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Thu Feb 28, 2013, 01:48 PM

All of you who criticized Bloomberg over the Soda ban ... consider this

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/27/its-the-sugar-folks/

Sugar is indeed toxic. It may not be the only problem with the Standard American Diet, but it’s fast becoming clear that it’s the major one.

A study published in the Feb. 27 issue of the journal PLoS One links increased consumption of sugar with increased rates of diabetes by examining the data on sugar availability and the rate of diabetes in 175 countries over the past decade. And after accounting for many other factors, the researchers found that increased sugar in a population’s food supply was linked to higher diabetes rates independent of rates of obesity.


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The study controlled for poverty, urbanization, aging, obesity and physical activity. It controlled for other foods and total calories. In short, it controlled for everything controllable, and it satisfied the longstanding “Bradford Hill” criteria for what’s called medical inference of causation by linking dose (the more sugar that’s available, the more occurrences of diabetes); duration (if sugar is available longer, the prevalence of diabetes increases); directionality (not only does diabetes increase with more sugar, it decreases with less sugar); and precedence (diabetics don’t start consuming more sugar; people who consume more sugar are more likely to become diabetics).



Bottom like - Sugar is no different from Tobacco - and it needs to be regulated/taxed ....and in BIG way ... Bloomberg is on the right side of history on this one.

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 01:53 PM

1. I did consider all that... and rejected it as woefully insufficient

Bloomberg is not on the right side of history unless one's view of history is the endless encroachment of the State to dictate to citizens what the State thinks their priorities should be until people are eventually grow in vats like in The Matrix, with all the right nutrients pumped in.

Perhaps Bloomberg will have all overweight persons driven through the streets by whip-weiding charioteers for an hour a day to provide some much needed exercise.

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Response to cthulu2016 (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:05 PM

8. The history of soda?

From banning an extra huge soda size to nutrient filled growing vats? Really?

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Response to cthulu2016 (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:05 PM

9. Such a stark, yet true visualization of where this leads....



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Response to cthulu2016 (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 09:01 AM

140. cthulu! you just made my day with your word pictures! People grown in vats and chariots in

in the streets with Charlton Heston flogging the horses!

Vivid and thoroughly entertaining! Love ya

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 01:54 PM

2. Sugar is toxic and needs to be regulated?

Lmao!!!!

Good luck with that.


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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 01:59 PM

4. Which part of it do you find funny?

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Response to srican69 (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:10 PM

12. The part where you think sugar needs or can be regulated. Obviously. nt

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #12)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 04:19 PM

74. I know right?

Some people on here make me go

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Response to srican69 (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:29 PM

19. So does oil, we waste too much...You should only be allowed to buy 10 quarts a year

for changing the oil in your vehicle...

You wil get oil vouchers from the fed...
If you have a shitty oil spewing engine you will have to hit the oil underground



Next on the list----




It's evil shit....worse than soda

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Response to srican69 (Reply #4)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 10:02 AM

149. Your body requires sugar to function

Calling sugar toxic is like calling oxygen or water toxic.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #149)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 11:29 AM

164. And of course the only way to get it is with huge vats of soda

Because there's no other way for the body to get sugar.

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Response to mainer (Reply #164)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 11:50 AM

165. Which has pretty much squat to do with whether sugar is "toxic" or not

Very small quantities of water can kill you. That doesn't mean water is toxic.

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 01:55 PM

3. people are generally too stupid so they do need rules and regs.

 

I'm with Bloom on this too - altho that sure took some courage to do. ''Why, it's my freedumb to be stupid, how dare you encroach!'' doesn't cut it.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:13 PM

14. "people are generally too stupid so they do need rules and regs."

 

And THERE you have it, Ladies and Gentlemen!

We need billionaires to tell us not to buy 32 oz of coke!

Hey Bloomie- Shove your regulations- hard

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Response to green for victory (Reply #14)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:42 PM

23. so you like de-regulation? How did that wall street de-reg work out?

 

there is one thing to protect real freedoms and then there is another thing to protect from corporations selling you whatever turns a dollar for them, but harms us all. the difference is quite clear - except maybe if you drink a gallon of pepsi a day crying out 'freedom' after every sip.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #23)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:09 PM

33. Its not that simple

 

I like sensible regulations but I will never want any govt official to regulate what I am doing in the bedroom. So yes, you can like some regulations and at the same time hate others.

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Response to roxy1234 (Reply #33)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:32 PM

43. what do you do with soda in the bedroom?

 

NEVERMIND! I don't want to know.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #23)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 04:07 PM

67. Completely different situation.

Deregulating Wall Street hurt millions of people who had nothing to do with the running of Wall Street. Allowing people to drink soda only harms the people who want to drink soda.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #23)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:55 PM

107. 'deregulation'? wtf? when was this previous time when individuals weren't allowed to buy big

 

containers of soda?

could there be any stupider analogy than linking bloomberg's soda fascism to 'deregulation,' which typically is used to talk about corporate regulation?

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Response to green for victory (Reply #14)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:52 PM

106. +1. what a great demonstration of democratic values. "people are too stupid to buy their own

 

food".

the smart folks need to tell us how to do it.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #106)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 11:17 PM

110. do you think corporations have too much influence on us?

 

I do. And what's really stupid, is that most times everyone here on DU seem to think so too.

but The Soda Story is somehow different. Corp and their product good. Pepsi haters freedom haters.

Pepsi and the like use good water and destroy streams and rivers to make their poison. Polllution from their production is a problem in many communities and their plastic ends up in landfills.



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Response to Whisp (Reply #110)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 11:21 PM

111. gad. you're really trying to make the case that this is some kind of revolutionary blow

 

to Big Soda, struck by the radical mr. bloomberg. not only that, buying small sodas (more packaging) will clean up streams and landfills!

major fail.

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Response to green for victory (Reply #14)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 08:23 PM

173. That's completely backwards - massive corporate profits are driven by sugar consumption

All the major food producers in the country are driven solely by profit motive, and this means selling as much high-sugar, sodium and fat laden products as they can. They don't give a rats ass if we all wind up sick and diabetic and obese.
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Response to green for victory (Reply #14)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 08:26 PM

174. The fact that super-size sodas EXIST is proof of the point.

They wouldn't exist if people didn't buy them. Consuming soda in massive quantities is stupid. Therefore, there are stupid people out there who need someone else to raise barriers to their stupidity.

Although, if it were really true that they only hurt themselves, I would have no problem with it. But people give this crap to children. And they show up in emergency rooms in diabetic comas and with heart attacks and shit. And those of us who support single-payer health care have a bit of an interest in curbing the most awful profiteering by health destruction.

Shouldn't be banned though, because then you only create a black market with those associated problems. Instead, tax it and turn the tax revenue to nutrition education and treating the diseases the crap causes.

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Response to MH1 (Reply #174)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 09:24 PM

176. Consuming ANYTHING in massive quantities is stupid

Bloomberg overstepped his bounds.

If he REALLY wants to stop obesity, he's gonna have to get rid of the the smartphone, the remote control, the washing machine, the dishwasher, the refrigerator, the vacuum cleaner, the subway, the car, the train, the boat, the shoe, agriculture...

Here's reality.
Civilization's ultimate purpose is to grow a bunch of fat happy people.

Every technology we create is designed to make our lives EASIER...so we have to do LESS work.
That's the whole purpose of inventing new things.
We don't do HALF the work people did 100 years ago.
Because we don't put out that much activity, we had to put together this chore called EXERCISE.
When we were a more agrarian-based society, exercise was your daily routine working in the fields.
No need & no time for those unnatural exercises then.

We ate carbohydrate-rich diets to allow us the energy to work those fields.
But as our technology grew, we didn't change the diets so we just store the excess energy as fat.
We STILL preach about eating Breakfast, Lunch, & Dinner but we have nowhere to spend all of the energy from those meals.
THEN you got such easy access to food in this country at every corner that you can't HELP but to get fat.
And some people gain weight faster than others. You know that basic variation of life that affects all species.

With the technology of this internet age, now people don't even have to walk to the bank or post office or utility companies to pay their bills or mail messages.
It's all done online now.

