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Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:23 PM

 

so what is the process for the new pope elections

from the last time I remember something about specific color of smoke and a lot of privacy

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Reply so what is the process for the new pope elections (Original post)
sad-cafe Feb 2013 OP
Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #1
sad-cafe Feb 2013 #3
hrmjustin Feb 2013 #7
oldhippydude Feb 2013 #17
hrmjustin Feb 2013 #20
MADem Feb 2013 #9
upaloopa Feb 2013 #2
hrmjustin Feb 2013 #4
sad-cafe Feb 2013 #8
hrmjustin Feb 2013 #14
sad-cafe Feb 2013 #24
Mz Pip Feb 2013 #38
Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #15
RedCappedBandit Feb 2013 #28
hrmjustin Feb 2013 #32
Skink Feb 2013 #36
sad-cafe Feb 2013 #21
hrmjustin Feb 2013 #23
sad-cafe Feb 2013 #25
hrmjustin Feb 2013 #27
MADem Feb 2013 #5
sad-cafe Feb 2013 #12
Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #19
MADem Feb 2013 #37
applegrove Feb 2013 #6
Bigbluebrush Feb 2013 #10
NightWatcher Feb 2013 #11
snooper2 Feb 2013 #13
sad-cafe Feb 2013 #16
hrmjustin Feb 2013 #22
sad-cafe Feb 2013 #18
hrmjustin Feb 2013 #26
sad-cafe Feb 2013 #29
hrmjustin Feb 2013 #31
sad-cafe Feb 2013 #33
hrmjustin Feb 2013 #35
DURHAM D Feb 2013 #30
sad-cafe Feb 2013 #34

Response to sad-cafe (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:24 PM

1. They lock the cardinals into a room until they send white smoke

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:26 PM

3. and they are voting on candidates?

 

are there specific qualifications?

Is there no media during this process?

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Response to sad-cafe (Reply #3)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:29 PM

7. No media is allowed and the check for bugs.

No campaigning is allowed as well.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #7)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:36 PM

17. no poperatzi ?

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Response to oldhippydude (Reply #17)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:37 PM

20. no.

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Response to sad-cafe (Reply #3)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:29 PM

9. No media, no cellphones, no nothing. A bunch of guys in isolation. With red hats. nt

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Response to sad-cafe (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:25 PM

2. I think all the Cardinals are cloistered and vote twice a day. the color of the smoke tells those

outside if they have elected a new pope.

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Response to sad-cafe (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:28 PM

4. The cardinals go into the Sistine Chapel and have four ballots a day.

two in the morning and two in the afternoon. When someone reaches 2/3 of the vote he is elected pope. He is then asked if he accepts, and if he is a bishop he becomes pope the moment he accepts. If he is not a bishop he is ordained by the dean of the college of cardinals. He is asked his new name, and they record it in their files. White smoke goes up the chimney and about 30-40 minutes later a cardinal announces the name of the new pope and he than comes unto the balcony to give his blessings.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #4)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:29 PM

8. so they have to be "on the right track" cardinals/bishops ect?

 

it can't be anyone not in leadership in the church?

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Response to sad-cafe (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:34 PM

14. Any baptized catholic male can be elected pope.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #14)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:52 PM

24. which is greater in rank

 

bishop or cardinal?

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Response to sad-cafe (Reply #24)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:51 AM

38. Cardinal

They vote until they have a winner. After each ballot smoke tells the anxiously awaiting faithful the results. Black smoke means no pope yet. White smoke means they have a winner!

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Response to sad-cafe (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:35 PM

15. A lay person could be elected

highly unlikely but could happen

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #15)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:03 AM

28. Has it ever, do you know?

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Response to RedCappedBandit (Reply #28)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:11 AM

32. The last layman was elected in the 16th or 17th century.

There was once a string of three layman elected in a row. It was more common for deacons to be elected pope.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #32)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:41 AM

36. When I was in little league I got traded from the Cardinals to the Yanks.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #4)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:41 PM

21. has it taken many votes

 

before? are there front runners?

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Response to sad-cafe (Reply #21)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:45 PM

23. In the past 200 years it has never gone past 14 ballots. JPII won on the 8th ballot with 90-99

votes. Benedict won on the forth ballot with 84 votes.
Yes there are frontrunners. The cardinals from Milan, Venice, Quebec, Ghana, and one or two from Latin America.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #23)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:54 PM

25. so it is very much a huge ordeal

 

they take very seriously.


What types of things are they looking at? Past positions, scandals ect?

