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Wed Feb 27, 2013, 08:22 PM

The Boobs song: Has anyone mentioned it's vulgar?


Also:
"base, boorish, cheap, coarse, common, contemptible, crude, dirty, disgusting, dishonorable, filthy, ignoble, impolite, improper, indecent, indecorous, indelicate, inferior, low, malicious, nasty, naughty, obscene, odious, off-color, profane, raw, repulsive, smutty, sordid, suggestive, tasteless, tawdry, uncouth, unmannerly"? (copied, thinned, and pasted from a nearby on-line thesaurus)

This was the Oscars, folks. The professional highlight of one of our great industries, and one of our great art forms. And the best they could do was The Boobs Song?

Has anyone stopped to think how many people were insulted by this song apart from the individual actresses named in it? Among the probable insultees: women of my generation, civilized men of my generation, civilized men and women of any generation, and children of civilized men and women?

BOOBS? Who the hell raised these people? There are times and places for every one of the words in our magnificent language, but the Oscars ceremony was betrayed by this bit of "entertainment."

I suspect that the movies, and the ceremony that honors significant achievement in the movies, have both fallen victim to the marketers, who slice and dice the demographics of our great land to find that segment of the population with the most money to spend, and then tailor entertainment to fit them. The target audience for the Oscars seems to have been 13-to-24-year-old men with time on their hands. "I saw your boobs." Yes, folks, the guys who were entertained by this need something socially constructive to occupy their time.

This was sung to Daniel Day Lewis, Sally Field, Quvenzhané Wallis, and other people of taste and professional attainment.

We have to do better than this, folks. We really have do.

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Reply The Boobs song: Has anyone mentioned it's vulgar? (Original post)
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Response to planetc (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 08:26 PM

1. Nobody on DU has discussed the boob song yet. n/t

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 04:46 PM

68. lol

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Response to planetc (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 08:26 PM

2. A song about boobs...

Is the end of civilization?

LMFAO.

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Response to tridim (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 08:31 PM

4. Well sorry I thought is was funny myself. If you don't like it turn the channel. I didn't watch

 

the whole show but the boob song wasn't the worst to me. Everyone has boobs.

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Response to southernyankeebelle (Reply #4)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 08:40 PM

6. But only the women were singled out. Argument FAIL. Sexist bullshit.

I was offended, and yeah - I get to SAY.

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Response to chimpymustgo (Reply #6)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 08:46 PM

10. Ok you had your say. As a woman I have mine also. I thought it was funny. You thought

 

it was a fail. OK Men's boobs aren't as funny. Then again they don't have them like women. That would have been funny also. I thought he did a good job when I did tune in. Am sorry you feel offended. You have that right.

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Response to southernyankeebelle (Reply #10)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 09:55 PM

12. Would a "We saw your ass" song have held the charm you saw in the "Boob" song?

As a black woman, I don't go looking for trouble. But I'm not going to laugh off that churn in the pit of my stomach. So tired, so familiar.

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Response to chimpymustgo (Reply #12)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:13 AM

34. I don't know. I am old, fat all over at some point you get upset so I turn the channel.

 

But I don't know if they sang a song about the ass I may or may not laugh. But saying Boob isn't a dirty word. I thought it was funny because they were singing a song about the boob and they were all dress up in nice cloths. That was humor to me. I'm sorry if it wasn't for you. I'm sure when you got offended you changed the channel.

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Response to southernyankeebelle (Reply #10)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 08:24 AM

22. Actually, I didn't feel offended. Weary and bored was about it. eom

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Response to planetc (Reply #22)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:05 AM

31. At times I agree with you.

 

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Response to southernyankeebelle (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:37 AM

36. Yes, everyone has them. Some women use them to

feed their infants, wherever they might be when the infant needs feeding. How do you feel about that?

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #36)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 01:22 PM

57. Is this post a nod to Olive Garden? ...nt

TYY

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Response to TeeYiYi (Reply #57)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 01:22 PM

58. No. It's something else.

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Response to planetc (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 08:30 PM

3. Have you ever seen Family Guy?

MacFarlane uses a stuffed animal committing suicide and domestic violence as comedy. IIRC the show makes fun of Peter getting raped several times.

Vulgarity and shock humor is his trademark.

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 08:52 PM

70. That's OK for his show.

But that wasn't Family Guy, it was the Oscars. There's a time and place for everything.

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Response to planetc (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 08:35 PM

5. The classic from the Fugs

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #5)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:58 PM

19. And the world is still turning...

Do you like boobs a lot?
(Yes, I like boobs a lot.)
Boobs a lot, boobs a lot.
(You gotta like boobs a lot.)
Really like boobs a lot.
(You gotta like boobs a lot.)
Boobs a lot, boobs a lot.
(You gotta like boobs a lot.)