What do you expect?
All Bloomberg's dumb ass is gonna do is cause people to buy MORE drinks to make up for the big drinks they can no longer get.
All the sugar just making them even fatter.

This country is VERY hypocritical when it comes to the weight issue.
Trying to demonize the fat form but doing absolutely everything to ensure that it exists.

Wait until they finally invent the Toilet Couch that Homer Simpson dreamed of!
Then people won't even have to leave their living rooms!

Everything in moderation.
INCLUDING exercise.
No matter how "fit" you make yourself, your ass is still gonna die like everyone else.
At least the ones who don't buy into that food nazi crap will have had some fun before they died.
George Burns smoked a cigar every day & lived to 100.
Brian Maxwell, the fit athletic co-creator of the PowerBar, ran marathons & lived to 51.
Who's more healthy?

Think about it. If everyone was peak health & fitness, then the doctors wouldn't have a job, would they?
How are they gonna get better at fixing the human body if they never deal with a body that breaks?
John Lucas

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Response to Whisp (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:14 PM

15. Spoken like a true Republican

can't legalize marijuana "because people might put something in their body we don't like." I'll bet you're a big fan of the War on Drugs.

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Response to SpartanDem (Reply #15)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:39 PM

22. lol. okay

 

seeing as you don't believe in regulations for the good of all, why don't you repeal that law that says you must drive on the right lane and change it to the left, like they do in England.

But you go first.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #22)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:57 PM

28. I believe is making sure consumers are informed.

,but unlike you I don't believe in telling people what they should be putting in their bodies.

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Response to SpartanDem (Reply #28)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:36 PM

44. I think you missed something important...

 


Like actually reading what I wrote, but that's okay.

That is what I do all day, just walk about and tell people what can be put into their bodies. Why just this morning I was walking my dog, and a neighbour was putting something in his body (a coffee from 7/11) and I chastised him good. My dog got a word or two in as well.

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Response to SpartanDem (Reply #15)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:16 PM

37. When a substance becomes a public health issue, it is in the interest of society

that government step in. Emissions, miles per gallon, lead paint ban, and alcohol use are all regulated to address public health issues.



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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #37)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 04:11 PM

70. The vast majority of sexual assaults and domestic violence involve alcohol

So by your rationale...

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #70)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 04:24 PM

77. Hold on a sec...

Drinking Alcohol and Domestic Abuse

by David J. Hanson, Ph.D.

There is a general correlation between alcohol consumption and violence toward a spouse or partner: They sometimes occur together. But does drinking actually cause abuse in a relationship? Researchers and other experts warn against jumping to the conclusion that it does.

It’s easy to fall into the trap of assuming that a relationship between two things means that one causes the other. For example, the number of people who drown is correlated with the consumption of ice cream. But neither causes the other. In warmer weather more people eat more ice cream and more people go swimming, which increases the chances of drowning.

Experts emphasize that there is no research evidence that alcohol consumption or even alcohol abuse causes domestic violence.
Furthermore, the majority of alcoholics and other men who abuse alcohol don’t abuse their partners and most instances of abuse occur in the absence of any alcohol consumption at all.

http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/Controversies/1090863351.html


Stop Violence Against Women
The relationship between alcohol or other substance abuse and domestic violence is complicated. A prevailing myth about domestic violence is that alcohol and drugs are the major causes of domestic abuse. In reality, some abusers rely on substance use (and abuse) as an excuse for becoming violent. Alcohol allows the abuser to justify his abusive behavior as a result of the alcohol. While an abuser’s use of alcohol may have an effect on the severity of the abuse or the ease with which the abuser can justify his actions, an abuser does not become violent “because” drinking causes him to lose control of his temper. As described more fully in the section on theories of violence, domestic violence is used to exert power and control over another; it does not represent a loss of control.


http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/svaw/domestic/link/alcohol.htm

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #77)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 04:29 PM

79. So in other words, it may not cause abuse but it does facilitate it.

some abusers rely on substance use (and abuse) as an excuse for becoming violent. Alcohol allows the abuser to justify his abusive behavior as a result of the alcohol. While an abuser’s use of alcohol may have an effect on the severity of the abuse or the ease with which the abuser can justify his actions, an abuser does not become violent “because” drinking causes him to lose control of his temper.


Again, why not regulate alcohol consumption to mitigate this sort of behavior?

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #79)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 04:39 PM

85. No, it doesn't facilitate it. It just provides a handy excuse.

If some abusers can't use alcohol as an excuse, they will use something out... That is, instead of saying, "I'm sorry but I was drunk," the abuser will say, "I'm sorry, but I was cranky because I skipped." (An excuse, I heard after my abuser hit me.)

An abuser will use any excuse available other than take personal responsibility. Alcohol can be a handy one. An abuser who stops drinking will not stop abusing.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #85)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 04:56 PM

92. Um --

facilitate
Definition
fa·cil·i·tateTRANSITIVE VERB
1. simplify process: to make something easy or easier to do


"If some abusers can't use alcohol as an excuse, they will use something out..."

But how many alcohol-related rapes, assaults, traffic accidents and DV incidences *could* be prevented?

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #92)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 05:20 PM

99. Again. Using alcohol does not make it easier to abuse.

How many traffic accidents could be avoided by banning cars?

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #99)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 10:30 PM

109. let me get this straight. you want to regulate sugar, but not alcohol or cars?

 

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #37)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 09:56 AM

146. Yes, and tobacco

I doubt that anyone here wants to return to the days of selling, and advertising, cigarettes to children.

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Response to SpartanDem (Reply #15)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 04:21 PM

75. Unfortunately I see the "we know what's better for you" mentality on both sides

And I am equally sickended by it no matter who's mouth it comes from.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:05 PM

32. "people are generally too stupid so they do need rules and regs"

And let me guess: you have selected yourself to be part of the self-appointed group that writes the definition of what is good, what is bad, what is smart and what is stupid and if anybody disagrees then they are obviously proving how much they require your services.

Once upon a time "democracy" meant people governed themselves. Apparently they were "too stupid" and need their betters to govern their lives down to their caloric intake.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #32)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:31 PM

41. overdosing on sugar is bad for you

 

one doesn't need a medical degree to know that.

pushing stuff on the public that is bad for them,but good for corporate profits shouldn't need special knowledge to recognize either.

and Yah, people are generally too stupid on their own. We need a lot of the laws that we have otherwise it would be chaos. Unless one is a libertarian, then they have some other way of doing things which I can never understand and never will understand.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #41)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:37 PM

45. Overdosing on anything is bad for you, hence the term "overdosing"

People can overdose on aspirin and I'm sure aspirin corporations also make profits and advertise their products.

There are people who are vegans, presumably for the health benefits, that become so overzealous they leave their kids malnourished. That's not an indictment of vegans and the last thing vegans needs is some pushy, know-it-all do-gooder invading their lives in the name of doing what is best for them because they're presumably too stupid because someone else was too stupid.

The only people who are too stupid are those who think they know what's best for everyone else and ought to have the power to make it law.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #45)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:40 PM

47. there is something really curious

 

about some people that scream out 'don't take my gallon sized freedumb pepsi away. you fascist!' but will lay down and take all kinds of shit from their politicians and corporations like they were in a coma.


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Response to Whisp (Reply #47)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:46 PM

52. Is it as odd as

someone thinking that politicians and corporations have too much power but then want to have the power to dictate people's lives down to what they're allowed to eat.

We're fighting hard enough to keep them out of our bedrooms and phone lines only to invite them into our kitchens. Unless something actually criminal is going on the government needs to stay out of my house -- period. And if you do want in my house bring a sworn warrant. Corporations don't come in to my house unless I spend the money to bring them in.

And no, I do not drink soda.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #41)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:39 PM

46. Overdosing? So what's the LD50 for sugar?

Or perhaps you don't know what you're talking about, and just like using absolutist terms so you can feel superior.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #46)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:43 PM

49. thanks for pointing that out.

 

I'm not sure if it's superiority I feel, but I feel really good about not drinking that crap. I prefer good water (and not bottled water).