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Response to sad-cafe (Reply #25)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:57 PM

27. They know everything there is to know on all the cardinals. The reason Benedict became pope is

because he knew all the secrets. They look at cardinals who have organizing skills, pastoral abilities, personalities, and what the church needs at that moment.

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Response to sad-cafe (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:28 PM

5. Lock 'em up, they vote, if they don't have a consensus, they burn the ballots

and throw something in there to make the smoke black.



When they have a consensus, the smoke comes out white.



It's impossible to get around anywhere near Saint Peter's, and not much work gets done in Rome to say nothing of much of Italy.

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Response to MADem (Reply #5)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:33 PM

12. a lot of pagentry

 

what is the meaning behind it?

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Response to sad-cafe (Reply #12)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:37 PM

19. the Church loves their symbols ........

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Response to sad-cafe (Reply #12)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:47 AM

37. Well, I think you'd probably have to ask them. I think it's a load of tradition,

made messy by the fact that the Old Pope ain't dead. All he's gonna do is take off his red shoes and go live in the convent behind the Main Store.

The real pageantry happens when a Pope dies. Then we're treated to some great music--the Gregorian chants are something to hear, very hypnotic and musical. So, we're kind of getting ripped off because this guy ain't dead, and it's hard to know what kind of funeral he'll get when he does shuffle off. I doubt it'll get covered on all networks like the last Pope's Big Farewell.

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Response to sad-cafe (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:29 PM

6. When they have chosen the new pop, the smoke that comes out of the sistene chapel

from burning ballots goes from black to white.

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Response to sad-cafe (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:30 PM

10. Republicans require voter ID and poll tax

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Response to sad-cafe (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:30 PM

11. Instead of at the Vatican, they are meeting at Hedonism II resort in Jamaica

It's all part of the old Pope's going away party and the new Pope selection process.

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Response to sad-cafe (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:34 PM

13. a game of jump rope, some hawk poo, 47 brass nails and a pint of Adrenochrome are required

If I remember correctly...

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Response to sad-cafe (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:35 PM

16. are specific people invited?

 

have there been "hold-outs" or filibusters? Is it pretty much a given who will be the next pope?

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Response to sad-cafe (Reply #16)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:41 PM

22. the top contenders usually have to get elected within the first 5 ballots or it is unlikely they

will be elected. After that it could be anybody. There used to be a Royal veto from the crown heads of Europe, but that is no longer possible. Only the cardinals can make the choice and as long as the vote goes along Vatican law it can not be contested.

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Response to sad-cafe (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:37 PM

18. I find the whole thing fascinating if a bit archaic

 

has it always been this way?

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Response to sad-cafe (Reply #18)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:54 PM

26. Most of it was developed over the past 1000 years.

The cardinals represent the clergy of Rome and the world. What makes the pope the pope is the fact he is Bishop of Rome. Roman Catholics believe the Bishop of Rome is the vicar of Peter. Most of the traditions of the last 1000 years concerning the elections were borne out of the fact they were trying to prevent fraud. It did not always work out. The first 800 years of Christianity the popes were selected by the people and clergy of Rome. That gradually changed as the popes gained more power and as powerful families wanted the papacy for themselves.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #26)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:04 AM

29. thank you. This is very interesting information

 

I remember some of the last election but not the particular votes and qualifications.

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Response to sad-cafe (Reply #29)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:08 AM

31. Benedicts main opposition came from the retired Archbishop of Milan and he said no

before the conclave. his second opponent was from Argentina, but he said he was supporting Benedict.

The Sistine chapel is sealed during the balloting and the cardinals can not have any contact from the outside world.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #31)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:11 AM

33. so typically it will be within a week or two

 

and a new pope will be named? Then is there a ceremony introducing the new pope

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Response to sad-cafe (Reply #33)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:16 AM

35. Most likely the conclave will start by the end of next week or the monday of the following week.

When elected they announce the name about an hour later from St peters balcony. A week later he will have his inauguration when he gets his ring and pallium. The election will likely take no more that 2-3 days.

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Response to sad-cafe (Reply #18)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:04 AM

30. Yes. Here is the wiki entry for the College of Cardinals.

117 members will be voting. Cardinals over 80 can not participate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_Cardinals

JPII and Ratzinger have pushed out any voices that have shown an interest in moving the Vatican into the 14th century so do not expect anything but more of the same as regards the role the church has played in protecting pedophiles, allowing priests to marry, etc. Also, read the foreign press if you are interested in the process or politics at play.


ETA: You may want to research which U.S. President established full diplomatic relations with the Vatican against the advice of his own Sec. of State.

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #30)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:12 AM

34. sounds like I have some research to do

 

thank you all for the information

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