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Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:09 PM

In Blind Poll, Republicans Choose Progressive Budget Solutions Over Their Own Party's

When the Business Insider polled registered voters and asked for their preferences among three Congressional plans floated to avoid the looming "sequestration" cuts in Washington, they found that when stripped of their partisan labels, the policies most favorable to the majority were those offered by the progressive wing of the Democratic caucus.

The poll found that in addition to beating the House Republican plan and the Senate Democrat's plan overall, "more than half of respondents supported compared to sequestration and a fifth of respondents were opposed."

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To describe the poll's approach, the Insider explains: "Surveys have found that asking people about just titles of plans or telling people who proposed policy, changes the results, so the point of this poll was to see what people thought of the plans when they were fully explained, but also stripped of partisan labels."

In fact, without the proper labels, the poll found that a majority of Republican respondents rejected the official plan put forward by the House GOP leadership.

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/02/27-7

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Zephie Feb 2013 OP
tpsbmam Feb 2013 #1
patrice Feb 2013 #2
freshwest Feb 2013 #3
woo me with science Feb 2013 #4
SpartanDem Feb 2013 #5
dreamnightwind Feb 2013 #6
Volaris Feb 2013 #7
drmeow Feb 2013 #8
TheKentuckian Feb 2013 #11
ChaoticTrilby Feb 2013 #9
Beartracks Feb 2013 #10
RC Feb 2013 #38
msongs Feb 2013 #12
Zoeisright Feb 2013 #13
KittyWampus Feb 2013 #24
frylock Feb 2013 #35
RobertEarl Feb 2013 #14
Skittles Feb 2013 #15
phantom power Feb 2013 #16
bluestate10 Feb 2013 #28
Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2013 #17
loudsue Feb 2013 #18
Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #20
bvar22 Feb 2013 #19
frylock Feb 2013 #36
Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #43
woo me with science Feb 2013 #21
Dryvinwhileblind Feb 2013 #23
progressoid Feb 2013 #31
WillyT Feb 2013 #22
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2013 #25
limpyhobbler Feb 2013 #26
socialist_n_TN Feb 2013 #32
woo me with science Feb 2013 #33
frylock Feb 2013 #37
FiveGoodMen Feb 2013 #27
grahamhgreen Feb 2013 #29
annabanana Feb 2013 #30
frylock Feb 2013 #34
SpartanDem Feb 2013 #47
Kennah Feb 2013 #39
Wounded Bear Feb 2013 #40
Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #44
truebluegreen Feb 2013 #41
geek tragedy Feb 2013 #42
Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #45
bullwinkle428 Feb 2013 #46
madfloridian Mar 2013 #48
markpkessinger Mar 2013 #49
BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2013 #50

Response to Zephie (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:11 PM

1. Happy to be the first K&R here! Nt

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Response to Zephie (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:29 PM

2. KICKING!

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Response to Zephie (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:37 PM

3. This is the first I've seen it, thanks Zephie! The progressive policies work for all but the 1%...

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Response to Zephie (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:09 AM

4. K&R

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Response to Zephie (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:14 AM

5. They always do

until they find out it's not their parties plan.

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Response to Zephie (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:16 AM

6. Progressive policies are preferred, but never on the table

"The results not only disprove (once again) the common refrain that the the US is a "centrist" country, but also speak to the deeper, and possibly more intractable problem: that the best and most attractive ideas to voters and regular people are seemingly the ones most sidelined by the elites who control our money-dominated media and govern our money-dominated democracy."

The 2-headed money party and the corporate media make sure we never get to consider the real solutions to our problems. This is why the party needs to move left, it's where the solutions to our problems are.

