Fri Mar 8, 2013, 06:58 AM
liberal N proud (43,679 posts)
Iconic - Beautiful Post Offices going on the auction block
Many buildings currently owned by the Postal Service are for sale, or are being considered for sale. Preservation groups say some of the buildings are architecturally significant and that their design elements and historic features should be protected.
BERKELEY, CALIF.
BRONX
PRINCETON, N.J.
WEST CHESTER, PA. More here: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/03/07/arts/design/postal-service-looks-to-sell-historic-buildings.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130308&_r=0 This is what the right wing attempt to privatize our postal system is doing. These are historic structures and have been a significant fixture in these communities.
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| liberal N proud | Mar 8 | OP | |
| lonestarnot | Mar 8 | #1 | |
| bluestate10 | Mar 8 | #2 | |
| talkingmime | Mar 8 | #3 | |
| Brother Buzz | Mar 8 | #9 | |
| talkingmime | Mar 8 | #10 | |
| HiPointDem | Mar 8 | #17 | |
| Brother Buzz | Mar 8 | #19 | |
| HiPointDem | Mar 8 | #20 | |
| pipi_k | Mar 8 | #4 | |
| SQUEE | Mar 8 | #5 | |
| malaise | Mar 8 | #6 | |
| Comrade_McKenzie | Mar 8 | #7 | |
| brentspeak | Mar 8 | #8 | |
| Brother Buzz | Mar 8 | #11 | |
| Ikonoklast | Mar 8 | #12 | |
| brentspeak | Mar 8 | #15 | |
| liberal N proud | Mar 8 | #13 | |
| Initech | Mar 8 | #14 | |
| HiPointDem | Mar 8 | #16 | |
| Starry Messenger | Mar 8 | #18 | |
| kwassa | Mar 8 | #21 | |
| Liberal_in_LA | Mar 8 | #22 |
Response to liberal N proud (Original post)
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 07:02 AM
lonestarnot (71,133 posts)
1. Some richie rich will make mcmansions.
Response to lonestarnot (Reply #1)
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 07:21 AM
bluestate10 (8,571 posts)
2. Probably will become office space.
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Most buildings, even when they are beautiful, seldom work out as commercial space unless a concerted effort is made to make the space work. Foot traffic is important for commercial buildings, not so much for medical, dental, or law offices. In fact, the elegance of a building is a selling point when it comes to professional office space.
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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:18 AM
talkingmime (2,173 posts)
3. Damn that's sad. I've actually been in the last one. They SHOULD be historic buildings.
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At least turn them into museums or something. It makes no sense to sell them.
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Response to talkingmime (Reply #3)
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 12:20 PM
Brother Buzz (8,366 posts)
9. Most are registered historic buildings
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and some have museums included in the remodeling/transformation.
Here's an old post office in San Francisco that was converted to retail shops, restaurants, office space, and apartments back in the eighties. The building was a white elephant for mail service. The lobby with the famous murals was left intact and made into a museum:
This is what is behind the lobby: ![]() |
Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #9)
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 04:34 PM
HiPointDem (16,876 posts)
17. "Most are registered historic buildings" = no.
Response to HiPointDem (Reply #17)
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 05:26 PM
Brother Buzz (8,366 posts)
19. I stand corrected, but.....
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most are eligible for the National Register. State register, too.
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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #19)
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 05:31 PM
HiPointDem (16,876 posts)
20. so? historic property paid for by the people should be privatized for a pittance so long as the
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new owners get a historic designation?
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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:23 AM
pipi_k (16,262 posts)
4. Here's one that
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got turned into something functional and fun and good for the city of Westfield, MA...
Very beautiful inside. Nice atmosphere, great food! http://www.tavernrestaurantwestfield.com/ |
Response to liberal N proud (Original post)
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:41 AM
SQUEE (513 posts)
5. The Frist Center in Nashville shows what can be done in these cases.
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The Frist was originally the main post office for Nashville, it was designed in 1933 and is a great example of Art deco architecture, and shining example of New Deal PWA success. It was renovated to become a museum around 2000.