And I do my best to inform people and to wean them off of that toxic shit and have made a good difference in a few people's lives.

yeh, so thanks. sort of.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #46)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:45 PM

51. I meant to say 'over doing' it but

 

who gives a shit. Let it stand.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #51)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:53 PM

54. Ok, let's assume you manage to consume 0 sugar.

Congratulations, you're dead.

No really. Your brain can only consume glucose. Eat 0 sugar and you literally die. That's kinda odd behavior for a toxic substance.

Let's say you manage to eat enough sugar to keep your brain alive, and 5000 calories per day of fat and protein while laying around the house. Are you going to be thin? Fuck no.

Weight management is complex. There is no single magic bullet that can control it. Blaming it all on sugar will fail just like it failed when we blamed it all on fat in the 80s and 90s.

It's total calories consumed vs total calories expended. Your body doesn't give a damn if those calories are from sugar or not. And exercise is much, much, much, much, much, much more important than diet.

We need to stop talking up magic bullets if we're going to solve this. Because there aren't any magic bullets.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #54)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:56 PM

57. did I say 0 sugar?

 

if you eat at all, you are getting some sugar - you don't need PepsiCo as a dispenser of that need as mama nature has it pretty well dealt with.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #57)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 04:05 PM

65. So....are you unable to read more than one paragraph? (nt)

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #65)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 04:24 PM

76. actually no, it's a condition from not drinking enough poison from Corporate fucks PepsiCo. n/t

 

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Response to Whisp (Reply #76)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 04:27 PM

78. Ah, too bad. 'Cause paragraph #3 addressed the point you were trying to make. (nt)

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #54)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 10:53 AM

159. The body can make it's own glucose

It is capable of converting proteins into glucose. Consuming sugars is not necessary.

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Response to madville (Reply #159)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 01:36 PM

167. Uh....no.

Otherwise, we wouldn't have a complex glucose regulation system. It would be stupid for us to make glycogen in the liver if we could just convert protein to glucose.

In addition, there's no other creature that creates glucose from protein. So I'm gonna ask to see your references claiming such.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #167)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 08:14 PM

172. Uh....yes. It's called Gluconeogenesis

Humans and a bunch of other animals do it, mainly takes place in the liver.


glu·co·ne·o·gen·e·sis (glk-n-jn-ss)
n.
The formation of glucose, especially by the liver, from noncarbohydrate sources, such as amino acids. Also called glyconeogenesis.
American Heritage Medical Dictionary

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #46)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 04:33 PM

171. Your posts here have been enlightening

Thank you

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Response to Whisp (Reply #41)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 04:29 PM

80. "pushing stuff on the public" -- because they're too dumb to resist...

 

"That depends on the meaning of the word pushing" --Bill Clinton

Why aren't more people concerned with this kind of "Pushing" by companies convicted of fraud and bribery (see: Eli Lilly)

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Response to green for victory (Reply #80)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 10:01 PM

108. for sure. legal prescription drugs = one of the biggest killers in the US. deaths growing by

 

leaps and bounds as pharmacorps pushes for more deregulation.

bloomberg's invested in them, but thinks people can't be trusted with a large soda.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #41)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 02:41 AM

113. Presumptuous 1 percenters dictating to us is worse. N/T

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Response to Whisp (Reply #41)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 08:26 AM

129. You do know that alcohol and cigarettes are still sold, right?

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #129)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 04:10 PM

170. You do know that soda is still sold, too?

No one's saying you can't buy soda in one-ton quantities.

Just that, in a restaurant or fast-food establishment, you can no longer get 32-oz vats of it in a cup.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 04:05 PM

66. In this case it is their freedom to be stupid.

People should be made aware of the risks, but if they want to drink soda it isn't mine or the State's business to them otherwise. They aren't harming anyone, but themselves with their actions (unlike with smoking.)

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Response to white_wolf (Reply #66)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 04:30 PM

81. health costs related to obesity is harming everyone, in one way or another.

 

There is nothing wrong with liking soda but PepsiCo and kind want to replace Water with soda.

They want everyone to have a pop instead of water - and why not, let the market decide! If they can convince the same kinds of people that believe in the guy with the red shoes today represents that other guy in the sky with the white beard to millions of people, then Pepsi has also convinced millions that their shit is better (and healthier too! that will be coming soon, no doubt) than clean water.

Tragic hilarity.



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Response to Whisp (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 04:16 PM

72. And here I thought we were the party of choice

 

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Response to Whisp (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 08:52 AM

137. It's not so much that people are stupid,

It's that endless corporate propaganda tends to override common sense. And I'm astonished that so many DUers are happy to mindlessly parrot the lies they they've been spoon-fed & insist it's the TRUTH, but never even try to examine where that info comes from.

Fizzy sugar water isn't and shouldn't be held up as the symbol of individual freedom. And all Bloomburg is doing is regulating the size of the container - the morons who cry that they absolutely need to wallow in a half-gallon of soda can still get it with no problem. They just have to buy more than one cup.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #137)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 09:38 AM

143. I'm sure the soda industry is well invested in this outrage of loss of human rights. n/t

 

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:02 PM

5. Sugar no different than tobacco?

Riiiiigghttt. It is also an essential part of the human diet. Tobacco...not so much if ever. You were doing good until that last sentence of gibberish.

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:03 PM

6. Sugar is really really bad. HFCS is even worse.

I think a lot more needs to be done than banning sizes of soda. We can start by no longer subsidizing sugar. http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/why-congress-should-repeal-sugar-subsidy

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:11 PM

35. The Cato Institute?!

The libertarian paradise??!!

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:03 PM

7. Of course its toxic but...

if someone sees it fit to subsist on a diet entirely of peeps & gigantic sodas I say let 'em. Not my body. Not my choice.

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Response to bunnies (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:06 PM

10. Not everyone who consumes enormous quantities of soda is an adult.

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Response to randome (Reply #10)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:09 PM

11. True. I should have quantified my statement.

imho, allowing a child a peeps & soda diet would be child abuse. But adults, I believe, should be trusted to make their own decisions.

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Response to randome (Reply #10)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:53 PM

25. No. Because a 'small' soda is 16 oz.

My argument with the size cap is there is nothing to encourage retailers to offer smaller sizes. I have the same complaint about ice cream cones. Bring back small portions. Please.

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Reply #25)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 04:04 PM

63. 'Small' was 8 ounces when I served it.

The corporate need for over-consumption has ruled people's lives for too long.

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Response to randome (Reply #10)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 07:20 AM

117. Not everyone who

drinks soda is fat

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Response to OwnedByCats (Reply #117)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 08:35 AM

132. No one said that. No one is trying to prevent you or anyone else from drinking soda.

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Response to randome (Reply #132)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 09:11 AM

141. It's like I've been

saying. First it starts off like this. You can drink as much as you want, as long as you don't mind paying for each one instead of free refills or a big giant drink. But it can manifest into a ban. Not saying it will for sure, but the potential is always there. I dunno, I just don't like living in a nanny state. It's my choice if I want to eat or drink crap, it's also my choice if I choose not to. I actually just believe in moderation, that I chose for myself. I don't expect everyone else to do what I do. I believe everyone should be able to make their own decisions. I don't need Bloomberg or any other politician to hold my hand. Really I don't think Bloomberg gives a crap, he just wants more revenue for the city. Hey I wouldn't mind, except that I don't think any of NY, city or State spends our tax dollars wisely.

And I know no one said all people who drink soda are fat, that was just my smart ass reply to yours. lol

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Response to bunnies (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:35 PM

21. Eat more chick peeps...

...sayeth the bunnies.



TYY

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:10 PM

13. Yeah he and Carrie Nation are on right side history

why aren't stupid prohibitionist content enough let people lead their own lives

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:20 PM

16. agreed

Personal choice is personal choice up to the point where others suffer for it. If I go hiking in a dangerous part of the country and am killed and eaten by a bear, that's my personal stupidity. If I go hiking, get lost and call for a helicopter rescue, now my stupidity affects others.