Down in the locker room,
Just three boys,
Beatin' down the locker room
With all that noise,

Singin' do you like boobs a lot?
(You gotta like boobs a lot.)
Boobs a lot, boobs a lot.
(You gotta like boobs a lot.)

Do you wear your jock a lot?
(Yes, I wear my jock a lot.)
Got to wear your jock a lot.
(Got to wear your jock a lot.)
Jock a lot, jock a lot.
(You gotta wear your jock a lot.)
Got to wear your jock a lot.
(You gotta wear your jock a lot.)

Well, down on the football,
Football field,
You never can tell
What a heel can wield,

So you gotta wear your jock a lot.
(You gotta wear your jock a lot.)
Jock a lot, jock a lot.
(You gotta wear your jock a lot.)

If I had a flag-a-long,
(If I had a flag-a-long.)
If I had a long flag-a-long,
If I had a long flag-a-long,
If you like boobs a lot, tag along

Bee beep, bop, de boob a lot.
(You gotta like boobs a lot.)
Boobs a lot, boobs a lot.
(You gotta like boobs a lot.)

They're big and round,
They're all around.
They're big and round,
They're all around.

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Response to planetc (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 08:41 PM

7. The vulgarity of it was certainly NOT the problem.

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Response to planetc (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 08:44 PM

8. see also: crass, classless, juvenile.

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Response to planetc (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 08:44 PM

9. Uh yeah, I think someone mentioned it. n/t

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Response to planetc (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 08:52 PM

11. No, no one has mentioned that song at all. Thanks for being the first.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #11)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:08 PM

16. "Don`t mention the War.. I did once but I think I got away with it!"

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Response to opiate69 (Reply #16)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:16 AM

35. HA!

 

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #11)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 08:32 AM

24. Boob song?!

Slooooowly, I turned...step by step...

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Response to planetc (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:03 PM

14. Boobs

who even uses that word except teenagers?

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #14)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 04:22 PM

66. I surely don't. I learned the correct term from Steve Martin: Golden Bozos. nt

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Response to Buns_of_Fire (Reply #66)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 11:08 AM

71. I like that better



Boobs has that "idiots" double meaning. Derogatory thoughts come to mind.

Boob tube?

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Response to planetc (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:05 PM

15. When I keep seeing boob song I think of the intro to Randi Rhodes show...

booby bounce song...

booby bounce...

Someone else can post it cause I'm a target

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #15)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:02 AM

20. Rusty Warren: Bounce Your Boobies.

You know girls, it's great to live in a democracy today, where freedom is everywhere. But girls, we often take this freedom for granted: freedom of speech, freedom of thought, and freedom of action. But you know gals, just because a bunch of men signed that Declaration Of Independence in 1776, doesn't mean that freedom was for men alone. Oh no, you take Tom Jefferson, Ben Franklin, John Hancock - he's a helluva guy for you right there! All these men had wives. They probably had a few broads on the side too. These women wanted freedom just as much as their men did. But gals, I wonder, do we? I think it's time that we women thought about it a bit. Hell, I think it's time we did something about it. So come on, fellow females of the 20th century! Be glad that you're an American! Proclaim your freedom! Stand at attention! Pledge Allegiance! And...

Bounce your boobies, get into the swing.
Bounce your boobies, the swing is everything.
Makes no difference if they're big or small,
As long as you - ooh! - give 'em your all.

Bounce your boobies.
Come on, honey, bounce 'em up and down.
Bounce your boobies.
Come on, bounce your boobies, honey. Come on.

Loosen the bra that binds you!
Take it off if you feel like it!
Come on, bounce your boobies.
Here we go. Doesn't that feel good?
Bounce your boobies.

You know girls, men aren't the only people in the world today that have something to give, but it sure looks like it sometimes. Just look around you - men stick out all over the place. Big fat cigars. Big fat stomachs. And just where they should stick out - phhbtt! - where is it?!

Yes, girls, we know what we've got, and we know what they're worth. So come on, gals, let's get into the swing of things. Give your boobies some freedom! All together now!

Bounce your boobies, let 'em rock 'n' roll.
Nudge your knockers, keep 'em hot and so.
Just admit it, gals, it sure feels great
To feel them swingin', ooh, titilate!

Bounce your boobies.
Come on, bounce 'em up and down, honey.
Bounce your boobies.
There, look at that gal, she's goin' at it.
Bounce your boobies.
Oh, doesn't that feel good?
Bounce, bounce, bounce, bounce,
Bounce your boobies now!

Bounce your boobies everybody!