Some cool pics
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mWIT0enWU3o/Ttsj7IYZysI/AAAAAAAABb8/of42i_lsG7g/s1600/Frist+Center.jpg http://tuck-hinton.com/wp-content/themes/tuck-hinton/themify/img.php?src= &w=767&h=526
http://www.concierge.com/images/destinations/destinationguide/usa+canada/usa/tennessee/nashville/nashville_009p.jpg |
Response to liberal N proud (Original post)
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 12:01 PM
malaise (105,997 posts)
6. They are looting the states and the federal government
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Who will stop these thieves?
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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 12:07 PM
Comrade_McKenzie (2,526 posts)
7. A rich, libertarian family lives in the old one in our town.
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We have a new, bigger modernized facility... but it's still sickening.
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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 12:10 PM
brentspeak (16,567 posts)
8. This real estate is being sold at bargain-basement prices
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to wealthy developers and investors. It is a looting of public property, engineered by the GOP and now enabled by corporate Democrats like Diane Feinstein, Tom Carper, and Barack Obama.
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Response to brentspeak (Reply #8)
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 12:36 PM
Brother Buzz (8,366 posts)
11. Feinstein's husband, Richard Blum, is the dude doing the profiting
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In the summer of 2012, the U.S. Postal Service awarded Blum's CBRE company the exclusive contract to sell its portfolio of public properties.
Feinstein's office denies any influence in the awarding of the contract, SO STOP SAYING THAT! ![]() |
Response to brentspeak (Reply #8)
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 12:42 PM
Ikonoklast (21,626 posts)
12. Outright fabrication on your part. Those buildings are sometimes sold at a premium to market.
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Stop jerking your knee so hard, you'll wear it out.
The government has sold surplus items including real estate since its inception. Some of those older Post Office buildings needed massive updating to almost every system to be viable. Many of those facilities were no longer upgradeable, or to do so would be prohibitively expensive. Some had limited parking and handicapped accessability, outmoded docks for mail trucks, too small a work area to handle an increased mail volume. It was cheaper to design and build a new facility from scratch that would serve the citizens better. If you actually think that you will be able to purchase one for a song, go for it. |
Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #12)
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 04:31 PM
brentspeak (16,567 posts)
15. Asking price of just $555,000 for a classic 23,163 sq. ft property in downtown Norwich, CT
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Last edited Fri Mar 8, 2013, 04:44 PM USA/ET - Edit history (7) That is what is known in the trade as "pennies on the dollar". And that is just the asking price; the negotiated price will be much less.
http://www.uspspropertiesforsale.com/default.asp?f=listing_details&listingid=302096&listingtype=22 "Those buildings are sometimes sold at a premium to market". Those are your words, not mine. "The government has sold surplus items including real estate since its inception." The government has never sold so many USPS buildings before, especially not ones which are listed in the National Registry of Historic Places. Your antagonistic and factually disingenuous post raises the obvious question: just what personal stake do you have in this issue? For example, members of the public are not usually allowed to know final sale prices of these USPS properties -- how would you know them? And how could you possibly know which USPS buildings are supposedly lacking in parking/handicapped space, have "outmoded docks for mail trucks", and "have too small a work area for increased mail volume" (an obvious falsehood -- most of these buildings are among USPS largest properties)? Those are talking points parroted about by lobbyists who work on behalf of hedge funds and real estate developers looking to get a piece of the action. |
Response to brentspeak (Reply #8)
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 01:10 PM
liberal N proud (43,679 posts)
13. Wealthy developers at bargain basement prices
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The rich getting richer off the tax payer.
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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 01:42 PM
Initech (38,842 posts)
14. It's the end of an empire and everything must go!!!
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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 04:33 PM
HiPointDem (16,876 posts)
16. +100. a crime and a theft from the people who paid for the buildings.
Response to liberal N proud (Original post)
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 04:39 PM
Starry Messenger (21,452 posts)
18. Those beautiful buildings and the New Deal murals should be National Treasures
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More background at this Kos link about the fire sales going on with Post Offices: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/01/1165912/-Selling-off-the-Post-Office-Berkeley-calls-out-Richard-Blum
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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 05:34 PM
kwassa (15,654 posts)
21. Donald Trump is turning the Old Post Office Pavilion in DC into a luxury hotel.
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Like it or not.
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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 06:31 PM
Liberal_in_LA (28,657 posts)



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