The cost of smoking-related illnesses are not confined to the finances of the smokers in question. Even if they were, tobacco companies advertise to increase sales. It's not like cigarettes are just sitting on a shelf and a prospective smoker has to pick them up to figure out how they're used. There's an entire incentivization culture built around it.

Our food situation is even worse because we don't have to smoke but we do have to eat and our choices have become increasingly erroded. It becomes very difficult to eat in such a way that won't make you fat in this country. Obesity wasn't a problem generations ago and we ate plenty.

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:22 PM

17. Uh, your brain runs on glucose. In other words, sugar.

Saying sugar is a toxin equal to tobacco is unbelievably stupid.

Tobacco is full of carcinogens and lethal chemicals.

Christ on a crutch - the stupid is really rampant.

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Response to Zoeisright (Reply #17)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:25 PM

18. watch this in your spare time ... and get back to me




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Response to srican69 (Reply #18)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:45 PM

50. Your video doesn't change the fact that your brain only eats glucose.

Sorry. No matter how many videos are made, your brain only lives on sugar.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #50)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:56 PM

58. glucose aint the problem .. its fructose.

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Response to srican69 (Reply #58)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 04:03 PM

62. Ah, so are you one of the people who thinks HFCS is 100% fructose?

'cause it isn't.

Corn Syrup is 100% glucose. They convert roughly 1/2 of the glucose into fructose to make HFCS.

You know what's also 50% glucose and 50% fructose? Sucrose (aka "sugar").

So yeah, changing from HFCS to Sucrose will do.....nothing.

There are no magic bullets for fighting obesity. It's calories in versus calories burned. And exercise is infinitely more important than diet. Talking up single causes and magic bullets won't solve the problem. Just like the demonization of fat in the 80s and 90s didn't work.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #62)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 04:05 PM

64. where did I imply that? please point it to me ... HFCS is about 60% fructose .. the cane sugar is

50% frustose ( one glucose molecule and one fructose molecule) and is just as bad for you

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Response to srican69 (Reply #64)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 04:07 PM

68. There's several blends available

The most commonly used is 43% fructose. They go as high as 75%.

Again, you are still claiming obesity is caused by one magic bullet. It isn't. And once we stop pretending that there is a magic bullet we'll be much closer to solving the problem.

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Response to Zoeisright (Reply #17)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:48 PM

24. IKR?

The things people post! ANYTHING in huge extreme amounts can be bad for you! Sugar? Um...kinda needed in the body.

Hey did you hear? SALT is a toxic evil sludge and so is potassium! Yep...evils I tells ya!

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Response to Rex (Reply #24)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:57 PM

60. The most amusing thing about salt is when they finally studied it

they found no harm.

Turns out, our kidneys are really good at their job, and consuming salt doesn't increase blood pressure long-term.

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Response to Zoeisright (Reply #17)

Sat Mar 2, 2013, 02:55 PM

178. Yep, if you want to abstain from sugar, you pretty much have to starve to death.

Even fruits & veggies contain sugar! It's just the refined sugar like in candy etc. that brings up the concerns. I think framing the nutritional issues as sugar=toxic misrepresent the science and is just plain unconstructive.

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:34 PM

20. Let me know when he's ready to ban homelessness, hunger,

contaminated water and oceans, pollution, poverty and war. All of those things are toxic to humans. Then I might consider him being on the right side of history. Banning what adults chose to drink is just stupid.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #20)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:13 PM

36. He already did ban homelessness

well, he said he did, so it must be true.

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:56 PM

26. Gosh I guess the Krebs cycle and glycolysis where ATP comes from glucose must be toxic

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:56 PM

27. Except there isn't sugar in most sodas anymore

it's sweetened with high fructose corn syrup.

BIG difference.

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Response to SoCalNative (Reply #27)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:18 PM

38. You win!!!!!!

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Response to SoCalNative (Reply #27)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 04:11 PM

69. Mountain Dew Throwback is sweetened with real sugar.

I'm sure it's just as bad for you as regular Mountain Dew, but it tastes better.

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:57 PM

29. Yes, we NEEEED the government to run our lives for us!

Please sir, may I have another?

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Response to B2G (Reply #29)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 09:20 AM

142. Yes!! My question is this.

Which faction does this represent on the left? Progressives, Liberals, Neoliberals, Statists? I mean seriously, we rail against government intrusion into our bedroom and our bodies but welcome them in to so many other things. Wth? does liberal even mean liberal anymore? I say it still does, I cast a suspicious eye at so called progressives. I think there is a difference and I believe they are much more comfortable with nanny statism. IMO

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #142)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 09:58 AM

147. I know, right?

Whatever happened to 'my body, my choice'?

Amazing really.

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:57 PM

30. I do not want anyone protecting me from myself.

No seltbelt laws, no helmet laws, and do not think for me about how much soda to drink.

No.

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:04 PM

31. So.... water is toxic in sufficient quantities!

You is gullible ain't you!

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Response to whistler162 (Reply #31)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:11 PM

34. The last time I checked Hyper-Hydration wasn't a national epidemic

Sugar is at the root of many of our health problems.

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Response to srican69 (Reply #34)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:43 PM

48. No, it isn't.

Too many calories is the root of the problems you're worried about. It doesn't particularly matter if those calories come from sugar or fats or protein.

Stop looking for a single magic bullet. There isn't one.

And declaring sugar "toxic" demonstrates you have utterly no understanding of physiology.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #48)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:54 PM

56. Fructose gets metabolized in the liver and produces some stuff that interferes with the pathways

used to trigger hunger and satiation signals to the brain ...

See more at

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Response to srican69 (Reply #56)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 04:18 PM

73. No.

Fructose is metabolized in many places. Most of our cells can digest fructose.

All of the studies that claim fructose interferes with satiation use 100% fructose in their studies. Which isn't the situation when we eat food. Even HFCS is roughly 50% glucose 50% fructose.

If your argument about fructose was true, fruit would be terrible to eat - it's full of fructose. Instead, what are we supposed to eat in place of artificial sweets? Fruit. Golly, maybe fructose isn't the demon that some people want to create.

Again, there is not one magic bullet.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #73)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 04:35 PM

83. but fruit as the video above points out - comes with fibre -

which delays absorption among other things ...

The problem in our society is that so much of our food today is so refined and devoid of fibre. That along with the explosion in the amount of sugar we eat compared to our ancestors should give us a lot of pause. That is all I am trying to say.

We need to find a way to put the genie back into the bottle.

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Response to srican69 (Reply #83)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 04:43 PM

86. Switching magic bullets doesn't suddenly make it work.

Fiber is no more the magic bullet than sugar, or HFCS, or fat, or protein.

Again, it's calories in versus calories burned. Doesn't really matter where those calories come from. And exercise is still much, much, much more important than diet.

People keep proposing magic bullets in a desperate attempt to make obesity an easy problem to solve. It's a lot easier to not eat <x> instead of paying attention to everything you eat and spending time on a treadmill.

But there is no magic bullet to solve the problem. It takes paying attention to everything you eat and significant exercise.

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:22 PM

39. Because regulating what we put in our bodies has worked so well!

 

“Political tags — such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth — are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. The former are idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of the greatest number. The latter are surly curmudgeons, suspicious and lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors than the other sort.”

---Robert Heinlein

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:25 PM

40. Bottom line is we are at odds all the way to form of government. Forget role and scope.

I think some cannot grasp LIMITED GOVERNMENT, often conflating it with the right wing meme of small government.

In our system the government has only the authority granted to it by the people. In order to accrue new powers, they must be enumerated. Government really has no right to dictate what substances and how much we put into our bodies.

Yes, freedom means, in part, that we have the right to make less than optimal decisions. Call it fredumb all you want but it is the nature of true self determination. It sure as hell doesn't mean the ability to only make the best choices or there would be no choice still. We are not a collective of drones, we must live with each other's choices and respect them even if they are not the ones we think of as wise.

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:32 PM

42. Fuck him... Everyone seems to be about choice until someone makes one they disagree with...

 

Then everyone is too dumb to know what's good for them and in desperate need of a daddy figure to tell them what they can and can't do.

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Response to Whats_that (Reply #42)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 10:36 AM

155. "Fuck him"?

