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Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:18 PM

US Horsemeat Producers Await ‘Giddyup’

WASHINGTON, February 27 (By Carl Schreck for RIA Novosti) – As the horsemeat scandal gallops across Europe, ensnaring Swedish furniture giant IKEA for equine traces in its meatballs, and exporters of sausage to Russia, a handful of US entrepreneurs are waiting for Washington to open the starting gate and allow them to slaughter horses for human consumption.

“I’ve had calls from no less than a dozen restaurants in New York and across the country telling me, ‘We want horsemeat as soon as we can get it,’” said Dave Duquette, a horse trainer who heads the Oregon-based group United Horsemen, which advocates for domestic US horsemeat production.

“These are upper-end restaurants,” added Duquette, who said he works with four plants seeking to begin slaughtering horses in the United States.

The last horse-slaughtering plant in the United States was shut down in 2007 following a federal ban on the practice. But the US government lifted the ban in 2011 following a report by the US Government Accountability Office (GAO) that said the horses were simply being sent across the border to Canada or Mexico to be killed for pet food or human consumption.


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Reply US Horsemeat Producers Await ‘Giddyup’ (Original post)
FarCenter Feb 2013 OP
pipoman Feb 2013 #1
Nanjing to Seoul Feb 2013 #2
Hugabear Feb 2013 #4
Nanjing to Seoul Feb 2013 #6
LWolf Feb 2013 #7
Hugabear Feb 2013 #13
LWolf Mar 2013 #20
OwnedByCats Mar 2013 #21
theKed Mar 2013 #22
LWolf Mar 2013 #23
theKed Mar 2013 #24
LWolf Mar 2013 #25
theKed Mar 2013 #27
LWolf Mar 2013 #31
Go Vols Mar 2013 #28
theKed Mar 2013 #29
MineralMan Mar 2013 #30
LWolf Mar 2013 #32
Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #3
Javaman Feb 2013 #10
Codeine Mar 2013 #33
Mojorabbit Mar 2013 #34
cbrer Feb 2013 #5
Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #8
Aerows Feb 2013 #11
Orrex Feb 2013 #9
Aerows Feb 2013 #12
Revanchist Feb 2013 #14
geek tragedy Feb 2013 #15
JaneyVee Feb 2013 #16
JaneyVee Feb 2013 #17
Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2013 #18
James48 Feb 2013 #19
rdharma Mar 2013 #26

Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:44 AM

1. A four legged herbavore...why not?

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Response to pipoman (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:57 AM

2. I don't understand your reply. Care to explain?

 

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Response to Nanjing to Seoul (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 01:54 AM

4. We eat cows, why not horses?

Other than it's a cultural taboo, is there any rational reason why eating cows should be okay, but not horses?

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Response to Hugabear (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 06:19 AM

6. I see no problems with that. I'm in China. They eat donkeys.

 

Koreans eat dogs.

Food is food.

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Response to Hugabear (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 08:23 AM

7. It's a good cultural taboo.

Horses were domesticated to be working partners. We teach them to trust us and work for and with us. If it's okay to eat them, then it's okay to eat your kids or your coworkers. Or your dogs and cats.

And none of those are okay.

When humans have working relationships with an animal, that animal is not prey. I propose that those who think it's okay to eat family members and partners slaughter and eat each other.

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Response to LWolf (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 08:59 PM

13. Bullshit

You can't seriously compare eating other species of animals to cannibalism.

There are parts of the world where horses and dogs are eaten. There are places where guinea pigs are eaten regularly. Are those places less civilized?

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Response to Hugabear (Reply #13)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 08:16 AM

20. Yes, I seriously can,

when those other species are your partners and/or your family.

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Response to LWolf (Reply #20)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 08:24 AM

21. I also have quite

the aversion to the thought of eating horse. I once had a horse as a pet. To me that's like eating my cats or dogs. No thanks.

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Response to LWolf (Reply #7)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 08:33 AM

22. Not the same

Cannibalism is not in the same ballpark as eating an animal species. Hell, it's not even in the same solar system.

Cattle have served dual purpose as work and food animals, for example. Eating beef, or pork, or chicken but not eating horse is an arbitrary cultural distinction that serves no purpose. Plus it's delicious.

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Response to theKed (Reply #22)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 08:52 AM

23. I disagree.

Species doesn't matter when it comes to relationship. Horses are partners, sometimes pets, often family members.

For example, the line of horses out in my barn right now have been in the family since 1945. I was there to bring them all into the world, I raised them, and I taught them.

One of the first things taught to a young horse is to trust humans. Eating them is a violation of that trust, and a violation of the partnership relationship we've had since they were domesticated.

"Arbitrary cultural distinctions" are uniquely human. I'd feed you to the local coyotes before I'd feed you horse; they don't have any, and my arbitrary cultural distinctions aren't species centric. If it's okay to eat your partners and your family members, then it's okay to feed them to others.

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Response to LWolf (Reply #23)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 09:23 AM

24. Are you of the impression

that a pig doesn't trust a farmer? Or a cow, chicken, duck, sheep, or any other animal that is born and raised by humans? Your arbitrary cultural distinction is just that, arbitrary - whether by species or role. Horses raised for food are not raised in the same way as horses raised for work and neither is the way they are raised to race.