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Response to Zephie (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:48 AM

7. I live in St. Louis, ...

and I've been thinking that a lot of self-professed "conservatives" around here are actually a lot more liberal than they have been led to believe. I find I have to dig a bit for it, but when it comes down to Brass Tacks actually being made of Brass, they agree with my liberal ass more than they don't. It's the Conservative Media Bubble and the ideas that the local Preachers put into their heads that need excorsing, but once that's done, they see the light. A LOT of what we agree on seems to be a raging hatred of the Corporate Powerbase, BTW. The real Con's (and seemingly, some Dems's even) in America havent figured out yet that the Next Generational Fight isn't about Government vs. The People, it's about The PEOPLE'S GOVERNMENT vs. THE CORPORATE STATE.

I don't know about the rest of the country (and there are always die-hard stupids), but around here, after the pounding they got in the last election, the FoxNooze Kool-Aid seems to taste a little off to a lot of them...

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Response to Zephie (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:59 AM

8. This extends a number of findings

in political science/political psychology/economics that the American people have been consistently left of center on average and that we want an economic system which is much further to the left than we currently have.

Republicans can't win unless they lie, demonize, divide and conquer, focus on extreme social issues, and demonize. Unfortunately they are masters at all those things.

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Response to drmeow (Reply #8)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 01:21 AM

11. TeaPubliKlans also benefit from the absence of an opposing message

There is a counter but it is substantially a lite version of the same.

Most folks have probably heard little to nothing of the progressive budget, it sure as hell is what Democrats are selling.
The beneficial ideas are discussed only in corners and if you try to push our own guys get you locked up.

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Response to Zephie (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 01:00 AM

9. K&R

A lot of self-described "Republicans" don't really know what they're allying themselves with, seems to me. The Faux News Bubble leads them astray. My knee-jerk reaction is to scream for abolishing the party system but, of course, that would have its own complications. Better to promote education and the spread of awareness, I suppose.

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Response to Zephie (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 01:11 AM

10. So glad to hear this. I've always believed that too many people...

... rely on the (R) or (D) to determine if something is "bad" or "good."

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Response to Beartracks (Reply #10)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 08:23 PM

38. You are correct.

 

Parts of DU can be living proof of that.

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Response to Zephie (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:21 AM

12. now if we could get elected dems to approve progressive budget solutions instead of going along with

the republican agenda

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Response to Zephie (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:32 AM

13. That's not surprising, but it sure does prove

that repukes are fucking stupid.

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Response to Zoeisright (Reply #13)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 06:07 PM

24. Yet they manage to skew things in their direction. Maybe not so stupid after all.

Maybe the left is stupid in its own way… for not being able to leverage public support for policies.

Stupid not best word here. Maybe… lacking in strategy?

Certainly lacking in money. We can't compete when it comes to capacity to spend millions on advertising.

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Response to Zoeisright (Reply #13)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 07:52 PM

35. some democrats are none to bright either..

plenty of folks on this site like to do their little center-right song and dance routine.

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Response to Zephie (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:49 AM

14. I don't know what the plan is

If I knew what the plan was that most people favored, I could use that. We all could.

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Response to Zephie (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 04:38 AM

15. of course they do

that's why republicans have to suppress the vote to win

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Response to Zephie (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 10:24 AM

16. Democratic party planks have blind-polled in the majority for years

There's a lot going on with that, but it's one reason the GOP feeds the racism in its constituency - when racists start thinking about "the wrong people" benefiting from liberal policies, it causes them to blow a circuit and vote against their own best interest, because anything is better than watching their tax money go to help poor non-beige people.

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Response to phantom power (Reply #16)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 06:40 PM

28. One of the historical dirty secrets, and I don't understand why democrats tolerate it,

is that democratic policies have overwhelmingly been better for economic growth elevation of people economically since the days of Wilson, and this is true even when the fact that democrats once tolerated segregation is taken into account.

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Response to Zephie (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 11:21 AM

17. Now if we could only get the Democratic Establishment to start advocating progressive ideas

instead of playing lily-livered "moderate" all the time and disrespecting the few Washington Democrats who still hold progressive ideals...

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Response to Zephie (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 11:27 AM

18. We need to get copies of the poll and make it go viral to show people what they're being fed

Not label it. Just show the answers, and then ask...who votes for what we want? And who is lying about it?