I wouldn't touch him with a telephone pole




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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #155)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 10:49 AM

156. Point taken...

 

He can go fuck himself...

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:52 PM

53. Personally I'm not the biggest fan of soda I usually buy it when I have people over who drink it

But that being said sugar in some quantity is necessary to the body. Yes drinking to much soda is bad for you and I don't think there's a person alive who thinks otherwise. But banning things really isn't gonna make a difference I mean look at prohibition that increased alcohol consumption. The problem we have is education when I was growing up I was taught moderation today's society doesn't teach it we live in a society of instant and abundant gratification. We have to change the culture to truly change things and the way to do that is education not banning things.

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:54 PM

55. Fat is bad for you...

should we regulate bacon?

Seriously, where does it stop?

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Response to ohheckyeah (Reply #55)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 07:26 AM

118. Slippery slope

They'll soon ban anything remotely bad for you

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Response to OwnedByCats (Reply #118)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 08:40 AM

135. Except meddling. :-)

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #135)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 08:57 AM

139. Oh yeah

meddling is still the "in" thing. Maybe they'll ration soda and Oreos, if they're nice.

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:56 PM

59. Yeah, let's tax it.

I mean it worked for tobacco. Right?

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 04:00 PM

61. Everyone may have a different perspective

One thing I see where I live is everybody is trying to lose weight. Even a skinny person can suffer negative effects from sugar and HFCS.
It's not about some mayor banning big drinks its about our national health. Sugar is bad for anyone, it is addictive and it's use jepardizes our health.

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 04:12 PM

71. Can we agree: Bloomberg did NOT ban soda.

He just banned the sales of single-serving drinks over a certain size. You are always free to buy two smaller drinks. Or a hundred smaller drinks.

It's because super-sizing (as Mcdonald's found out) results in people wanting to finish the whole serving. Bloomberg is just against super-sizing.

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Response to mainer (Reply #71)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 04:52 PM

90. "He just banned the sales of single-serving drinks"

 

Can we stop drone bombing children in Pakistan and Yemen before some uber rich people start telling us what to do to "save lives"?

"He just banned the sales of single-serving drinks"


My signature for your consideration:

"Corruptisima republica plurimae leges" --Tacitus

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 04:32 PM

82. Restricting single-servings of soda doesn't accomplish much

I can buy two smaller sodas, or 50. I can also stop at the grocery store on the way home and buy gallons of the stuff.

I would think Bloomberg would have bigger issues to occupy his time and attention. He's being as ass about soda, and an ineffective ass at that.

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 04:39 PM

84. You know what this sounds like?

 

"Homosexuality is a sin.... so ban it"
"Abortion is a sin... ban it"
Divorce .... sinful, and don't get me started on prostitution, drugs, adultery, and the myriad of other "behavioral crimes" that are "sinful", and authoritarians like Mike Bloomberg feel compelled to save us from ourselves.


(He picks his battles BTW... don't really know what his real thoughts on any of the above are.... I just know that when Emperor Mike sees something as "bad" he feels compelled to legislate it away)

If he wants to reduce soda consumption he should pump some of his billions into PSA's or even into buying a soda company that is "health conscious". We'll see how well THAT sells.

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 04:46 PM

87. I wish I had someone to tell me no a decade or two ago. I welcome help from anyone

 

Of course, it's one day at a time losing weight and it takes a lifetime change of lifestyle.

125 pounds since May of last year and 16 inches.

Wish the prior 11 years someone had said NO or did a tsk tsk while I was at the movies
ordering the extra large soda and extra large popcorn smothered in artificial butter
THEN going and asking for a refill

48 ounces is 780 calories
refil bring it to 1560

I thank Mayor Bloomberg and a few others (including Chris Christie) for "slapping me silly" and getting me to see the light. Because I could NOT do it alone.

And there is no shame in getting help at any addiction, and sugar is an addiction.
NOONE needs to have 1560 calories in one meal or one 90 minute movie.
BESIDES-SODA GOES FLAT QUICKLY and tastes like shit that way.

And now I can actually FIT in the seat in the movie theatre and enjoy the film
(though I would enjoy it more if I wasn't damn worried about someone coming in and shooting up the place).

Same as cigarettes are banned in 99% of everything in NYC, and THANK GOD AND BLOOMBERG for that.

People can jump off a bridge too, and people try to save them.

Obesity is a national tragedy, and costs millions of dollars to people a year collectively.

WELLNESS for life.
one day at a time

And obesity only hurts yourself and in later years, all the ones who love you.

So you are not free to do as you please if one has those who love them.
(As Kristofferson(c) wrote, Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose"

and you have someone or something to live for, you are not free to kill yourself and think no one else is affected, to make some silly political point that makes one sound like a libertarian
in the first place.

(No one would go 120 mph on the streets of NYC.
No one should drink 1560 calories in 90 minutes.

Eventually everyone seeks help from someone.
Best it not come in the hospital.

And those that refuse to seek help, oddly enough, need help the most.

imho.
and it has nothing to do with taking away anyones rights.

obesity is bi-partisan.
Why wish that on a school kid?

It would have been so much easier for me had I had this whole wellness plan many decades ago, but especially the last one.

I want to stick around to see Hillary's two terms, Michelles two terms, and many other democratic presidents after them.
(Let alone all the personal stuff I want to see).

Wellness rules.
Thank you Mike Bloomberg, and I understand why the gun people lead the way in hating you.
Looking for a fat free, and gun free America. 90% of Americans used to smoke, now 90% don't.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #87)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 04:52 PM

91. Yup.

Not surprised one bit.

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Response to Earth_First (Reply #91)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 05:11 PM

97. How can one be free, when they are beholden to a vice?

 

I love when someone puts down wellness and thinks they are above it all
(no one specific here and not saying your one line reply does that, as it is a mystery as to what the one line means anyhow).

and talk about freedom and liberty while in actuality, though they don't see it,
they are beholden to an addiction meaning they are not actually free.

they may say damn the corporation while lighting up in defiance a cigarette
and damn the big corporations while guzzling down addictive stuff and making the big company rich

and damn the politicians who want to do something about guns in the streets
then in defiance shoot themselves in the toes accidentally

freedom's just another word for NOTHING at all.
because when one is dead from their addictions, they are free, but there is nothing.
And food is an addiction as is guns, cigarettes, drugs gambling and anything else.

And most people once they realize they are addicted, treasure any help they can get
and take it one day at a time.

I would rather now be exercising for 90 minutes a day and while doing so eating ZERO and drinking only a sip or two of water, than be guzzling 1560 calories in the 90 minute movie.

of course, everyone is free to make a choice

(again this is just a generalization, not meant to anyone specific).

whatever not surprised one bit means in your response.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #97)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 03:17 AM

114. Freedom means...

Freedom means not having people like yourself or mayor 1 percent, defining for everyone else, what "vice" means.

"freedom and liberty" means living ones own life and making ones own choices as they see fit, with nothing more than simple and reasonable rules that limit ones freedom of choice in only ways that are necessary, and it also means not having people like yourself or mayor 1 percent decide what the definition of "necessary" is.

What you don't seem to get about people in general - and this may be more of an American thing though I can't say for sure - is that people have a general tendency, when confronted by someone looking to force his or her will upon another individual or a group or even a populace of others, to say "fuck you, it isn't your place to do that" - with little thought to whether that person is right or wrong outside the issue of being an authoritarian asshole.

To a great many people, authoritarian assholes are a much larger problem than obesity or any other "vice" you can name.

I'm probably just wasting my time though, since you thought "stop and frisk" was just fine and dandy. "Meek mayor mike" ("I've got my own army") knows best, right?

Which would you choose:

A life where authoritarians told you how to live

or

A life where you were free from all but the most objectively necessary interference, and free to make choices, even bad ones.

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Response to beevul (Reply #114)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 05:05 AM

115. As Kristofferson wrote, Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose

 

and if you look at HIS meaning, he agrees with me.

