-to-rethink-doma

Endorses the goal of sending men to the moon = actually saying he was going to do it?

What the hell is up with this source?

Healthy Families Act? Congress. http://thinkprogress.org/tag/healthy-families-act/

Immigration reform? Stalled in congress (Obama gets slighted for not magically "getting to it" in the first year?): http://www.schumer.senate.gov/new_website/record.cfm?id=314990

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #145)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 11:00 AM

146. You asked. I answered.

Now you use the usual blue link excuses. Exactly as it always is.

What you just can't seem to get thru your skull, is that you can play this silly "my team is perfect, their team is evil" game till your fingers bleed, and people are STILL going to vote and support or not vote and not support based on the perception they have seen with their own eyes of who ACTUALLY FIGHTS FOR WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO THEM and who, once in office, does not. If that simple, basic FACT of reality doesn't sink in to you, then there is nothing that will. Believe whatever the fuck you please, but don't come whining to me when "The Blue Team" gets handed it's ass in 2014 by "The Red Team."

Wearing blinders only gets one blind-sided, as such, I'll pass on further conversation with you. Have a nice weekend.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #146)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 11:42 AM

148. "Blue link excuses." No. Facts.

Use your canned talking points and deflection, you proved little.

And used a right wing talking point to boot, quoting a FOX News reporter.

Funny that.

It's all on Congress, I know you don't like to accept it, but that's just how it is. It's convenient that you can blame the President for everything, but it's silly at best.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #142)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 10:38 AM

144. What?

No more snarky retorts after having your insulting nonsense shown for what it is?

I said it before and I'll say it again, some people NEVER learn.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #144)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 11:43 AM

149. I have other things to do.

To expect a "snarky retort" is rich coming from someone who says something as preposterous as "blue link excuses" to deflect from the fact that the vast majority of those links were to actions stalled or blocked or otherwise manipulated by Congress, and at least one link is to a right wing FOX News commentator.

Nope, I just posted you the facts, sorry that the facts and your reality are so opposed to one another.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #149)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 12:17 PM

150. Thanks, for once again...

... proving to me, beyond any doubt, that trying to have a conversation with someone who has a closed mind, is an exercise in futility. Happy trails, buddy.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #150)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 12:27 PM

151. When someone posts a FOX News reporter...

...I tend to not take them credibly much anyway.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #151)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 12:38 PM

154. I care ...

... fuckall what your opinion is of me. You asked the question, in fact, you insulted me for not wanting to go there, so I answered. Now you are all butthurt and defensive when proved to be full of shit. So, run along and try your baiting horseshit with someone who cares what you think.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #154)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 05:24 PM

155. I proved to be completely accurate.

And you couldn't refute what I said without blustering about "blue links." How the fuck else am I to rebuff your banalities?

The reason you were hesitant to attempt to rebuff me is that you know from past experience that this is a dud of an argument. Indeed, you had to resort to right wing sources to prove your pitiful point (as is usually the case with delusional Obama detractors).

The President isn't a dictator and most of the power outside of military power falls to the Congress. Bully pulpit or not that's the reality. Thanks to the gerrymandering by the Republicans we probably won't get power back until 2022 if then.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #155)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 06:10 PM

159. You "proved" you aren't..

... capable of having an honest conversation. Good bye, you're gone, forever.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #159)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 07:33 PM

160. Thanks for the favor.

Anyone can read the discussion and see it is me who was correct. Your thin skin doesn't change that.

Another dishonest poster I don't have the joy of having to repeatedly rebut.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 10:37 AM

8. amen n/t

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 10:48 AM

9. Thank you

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 10:52 AM

11. 2014 is a chance to turn over the House to Democratic & reinforce the "GOP out of touch" message. nt

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 10:55 AM

13. = 201,400

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Response to trumad (Reply #13)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:02 AM

14. LOL

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:08 AM

17. Oh I'll be there

I'm just not terribly excited about it. Campaign finance reform is absolutely necessary if we are going to see real progressive change - and with the supreme court firmly on the side of greed and stupidity, I can't really see much reason to be hopeful. I'll keep voting for democrats, because they remain, to an extent, the lesser of two evils. I'm just rather cynical about it. I'd love the opportunity to vote for people who aren't rich jerks, who don't have millions of dollars, who aren't more likely to serve corporate America than real America.

I know, keep dreaming...

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:10 AM

18. Thanks. K&R

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:11 AM

19. obsession

Of course the election is important, but obsessing over elections to the point of diminishing the importance of good governance is the problem. Elections only deal with the symptoms, Governing so that problems are effectively solved makes an election that much easier to win.

Simply focusing on elections is the game Republicans want everyone to play----so that good government becomes lost in the background noise. If Democrats want to win elections, they should focus on programs that effectively govern.