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #20)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:12 PM

53. It's Friday, Ya Bastards!!!

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Response to planetc (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:54 PM

17. What boobs song?

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Response to planetc (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:57 PM

18. Boob Song, you say?

First I've heard of it.

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Response to planetc (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:06 AM

21. You realize there was something going on around the song, right?

The entire point of the song is it was supposed to demonstrate a dumb and terrible thing to do at the Oscars.

The joke fell flat, but the entire point is it was a demonstration of what not to do.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #21)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 08:39 AM

25. Right, like the little skit in which Seth comes on to Sally Field, and

they run off to have a wild weekend on Champagne and Boniva. According to the interview with the two producers, they had been working on the ceremony for a full year. And this was the best they could do?

So, another of my questions is: is it possible to have a career in comedy these days without being raunchy and outraging as many sensitivies as possible? As Seth said, 150 years is not long enough to avoid using Lincoln's assassination as a joke. As a strategy for comedy, this one is about played out, I think.

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Response to planetc (Reply #25)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 10:40 AM

43. Personally, I haven't enjoyed a "comedy" from the last 15 years or so.

I appear to have aged out of their target market.

I like to pretend they did a better job at making comedies when I was younger, but I don't think that's really the case. It's a combination of me getting older, and me ignoring all the raunchy and stupid comedies from my teen years for the small number of really good ones.

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Response to planetc (Reply #25)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 10:50 AM

46. I think it's kind of funny that you mentioned Sally Field....

....and class in your OP, and now you are complaining about her skit where she makes out with McFarlane and they take off the The Bandit's car.

Obviously, Sally doesn't take herself as seriously as you do.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #21)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 10:34 AM

41. Worst Framing Device Excuse in History

You know when I said all those awful things it was merely a joke about saying all those awful things.

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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #41)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 10:36 AM

42. Not saying it was a good. But we can't pretend it wasn't present. (nt)

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Response to planetc (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 08:30 AM

23. It's hard to notice because so much of modern culture is crass, vulgar,

crude, filthy, obscene, sordid, tawdry, tasteless, odious, profane, repulsive, etc.

And that's just referring to our political system.

Ba doom pish.

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Response to planetc (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 08:44 AM

26. "Vulgar" = "common"

Shakespeare was vulgar, in his time, what with his filthy puns ("shall we discuss country matters?"); the vulgarity of the song doesn't really bother me, the demeaning misogyny of it does.

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Response to planetc (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 08:46 AM

27. Nobody here even thought of that!


The sun came up on Monday, and nobody died from it.

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Response to planetc (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 08:47 AM

28. And precisely what is it YOU would...

... have anyone here on this forum DO to correct this oh-so-fucking-grave-world-shattering injustice?

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Response to planetc (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 08:54 AM

29. Context is important

As mentioned above, that is a joke about what not to do at an Oscar show. I suspect the intended meaning misfired relative to what they expected.

The second part of it is exactly what the OP is talking about. Sort of. The notion that movies and the Oscars are High Art, necessitating a sombre reflection on a year of auteurs and thespians. They're entertainment, no more no less. Frequently vulgar, often crass, regularly filled with content that far outstrips Macfarlane's little song. There was no driving need in any movie, really, for nudity - if the producers and directors and actors wanted, they could easily choose not to show breasts on the screen. Not that they *should* do such a thing, but that they chose to, and to be honest why they do it.

And before the cries go up, these actors he sang about didn't need to, either. None of them would suffer if they turned down a role that bared their chests. They are all wealthy, famous, and actively employed beyond the films mentioned.

Maybe he could have executed it better, more plainly, but I don't think it ought to be as rage-inducing as it seems to be.

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Response to theKed (Reply #29)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 10:15 AM

39. Yes, it was the context I was focusing on.

So, I said that the movies are an art form, but certainly they're not all High Art.

I would submit that the best movies, including some of the nominees for best picture this year--Lincoln, Beasts of the Southern Wild, The Life of Pi--find it possible to get made without gratuitous nudity, and the Oscars still try to salute the best that movies are capable of. The best movies can teach, inspire, inform and inspirit people *as well as* entertaining them.

And that's why I think this comedic strategy failed--it was performed in front of plenty of people who are working at the high end of the form, while aiming at the lower end of the form. It's just not clear who the butt, you should excuse the expression, of the joke was. Confusion reigned in my brain.

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Response to planetc (Reply #39)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 10:28 AM

40. Yeah

I feel like he was trying, in a way, to deflate the egotism of the night. I agree that movies can be and, in some cases are, highly artistic and valuable.

Whatever he actually intended - maybe he really just wanted to sing about breasts, after all - any nuance or deeper meaning seems to have misfired. A shame, because (in my opinion) Macfarlane can be a sharply insightful satirist when he tries.