Freedom is doing what one wants regardless of anything else

Having a family though or friends, or responsiblity means one is tied to other's wants and needs, and one is not free to do reckless things as it directly reflects others freedoms and libertys.

to use my own case, I have a family and kids.
I could have continued on the binge course I was one and dropped dead.
Therefore creating pain and sorrow and hardship.

NO freedom is not being reckless.
Freedom is thinking of others and putting the others before oneself

Freedom is not wanting kids/grandkids to be so fat that they have childhood diseases and never reach adulthood.

Obesity is as bad as any addiction

And when someone realizes it and someone is there to help, one thanks their lucky stars that person is there to help them, one day at a time.

And my personal addictions were ironically enough Coke and Cheese.
And eating and drinking endlessly thousands of calories of both a day was making me beholden to both of them.

BTW-here's a great song, one of my favorite.
While I am not an alchoholic, I am a cheese and coke cola addict (and that is not satire).
Took me alot of years to stand up and admit it.
Now I have my freedom. Free from that.
And I thank people like Mike Bloomberg.(and indirectly Chris Christie, seeing him was like a mirror. And less than a year ago, seeing the two together for some event put things in perfect context.
And I thank Ryan Shafer too, whether he knows it or not, he was a major inspiration.Though I am thankful to not have diabetes or even prediabetes, there but for some sort of luck, those numbers were never bad for me. But about a year ago, watched something and what an inspiration he is and it resonated.

(btw, your using the NRA soundbytes on Mr. Bloomberg show me all I need to know. It shows me the issue of wellness is not the one you are arguing. It shows me you are arguing some other issues of the Mayor of NY, most not even correct, but all 100% irrelevant to this.)

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reminds me that friends don't let friends drive drunk.
Even if it means taking a persons freedom to drive away.
Or friends helping someone in a cult get out of it, because a person can't do it themselves.
Freedom means having great friends and support groups.
Because if one is dead, one has ZERO freedom at all.

Someone who is drunk might rail and say, you authoritarian, give me my keys and then get into a head on collision with a bus and kill 50 people.
And taking those 50 people's freedoms away.

BTW, your line about stop and frisk is 100% lie.

Have a great day. Days are so much better for me now.All that energy, and it don't come from sugar highs.
One day at a time. Used to be something I thought was corny.
Now I see the light and say it often.

btw, it's 5am, off to the club. See you in a few hours.
(in the past I probably already would have had 3 20 ounce real soda.)
Now all I have had so far is a glass of water.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #115)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 07:54 AM

120. So if I have a lot of bodyfat to lose, does that make me free or not free?

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Response to Bucky (Reply #120)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 08:17 AM

122. If Jimmy Stewart's bumbling Georgie Bailey was standing on a bridge ready to jump off

 

Should Clarence the angel just have let him jump?

Or should Jimmy have been happy Clarence stopped him?

One knows who their friends are in the hour of need.
And if Jimmy just jumped, he really would have screwed Clarence, who was relying on him.
So Jimmy was not alone and free to do it, right?

Or as Tom T. Hall so famously sang
"Old dogs and children and watermelon wine"(c)
about supposed friends that are just not there when one needs them the most

Remember mash's theme song?
Well, that theme song was NOT meant to be taken literally.
It was written as irony.
Because, NO it is not.
Not for the person, not for any friend, family, or if one works, any coworker.

And not for the person who daily sees someone and is comforted, even not knowing the persons name, but they are on the 810bus or train, or at the 7-11, and one day
that person is not there, becuase well, that person might have had to have a big gulp at the same 7-11.

BTW-ever notice at the 7-11 that the hot meals they serve are really, really tiny?
The hotdogs and chili dogs and other crap people eat, are like mini.
Same with their pizza.

Why is it that they serve BIGGGGGGGGGGGGG cups of soda
and teeny tiny food?

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #87)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 05:12 PM

98. "90% of Americans used to smoke" --Source please? Thx in advance n/t

 

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #87)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 08:24 PM

100. You can have my soda when you pry it from my cold dead hands.

I'm glad you lost weight and I congratulate you, but just because you can not control your surgar intake, doesn't mean we need to regulate everybody's intake.

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #100)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:05 PM

101. I for one would rather idolize JFK's stand on fitness, and not Chuck Heston

 


I thought Chuck heston was an idiot and his acting worse than Reagan's.
Though Charlie's overacting was a helleva lot funnier than Seth's bombing at the Oscars
Michael Moore showed Chuckie for the idiot he was.
Don't you agree?
so I for one wouldn't use Chuckie's signature line
but you are free as this is America and Mike Bloomberg is a true democratic liberal
Or one could say Regular Soda is Soylent Green.

And wellness is a social issue, therefore a republican/tea/libertarian would have nothing to do with wellness, correct?

I think Adlai vs. the 1stReaganlike Ike was the true showing.

It's like lighting a cigarette in defiance.
And then watching a tv ad where a person is smoking through a hole in their throat.
Real cool isn't it?
Great method of protest dontchathink?
Or a few decades ago, watching a Yul Brynner commercial.
Who you might ask?
youtube it and see.
He could have danced all night (until he died of lung cancer).

Wellness rules.
Anyone who doesn't like the cost of health care should now be into wellness.

Wish they advocated wellness in the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, 1990s but it was few and far between.

As Franklin said "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure".
Give a person a 48 ounce soda and he will guzzle it down
Give a person a 24 ounce soda and he saves 390 calories right there
Drink a diet soda and one saves 780 calories.

Drink a glass or bottle of water and it actually refreshes much better.
If one needs caffeine, a small piece of dark chocolate is healthy and does the trick.(small being the word).

Think of a car and a radiator flush
The body is like that
Which is why they have always said 8 glasses of water a day at least flushes the entire system out.

BTW, you know a president who was known for wellness?
It was JFK and his council on fitness.
Mike Bloomberg is a continuation of what JFK did back in the 1960s.
Did you know that, in the midst of everyone calling Mike Bloomberg one name after another, JFK did the very same thing?

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #101)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:34 PM

104. Thank you for the post.

I don't think Marijuana is healthy, so I suppose we should be for banning that as well? Personally, even if its bad for you, I don't have any problem with an adult smoking it.

For the record, I don't drink any pop, because I don't think its good for my health. But that doesn't mean I want to restrict other peoples choices. (and from the looks of it about 75% of people on DU agree with me.)

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #104)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:48 PM

105. Don't misjudge the ratio

 

Just because some are more vocal, others might not wish to expend capital on this issue
Others might not want to involve themselves in this very thread

Others might be on other threads

And DU has thousands of members.
Most members do not read every single post, as its impossible to do so on such a tremendous board.

So, the ratio MIGHT be accurate for this thread or some others, but that is not necessarily a correct Nate Silver like poll.(for lack of a better poll taker these days).

(and if one takes Mike's name out of it (as he is hated by any of the gunslingers, so anytime his name is mentioned, some gunslingers come running to rail against him personally),
I would suggest in a correctly worded question, (and not with loaded words), the ratio
would reverse to 75% against 48 ounce glasses.



BTW, no one thought a pedestrian mall from 42 to 47th street on Broadway in midtown manhatan would ever happen and be accepted by both drivers and NYers.
And everyone now loves it.
Same with bike lanes

So wellness has been a longtime goal of Mike's. Nothing new. And nothing evil.
NO ulterior motives except for wellness (and guns are a wellness issue also).

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 04:47 PM

88. Link Between Sugar and Increased Cancer Risk


Ten Studies Showing the Link Between Sugar and Increased Cancer Risk


Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/024827_cancer_sugar_women.html#ixzz2METEOKRi

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 04:48 PM

89. Oh yeah, that's the way to do it...

...People LOVE being told what they can eat, drink, etc. They also just love being taxed higher on products they enjoy consuming. Yeah, sure- your ways will have the public soooo appreciative towards whatever party endorses them. Really. They love being told "We know better than you do, so you can't do it your way anymore". You can believe that if you wish.

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 04:56 PM

93. what's more dangerous than sugar?

I bet most of us eat many things a day that are more dangerous than sugar. And we participate in activities that are more dangerous. And we don't participate in things that will lead to worse problems than sugar (i.e. eating veggies, exercise, and medical checkups). If the government can control sugar, I'd argue they can (and should) control anything that's worse. Either by limiting how much we do or requiring more.