And, of course, there will always be Republican opposition. How to overcome stall tactics is a sign of an effective leader.

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Response to Roy Rolling (Reply #19)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:14 AM

21. "...they should focus on programs that effectively govern..."

...but they can't govern if they don't win elections.

I can walk and chew gum at the same time.

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Response to Roy Rolling (Reply #19)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 12:01 PM

49. Voting is only dealing with symptoms????



I thought it was dealing with good & bad legislatures.... that make law. Congress (as in both houses) MAKE LAWS.... not the Prez.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:13 AM

20. Good luck with that...the "inevitability" meme is alive and well on DU. nt

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:14 AM

22. What you said!!! It's Congress that's killing us. nt

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:17 AM

23. Other than a watered-down healthcare bill, what did the Democrats do from 2008 to 2010?

Practically nothing. Wall Street was bailed out. No investigations of the Bush administration. No investigations of the big banks for the mortgage mess.

Like the old saying goes...the more things change the more they stay the same. Even if the Democrats find a way to take the House in 2014, I'm not expecting much to be done. When the Democrats finally get control, a number of the moderates become scared and start voting with the GOP.

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #23)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:20 AM

27. You're right. I give up.

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #23)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:26 AM

31. They did a lot

LETS SEE


Ended DADT Heath care for 9/11 workers, Expanded AmericaCore, Lily Ledbetter Act, A nuclear arms treaty with Russia. Just to name a few things.

And on the subject of a "watered down health care bill."

I have had five operations in the past two years. I have healthcare because I was able to stay on my parents plan. So to millions of others.

To say nothing got done is just plan wrong.

Dems ran for the hills in 2010 because we didn't have their backs.

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #23)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 08:27 PM

112. They aren't scared, they're bought off.

 

That's why nothing ever gets done. You can bet your ass that if the GOP had 60 senate votes and a majority in the House it would be All John Birch all the time.

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #23)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:04 PM

118. I carefully payed the closest undivided attention to FOX NEWS and I have to conclude that:

This world, she is indeed round... but not round like a basketball NO!!1! I now know that this good Earth is round like a Dominoes Pizza!

(A view not subscribed to here in the Democratic Underground! I know... weird huh?)

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #23)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 01:36 AM

124. There's this little thing called Google..

Updated and Expanded List of 212 Obama Accomplishments, With Citations

http://pleasecutthecrap.typepad.com/main/what-has-obama-done-since-january-20-2009.html

Oh, and we just got the VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN ACT!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2474516

And, two great Supreme Court Judges!

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #23)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 09:10 AM

134. They didn't have a majority, for one.

Al Franken wasn't seated and Ted Kennedy died.

There was only a period of 49 days where we had a filibuster proof Senate.

Most of which that time Ted Kennedy was on his death bed.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #134)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 11:17 AM

147. Awwwww!

Why did you have to go and ruin a perfectly good talking point with the facts?

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:18 AM

24. Focus on the present, plan for the future.

My head is in the game, and it's a long game. The winners and losers of 2014 will determine the outcome of 2016.

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Response to bluedigger (Reply #24)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 12:09 PM

59. This!

The Republicans have spent 30 years moving this country farther and farther to the right. It will take years of concerted, constant effort to get it moving straight again.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:18 AM

25. Query

What, specifically, is the unit of measure for fuck?

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:19 AM

26. THANK YOU!

I marvel that there are DUers who actually seem to think the only election that matters is for the WH.

We are so screwed in so many states! DUers, get up and get busy with 2014!!

Julie

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:21 AM

28. I have said this in the past

And good luck you getting the point across.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:24 AM

29. Thanks for iterating that important point. nt

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:28 AM

33. Even better

It's two years until 2014.

I don't want to have to wait for ANYTHING because we might 'lose the house' or 'senate' in 2014.

That's the problem here - we are so caught up in elections that we forget the activism and PARTICIPATION in the government we currently have.

The constant 'electioneering' is destroying our political process in America.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #33)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:32 AM

35. ...says the DUer who has one of the best electioneers in history as their avatar.



Can't govern if you don't win.

Walk + chew gum.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #35)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:54 AM

40. Who is zat guy he has as avatar?

And I've asked you before, who is the guy you have as yours? Several people have him and the only thing he brings to mind is the actor who lost Doris Day to another actor in an an old movie..?

And somehow, you don't fit in the Doris Day fan category...

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Response to fadedrose (Reply #40)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:59 AM

46. The only place I know him from

is from this internet meme:



...which is always helpful when conversations get...well...dumb.

Our friend above has FDR has his avatar (in case you were really asking).

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #46)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 12:05 PM

55. I thought it was FDR because of the top hat

Only worn by Kennedy at his inauguration as the only other person I've seen wear one (who didn't live in England).

But it is not a good picture of FDR, who I loved as a little kid, and appreciate him more and more as I grew older.