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Response to Zephie (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:47 PM

19. In blind polls,

...a wide majority of Americans prefer the policies of Dennis Kucinich and the "Fringe Left Wing'.




“Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.”
― Oscar Wilde


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Response to bvar22 (Reply #19)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 07:54 PM

36. yep. that blindness is not exclusive to republicans..

there are plenty of centrist democrats that can't see the forest.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #19)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 10:16 PM

43. Perception is all that matters,

 

when your audience is enthralled.

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Response to Zephie (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 01:03 PM

21. This is why portraying the calls for austerity as legitimate political discourse

is insane.

What they really are, is propaganda to enable theft from the unwilling many by a tyrannical few.

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #21)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 06:04 PM

23. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #21)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 07:26 PM

31. ^^^+1^^^

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Response to Zephie (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 04:52 PM

22. HUGE K & R !!!


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Response to Zephie (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 06:10 PM

25. Sounds like the Pepsi challenge

But point taken. Most conservatives representatives these are little more than automatons who won't do anything but what their corporate masters tell them to.

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Response to Zephie (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 06:11 PM

26. I bet Democrats would also choose progressive budget solutions over their own party's

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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #26)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 07:32 PM

32. THIS!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

So true limp, so true!

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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #26)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 07:42 PM

33. +10000000

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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #26)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 07:55 PM

37. word up

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Response to Zephie (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 06:31 PM

27. Year after year, decade after decade

And it doesn't do us a bit of good.

They still vote for the bad guys.

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Response to Zephie (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 06:55 PM

29. This is why the THINK TANK crowd is wrong. (but maybe they really don't care anyway)

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Response to Zephie (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 07:01 PM

30. It takes a massive apparatus to maintain the illusion

and to keep the people in line.

Thant you MSM!

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Response to Zephie (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 07:49 PM

34. but but but we're a center-right nation!!1

sure we are, until you poll people on SPECIFIC policy. then it turns out we're ALL just a bunch of commie socialist marxist buddhist muslins.

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Response to frylock (Reply #34)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 11:10 PM

47. We are until the Republicans say "do you know who's going get that stuff...

lazy brown people in big cities" The racist go from commie liberals to free market loving uber-capitalist.

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Response to Zephie (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:07 PM

39. In a blind taste test, zombies found that GOP brains taste like shit.

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Response to Zephie (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:19 PM

40. It's like Obamacare....

people 'hated' the overall bill......but loved all of the particulars in it.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #40)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 10:17 PM

44. Really had to jump to miss that point.

 


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Response to Zephie (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 10:09 PM

41. It would be nice if the pathetic losers known as the mainstream media

were capable of and willing to cover all the stories out there, so that the citizenry could be INFORMED and actually make SMART CHOICES.

But nooooo.....

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Response to Zephie (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 10:12 PM

42. Partisanship can make people stupid. nt

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Response to Zephie (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 10:54 PM

45. Now do that poll with the Washington Villagers....

They'll call the plan America wants "Populist" and play "Kick the Hippie" for fun.

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Response to Zephie (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 10:57 PM

46. "Center-right country", MY ASS!!!!

K&R.

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Response to Zephie (Original post)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 07:35 AM

48. Ah, that's good.

I believe that. It's really only a small number of extremists who are well-funded and noisy who have screwed things up....acting like the majority by yelling.

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Response to Zephie (Original post)

Sat Mar 2, 2013, 05:24 AM

49. For conservatives, it has never really been about agreeing or disagreeing with policies . . .

. . . it has always been more a matter of tribal identification. They might very well, in a blind poll, favor 'x' policy. But as soon as Fox News or some other right wing outlet informs them that 'x' is supported by 'Ds,' they will immediately drop their support for it.

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Response to Zephie (Original post)

Sat Mar 2, 2013, 06:15 AM

50. of course.

Science. Kills repukes dead.

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