What is the proper role of government in making these decisions about our lives? We need to start there, not with a specific example. Maybe the proper role is to send individuals to a special health spa (or health jail) if they are under/over a certain weight. Or maybe it's to set upper limits on sugar/day and lower limits on lima beans/day that we must consume.

If you want to focus on one item at a time rather than the proper role, answer these questions. What is after sugar? And after that? And when does the government stop trying to control our lives for our own good? Or when do we finally say enough if the government doesn't see a limit?

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Response to alc (Reply #93)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 05:04 PM

94. Sometimes, IS is just IS and there IS nothing sinister in IS nothing before or after but IS itself

 

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Response to alc (Reply #93)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 05:07 PM

95. "when does the government stop trying to control our..."-- as pointed out above

 

now that "Health Insurance" is a national priority of the 2 controlling parties (second only to the MIC of course) there is no stopping this train...it has left the station. The conductor will be along any minute for your ticket.

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 05:10 PM

96. Anything is toxic if you consume too much of it.

If a person drinks several sodas a day, eats sweets and other products containing HFCS (a lot of foods do that are NOT sweet), then of course they will have health issues.

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:10 PM

103. It's a limit on single-serving SIZE. Not on freedom to imbibe.

You can drink all the soda you want. You just have to buy a second cup.

It's hardly a limit on your freedoms, people.

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Response to mainer (Reply #103)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 11:37 PM

112. It's the principal of the thing

First of all, what gives the mayor-- of any city-- the right to unilaterally issue an edict that limits the size of a soft drink one may order in a restaurant? Although he may think he is, Bloomberg is not the freaking dictator of New York City.

Second of all, what difference does it make if someone orders two 16-ounce drinks or one 32-ounce drink? It's still 32 ounces.

It's a stupid regulation.

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Response to Art_from_Ark (Reply #112)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 08:15 AM

121. The difference is the psychology of super-sizing

As McDonald's discovered, when their french fry orders were small, people ate the whole thing, but they'd order just one. When McDonald's started super-sizing french fry packets, people would still eat the whole thing. Psychologically, we are programmed to finish our plates and drain our drinks. Make it bigger, and we eat more.

That's the basis behind limiting portion size. You can always order two drinks, but the chances are good you'll be satisfied with a single, smaller serving. It's a small step toward making us think about what we're eating.

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Response to mainer (Reply #121)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 08:21 AM

125. I've always ordered the smaller size drinks, because the larger are just more ice. ;-)

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Response to mainer (Reply #121)

Sat Mar 2, 2013, 11:13 PM

181. How far do you wanna take it?

Why stop at sodas? want to ban cartons of cigarettes? I'm sure smokers would have a major problem with it. But to heck with them, right? Why should they get any say at all? We know what's best for them. Force people to think about how much they smoke. Why should we have to convince people do anything when we can force it on them?
Sex? Limit unmarried people to 3 sexual encounters per year to slow down spreads of STDs and unplanned pregnancy.
Fatty foods? Put everyone on a diet, whether they like it or not. Anyone that resists will be fined/imprisoned.
Dangerous sports will be banned. We want to force people to stay safe.
In the end, everything pleasurable that is the least bit bad for you will be limited, regulated, banned, or made socially unacceptable.
Again, I ask how far do you want to take this? Because there is always someone else that wants to take it farther. And that person will find the power to do it.

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 06:56 AM

116. I'm for a reduction in calories

 

Soda should not be banned but should not contain extreme amounts of sugar and calories, in my view.

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Response to Pancho Schneider (Reply #116)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 08:21 AM

124. Hello Pancho Schneider. I hope you find what you seek here at DU.



In The Wind

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Response to Pancho Schneider (Reply #116)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 08:22 AM

126. And diet soda doesn't.

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 07:51 AM

119. Hey I got a crazy idea

Why don't we get rid of all these food additives? You think all that crap is good for you? They want to limit the sale of soda in restaurants but allow HFCS to continue to be put in these drinks? GMAB! Put real sugar back in products and get rid of all the chemicals they poison us with.

If we went back to before we added all this crap in the food maybe we'd be healthier.

And if you think you're going to make even the slightest dent in obesity by not selling over 16 oz PER serving (I haven't read about limits on servings yet), you're sadly mistaken. This is like saying you can get an ounce of crack at this pharmacy, but the one down the road will sell you any quantity you want. So while I can go to a restaurant, I pay for 16 oz and because I never need more than that during a meal, I'm ok with 16 oz. If I want another 16 oz, I can buy it. But then I leave the restaurant, stop at the local grocery store and buy half a dozen 2 liter bottles to drink as quickly or as slow as I want.

This will not make any difference to obesity rates, it's not being banned. This is just a fat tax, nothing more. It's just a way to tax you more in the guise of the product being bad for you. You think Bloomberg gives a shit about your health? LOL
It's the nanny state who really doesn't care about you, they want more of your money.
If the politicians cared, a company like Monsanto would not exist anymore.

I'm not saying soda is not bad for you. However with moderate use it's no worse than the huge list of other things that are bad for you. You gonna limit or ban all that stuff too?

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 08:20 AM

123. Stores are still selling CHOCOLATE CANDY.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #123)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 08:23 AM

127. And they're still SELLING SODA too.

It's not being banned.

32-oz chocolate bunnies, by the way, aren't usually consumed in one sitting.

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Response to mainer (Reply #127)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 08:25 AM

128. Nobody actually consumes that much soda, either, in one sitting.

The lines to the movie restrooms would be longer than the film's length.

But your point about "not being banned" simply shows the officiousness of Bloomberg's edict.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #128)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 08:28 AM

130. If nobody ever finishes it, then why complain about the new law?

I can't see a reason for anyone complaining if they throw away half the drink anyway.

The problem is, they DO drink it.

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Response to mainer (Reply #130)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 08:38 AM

134. Because of its nature. Because of its "mind-set." Because of its targetting.

It is dangerous precisely because it is ineffective for its purported purpose.

So what is its real purpose?

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #123)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 08:33 AM

131. Oh

the horror!
LOL

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Response to OwnedByCats (Reply #131)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 08:42 AM

136. It's the principle, n'cest-pas?

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #136)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 08:54 AM

138. Yeah

I know, I just thought it was funny lol

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 08:36 AM

133. Party of 4+ people?

Say a family or group of people (business luncheon?) goes to a pizza restaurant. Each person will now have each order their own cup of soda? Usually, buying individual glasses of soda is more expensive than buying a pitcher or bottle when there are a group of people. Having been to many business luncheons and corporate Christmas parties in Manhattan, pitchers of soda, and beer and wine, were bought and put on each table for the employees. What about large group private parties?

Edit: I don't really like soda. It fills me up and I can't finish my meal. I just ask for a cup of water. When a meal includes soda with it, my husband drinks my soda besides his. How does Bloomberg stop something like this from happening?

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 09:44 AM

144. Are the "pro-soda" people here also opposed to seat belts?

That's a true infringement of your rights. It MAKES you do something that ultimately saves lives and health care costs. Why aren't you up in arms about that?

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Response to mainer (Reply #144)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 10:12 AM

150. Not at all - but legislating the choice does'nt help all that much. n/t

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Response to mainer (Reply #144)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 11:58 AM

166. Well since you mentioned it.....

The seat belt law appears pretty innocuous on the surface.

But now that states have expanded the seat belt law to be used as a primary enforcement tool, the police can pull you over at any time because "it didn't appear that" the driver was wearing their seat belt. Profiling and harassment hide under the cover of the seat belt law. And let's not forget the Insurance companies that backed the law, profit from the surcharges and and hiked fees for seatbelt violators.

The soda debate is not about the right to a Big-Gulp, but about another incremental intrusion by government into the average persons life. Superficially the law itself seems tame. What will happen as it is implemented? How will enforcement be? Will the soda squad be able to pull surprise inspections? Will they be testing beer pitchers for traces of corn syrup? Will the police be pulling over Domino's drivers and search the car for the hidden 2 litre bottle? Will operating permits be jeopardized?