Yours sort of reminds me of Jack Carson, who was in a lot of Doris Day-type movies, which I loved and never missed one. It's not him, but there's a resemblance.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #46)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 12:08 PM

58. I'm a woman

A 40 year old black woman - recently married for the first time in April.


You know - as good as my life is - I'm a big concerned about ohhhh - silly little things - like not getting sent to the back of the bus and having to go on a blind date with Jim Crow even though I'm married.

I worry about my mother falling into the health care donut hole in a few years.

I worry that my nephews will go on vacay to Florida and get their heads blown off.

I worry about a lot things - and if others would stop worrying about 2014 or 2016 we might be able to get at least the shit that IMPACTS black folks wrapped up WHILE we have a black President.

I've seen a few posts about Bill Clinton's approach on DOMA. And I agree with him. And he should be ashamed of himself for his approach in the 1990's. But I would hate to have to NOT do something to SECURE my civil rights and liberties because if we make sure black women can still vote in 2016 it might mean that we don't get to have Hillary for President. WilliamPitt - I love what you right and I know you are teasing . . .


But that man in my avatar made things just a little bit better for people in America - wouldn't you agree?
As did LBJ?

And Obama could make sure those things just get BETTER instead of going away if we could keep our eyes on an attainable prize.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #58)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 12:12 PM

61. Not "yes," but HELL YES...

To mimic Boener, and answer your question -

"But that man in my avatar made things just a little bit better for people in America - wouldn't you agree? " -

But I disagree in one thing. It wasn't just a "little bit."

He's the best case for cloning I've ever seen.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #35)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 12:03 PM

54. Yeah!

But he did stuff when he wasn't 'running'. He just did it. Even though it put a huge bullseye on his back - he did stuff.

And you know what?

America did stuff. They knew the economy was bad and they - the people in America got up and said - let's change this shit and worry about 1936, and 1940, and 1944 later.

We did really REALLY big stuff.


Maybe the real end of America is just playing politics - and never getting another big thing done? Terribly sad if that's the case.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #35)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 02:31 PM

82. Maybe you should read your OP again before talking about 'walking and chewing gum'. n/t

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #33)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:57 AM

45. We do need both! Participation AND campaigning!

without one or the other, we weaken ourselves, and strengthen the forces of evil (conservatism).

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:29 AM

34. Now there's something I can heartily DU Rec.

2014 is the issue right now. We can take control of the House and increase our majority in the Senate in 2014, if we're willing to do the hard work needed.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:40 AM

36. Quarks can be proven to exist.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:40 AM

37. Don't just vote in 2014 - contribute to your local candidate or DFA

DFA helps dems in smaller races that count big. My district was gerrymandered and we got screwed with Candice Miller. We used to have David Bonior, who was also House Leader, and he did a good job.

Even if you can just contribute less than $20, do it.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:47 AM

38. thank you

that is what I often say or think.

However, since GD is a national board, it is sorta hard to have a national discussion about some Congressional candidate or other, except for Grayson or Kucinich. Right now, those of us who live in districts with incumbent Republicans do not even know who our candidates will be, or sometimes if we will even have candidates. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002798703

Last time, we had no candidates in the 1st and the 3rd. This time I will run in one of those races if nobody else does. Like any other candidate, I would get slaughtered in the Big Red One, but at least there will be a candidate.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:50 AM

39. Recommended a zillion times

Seventy zillion zillion.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:54 AM

41. K & R +2014!!!!

2014.
2014.
2014.
(Breathe.)
2014.
2014.
2014.
(Breathe.)
2014.
2014.
2014.
(Breathe.)
2014.
2014.
2014.
(Breathe.)
.........lather, rinse, repeat.

This is all that matters right now, people. If we don't work our asses off to get the House back, we are shooting ourselves in multiple appendages, and it's going to hurt. Sitting back (or sitting out) is absolutely insane.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:55 AM

42. 2014

 

is it at all possible to express your opinions without using bathroom language ? The English
language is so rich , the f and s words are getting a bit boring and overworked .

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Response to kardonb (Reply #42)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 12:00 PM

47. No.

But thanks.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:56 AM

43. yes 2014. we busted our butts to bring Dems and sanity to the Co. statehouse in 2012.

it will take more work to keep us blue. Thats the prize get the state legislatures out of GOP hands and turn the House back to a Democratic majority. We can do this. We must vote. Get off your high horses and get to work.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:57 AM

44. True 'nuff. ^^^

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 12:01 PM

48. The first thing I thought of was "scratched record". I've fixed vinyl with a sewing needle.

 

You can take out the scratches if you're careful and end up with a small "pop" every 20 seconds.

But yes, you are correct. The midterm elections determine who is in control and Democrats don't turn out in sufficient numbers. I'll be there.

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