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Response to theKed (Reply #24)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 09:27 AM

25. I live rurally.

I am surrounded by farms, farmers, and ranchers. Not factory farms; small farms and ranches. My impressions are formed first-hand.

Since you asked.

You can try to rationalize it all you like. It doesn't negate the moral and ethical realities.

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Response to LWolf (Reply #25)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 09:40 AM

27. "Realities"

The reality is that it is an animal, it is edible. Anything beyond that is expendable sentiment. If it (somehow) came down to you, me, and that horse starving to death, that horse is a goner.

I love and greatly respect pigs. They are magnificent creatures. That respect extends to the butcher block, making sure to use every bit of that pig in the best way I can. But a workhorse is no good for eating - it is better suited for labour, so I wouldnt remove it from that role when there's plenty of other options.

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Response to theKed (Reply #27)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 07:53 PM

31. That reality

includes humans. As I said, if it's okay to eat your partners, friends, and family, then it's okay to eat your partners, friends, and family, regardless of species.

I don't think that's okay.

I've heard that pigs are smart and personable; the only pigs I've ever met were at a distant family member's pig farm in the midwest. I visited once, and was taken on a tour. It was a matter of great hilarity that a sow bigger than I snuck up on me and ripped my coat right off my back.

Those pigs, the only pigs I've ever seen outside the county fair, were not partners, friends, or family.

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Response to theKed (Reply #24)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 10:01 AM

28. I grew up on a farm

and turned alot of cows and hogs into pets which we later killed and eat.Never had the opportunity to eat horse,but it wouldn't bother me.

I have a hog named pork chop and a calf named meatloaf every year that gets eaten.

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Response to Go Vols (Reply #28)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 10:12 AM

29. I appreciate your opinion

I agree with it. It's very possible to care for and respect an animal raised for food. I would wager that pork tastes multitudes better than store-bought for that reason.

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Response to LWolf (Reply #7)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 11:01 AM

30. Cattle were also used as working animals.

The ox was, and is still in many places, an important working animal. What is an ox? A castrated bull. And yet, we ate beef when we were using oxen. We're still eating beef. Cows are raised for milk, too. They, too, are working animals.

The real reason we don't eat horses in the US is that most horses today are kept as pets, not working animals. Pets. In the US, we don't eat our pets, as a rule.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #30)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 07:56 PM

32. That's true.

I don't eat beef. I DO eat buffalo every once in awhile.

There have been riots over the issue of eating beef in India.

It's a damned good rule, that we don't eat our pets, or our friends, family, and partners in the U.S..

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 01:43 AM

3. I hope it never happens

It would break my heart if it became commonplace and these magnificent animals were then raised on factory farms. It would be a travesty.

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Response to Mojorabbit (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:04 AM

10. Cows and bulls are equally magnificent, yet we eat them.

So are raccoons, squirrels, pigs, goats, lambs, chickens etc.

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Response to Mojorabbit (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 08:00 PM

33. How is a horse any more magnificent than a bull?

Or a moose or an elk or a friggin' pig for that matter? And why exactly is the line drawn at "majestic"?

If a person is willing to eat one animal then it is patently silly for that person to make judgments about the eating of other animals, assuming they aren't endangered. If eating one class of animals is wrong then eating ANY animal is wrong or you're just making up utterly arbitrary boundaries based on nothing at all.

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Response to Codeine (Reply #33)

Sat Mar 2, 2013, 12:17 AM

34. Of course it isn't!

I never stated any differently. LOL.
In wildlife rehab we joke about it all the time. I specialize in rabbits (eastern cottontail and Florida marsh) and can't imagine eating any kind of rabbit anymore.
People who specialize in other animals learn how unique and intelligent they all are and feel the same.
I do eat cows though I think they are neat but I have not spent a lot of time around them. I have a totally different feeling towards horses and just could not.
Just being a quirky human being here.
Peace, Mojo

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 01:58 AM

5. Expect Beef farmers to

 

Start paying politicians to object to this. Lobbyists will be gleeful indeed.

Wall Street is already hedging bets, playing both sides for profit, and licking their chops. Both figuratively and literally.

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 08:25 AM

8. Think of the promos Golden Corral could dream up!

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #8)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:21 AM

11. LOL

That was bad... but hilarious.

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 08:36 AM

9. Have they done a gallop poll on this yet?

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Response to Orrex (Reply #9)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:21 AM

12. LMAO!

That was even worse

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:38 PM

14. After 20 years in the military

After 20 years in the military with plenty of port stops through out the Mediterranean as well as Asian I've probably eaten a lot worse than horse. I think it was Singapore where I saw a restaurant with deer penis soup, I passed on that dish.

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:44 PM

15. Mr Fed. nt

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:46 PM

16. My kingdom for an IKEA meatball.

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:48 PM

17. Coming to a neigh-borhood near you.

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 10:21 PM

18. I think my local supermarket's stewing beef is horse

it is very strong tasting and may be horse.

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 10:29 PM

19. Note- may contain traces of beef.

New, from Ikea.

Sweedish Horseballs. Only $2.95



Note: May contain traces of beef.


Nu bij de Ikea!

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 09:36 AM

26. Soon to open in New Mexico

 

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