Every law takes on an ever expansive life of it's own.

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Response to mainer (Reply #144)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 03:49 PM

169. It's not "pro soda" it's pro freedom from punks like bloomie the billionaire

 

and their ever more "helpful" laws

Purplehazed above nails it.

If someone like blooomie scrutinizes your life who knows what he will come up with "for your own good".

Dara has a message for Bloomie and anyone else that wants to tell everyone else what to do:

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 09:53 AM

145. As much as I am an advocate for healthy living

I feel like it's a bit heavy handed for government to actually step in and push initiatives that eliminate certain food choices, sizes, etc. Sure, we don't want food that's (literally) laced with poisons, bacteria, and other harmful things that can actually do severe damage to our bodies (and in much shorter order) and I want government to be there making sure that businesses don't put unsafe food out on the market just so that they can make a quick buck. I would prefer that, as far as unhealthy (but non-lethal) food choices go, I'd rather that government focus on providing us with research and information that help us make informed choices about our diets, as well as help ensure that healthy alternatives are always available. I don't agree with the government arbitrarily taking dietary choices away from us, however well-intentioned it may be.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #145)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 09:36 PM

177. Yeah they don't ban those poisons in our foods so why ban serving sizes?

FDA is useless!
They allow so much crap on the market & we wonder why there's so much cancer & other illnesses from these carcinogens they let through.

People have a right to live "healthy" or "non-healthy" so long as they don't infringe on the rights of others when they do it.
You have a brain & you can make a choice.

Government's job is to stop businesses from putting inherently detrimental products on the market to be chosen from.
Direct poisons.
But if you do ANYTHING in excess it can become poisonous to the body.
That doesn't make it inherently detrimental.
Even water can poison you if you drink too much of it.
Sugar is natural & is not a direct poison.

So making a big deal about some serving sizes of soda which contains a form of sugar is just grandstanding.
Makes me wonder if Bloomberg did it on behalf of some business interests who were threatened by certain vendors.
I don't live in New York so I don't know the details.
It damn sure ain't for health purposes.
John Lucas

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #145)

Sat Mar 2, 2013, 03:00 PM

179. So should governments also drop laws that ban overnight alcohol sales,

if "my body my choice" is to be respected throughout the law? For example my state bans alcohol sales between hours of 2-6am. I think laws like the NYC soda size curb exist elsewhere in some form.

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Response to alp227 (Reply #179)

Sat Mar 2, 2013, 10:12 PM

180. Soda does not equal Alcohol

I think that there is a discernible difference, don't you? Know anybody who has died and/or killed others while driving under the influence of Soda in the middle of the night?

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 09:59 AM

148. Having traveled extensively in Europe

where an 8-oz serving of soda is the norm (even their bottles and cans are smaller), I find it pretty hilarious that Americans are up in arms about someone taking away their 32-oz soda servings. This is what symbolizes American freedom, I guess.

Then again, Europeans have true freedom from worry about their health care.

I guess we know which freedom Americans really care about.

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 10:16 AM

151. I don't need the government regulating common goods

 

Sugar is better than artificial sweeteners anyway.

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 10:20 AM

152. This is what I think stores should do with his illegal law:

 

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 10:23 AM

153. Thank you for this OP.

Last edited Fri Mar 1, 2013, 11:04 AM - Edit history (1)

As I read through your OP, and all the responses herein above, I wondered:

What if Bloomberg pushed this agenda in order to create the controversy that motivates dialogs like this, AND facilitates awareness of the risks associated with consumption of refined sugar?

Like another DUer upthread, I've spent a lifetime combating obesity and poor eating habits. For the first half of my adult life, medical professionals almost never addressed my health as it related to nutrition. I was told to push away from the table (duh, why didn't I think of that?!?), exercise and go on a (the dreaded 'D' word) diet.

For more than twenty years, I tried every diet I could afford, to no avail.

Then, I read Sugar Blues by William Dufty and I had an Epiphany! Here was someone writing about something I ate in terms of the consequences of said consumption. It was my first step in recognizing that my body doesn't tolerate sugar at all. Luckily, I had "taken steps" that put me among people who understood, and one of them observed that all of our bodies are different -- what works for one person might not work for the next.

Still, the biggest gift Sugar Blues gave me is the awareness that it is inadvisable to eat everything presented by the corporate food manufacturers as safe and nutritious.

Now, I know what works for me. I no longer eat sugar or hydrogenated oils. Yesterday marked my first year as a Vegan. All of my current eating habits have been shaped by research -- and by dialogs like this one. Like others upthread, I am strongly in favor of disseminating information about sugar, hydrogenated oils, GMOs, and the host of other victuals with which corporate megalomaniacs keep us addicted, sedated, and unhealthy.

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 10:24 AM

154. Sugar is toxic

All extra calories no nutrition. No protein, no vitamins, no minerals. Zero.
But high fructose corn syrup is poison to the body. That's what most soda pop has in it. The body doesn't recognise corn syrup as a real sugar, so the pancrease does not make insulin to manage taking the sugar into the cells for use.

Corn syrup free floats in the blood stream until it is burned or it is laid down as yellow belly fat to later.
It is poison!!!

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Response to libodem (Reply #154)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 11:02 AM

160. Low blood sugar has apparently impeded your brain function.

That's what it does... Complex carbs are better for you, but they are still carbs, and you still need them. Your liver will make sugar from fat if you really need it, but the process (aceoketosis) is hard on the liver, and has some toxic side effects (production of acetone, aka paint thinner).
Balance, moderation, and portion control are FAR more effective means of assuring a healthy diet than phobic fear of one food component.

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Response to Mopar151 (Reply #160)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 11:20 AM

161. Thanks for your concern about my blood glucose

Yeah, a bowl of oatmeal will sustain a plateau rather than a spike, like when one eats a Mars bar. The sugar tends to raise straight up then plummet straight down, leaving one tired and looking for another way to jump the BG back up.

There has been a sustained campaign to promote high fructose corn syrup as the same as 'sugar', but it is not the same. It is worse.

PS, just cuz you may not like what I have to say, you don't have to be crappy to me. No more metaphorical middle finger, or I'll alert. Just sayin'.

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Response to libodem (Reply #161)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 11:25 AM

162. Try facts. all Im sayin.

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Response to Mopar151 (Reply #160)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 11:27 AM

163. So we need 32-ounce sodas to keep up our blood sugar?

Just like we need 10,000 calories a day to keep from starving?

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Response to mainer (Reply #163)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 02:58 PM

168. As I understand it , serving me 12 oz of soda and 12 oz of ice in a cup is illegal.

Without knowing my circumstances, or metabolisim, it's just dumb. As is setting a serving size based on carbonation, without consideration of sugar content, if you truly need to control sugar.

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 10:49 AM

157. Tab and a candy bar

Every morning at break - and the guy looked like Bubba Smith on "Storage Wars Texas". The thing is - regulation of one part of the diet will NOT solve diet problems. A can of Bar-B-Q Pringles and 2 Diet Cokes or my 1 Pepsi with ice and a roast beef sandwich - who's gonna have some gas left in the tank in 3 hours? How are their A1C's gonna look?

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 10:53 AM

158. Yeah, but it is not

the govt's right to tell us what we can and cannot drink. If someone wants to get a large soda, let them. It's a free country

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Response to srican69 (Original post)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 08:35 PM

175. BS. Sugar is not toxic.

That article, however, is a good example of bad science reporting.

The actual study in question says nothing at all about sugar being "toxic", despite the exaggerated, melodramatic second-hand rewording of the study by author Mark Bittman.

The study shows that an excess of sugar in the diet corresponds to an increased risk of diabetes. The study also show how the increased risk of diabetes is specific to sugar since weight gained in a low-sugar diet doesn't carry the same diabetic risk.

Isn't that bad enough? Isn't that enough to warn people to pay attention to the sugar content in their diet, without the hyperbole?

This is how obnoxious memes get started and propagated. The first line of the article will be what people remember and repeat like a mantra. The more reasoned and moderate corrections in the comments that follow the article will have minimal impact.

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