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Response to planetc (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:01 AM

30. No, first I've heard of it. I was too busy teaching my pit bulls how to smoke at Olive Garden. n/t

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Response to Ian David (Reply #30)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:12 AM

33. I didn't spew, but some coffee made it to my shirt.



Going to wet a rag and wipe it off now.

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Response to Ian David (Reply #30)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 01:18 PM

56. Well, as long as you weren't breastfeeding them..... nt

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Response to Guy Whitey Corngood (Reply #56)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 01:32 PM

59. No, I was breastfeeding FROM them. n/t

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Response to Ian David (Reply #59)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 01:34 PM

60. .



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Response to planetc (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:10 AM

32. thanks

 

for being the first to show how comedy can be offensive. very eye-opening.

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Response to planetc (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:43 AM

37. Incredibly well said

I have avoided all the threads on the juvenile, offensive humor of this year's awards, but this is so true that I wanted to say so. Thanks for this well written post.

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Response to planetc (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 10:07 AM

38. DU has become a place of holiness

The holier it is, the more ridiculous and petty ..

I do not intend to spend any part of my life ruled by overweening moralists declaring their indignation at even the mildest oaths ...

The word Boob is offensive? .... not in my world ...

So, put me on ignore now, because words like boob will spring forth from me often ....

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Response to Trajan (Reply #38)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 10:42 AM

44. Threads about boobs get people talking, important things in the world not so much

DU has become entertainment weekly more than a political site - and the people we complain about the most are not the republicans but each other.

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Response to The Straight Story (Reply #44)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 10:49 AM

45. People are still going to bed hungry,

Afghanistan is still on, republicans will still obstruct ... but a silly song about boobs is far more important an issue.

I'm packing up a box to take to the food pantry.

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Response to Trajan (Reply #38)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 07:08 PM

69. Thank you.

Lots of DU reasons to declare oneself the victim of some horrible injustice.

Sounds like my second grade class.

These women wanted the part, and it required nudity, so, don't watch the oscars, cause that's what happens, little boys and girls, in PG 13 and R movies.

Can we move on, now?

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Response to planetc (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 10:51 AM

47. Fuck no

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Response to planetc (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 10:56 AM

48. Are we really still obsessing about the boobs song here?

It's been four days already. Really.

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Response to planetc (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 10:57 AM

49. I haven't seen it yet, should I? you got a link? n/t

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Response to planetc (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 11:58 AM

50. I didn't stress too much at the time, but yes, it was vulgar.

As with so many other things related to sexism, the usual admonishment is to "get over it". No one died, it's just a joke, etc.

Maybe some women like that kind of attention, I never have. Ever since I developed as a teenager I have resented the unwanted comments from boys then, men now. I'm not referring to compliments; but to crass remarks like "nice tits", "what an ass", etc.

Who gave the right to any of these jerks to say things like that to women they don't even know??????

The "boob" song was not about boobs in general, but about the breasts of specific women. Why should they have to be ridiculed by some sophomoric comedian at an event that is watched by billions of people around the world? These actresses have reach the pinnacle of their careers and had to listen to some idiot talk about their chest.

Screw him and all the other apologists!!!

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Response to Beacool (Reply #50)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:00 PM

51. +1000000000000

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Response to planetc (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:09 PM

52. We Saw You're Boobs

Now watch the performance again with that syntax in mind.........changes the entire song

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Response to planetc (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:12 PM

54. Alerting ...for using the word "boobs".

Hey ...I'm just going along with the DU censor gang ...and the DU joke ...which is the alert and jury system.

See below:

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: This is not the proper use of the jury system.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: You alerted on your own post LOL-
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: LMAO

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Response to planetc (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 01:16 PM

55. It isn't vulgar. Damn. Are we back in the Victorian era?

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #55)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:39 PM

63. Going backward in cultural time usually isn't possible. But I like to think ...

that there's a better culture we can go forward to. What I'm really hoping for is a recognition that if you choose to use vulgarity in the wrong context, there will be consequences to pay. It really should be possible to do something imaginative and moving and funny with the Oscars ceremony that's also safe for nine-year-olds to watch. Mr. McFarlane did seem to be bright, charming, quick-witted. I think *he* was wasted doing that material too.

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Response to planetc (Reply #63)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:48 PM

64. We must be talking about different songs.

You'll have to forgive me, but I have avoided all the Oscars threads.

Is this a song McFarlane did/showed or whatever? The one I'm thinking of is by Priscilla Ahn.


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Response to planetc (Reply #63)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 04:07 PM

65. Ok. I found the video from the Oscars. ugh

It was juvenile, reflective of MacFarlane's sense of humor.

Vulgar? That's a personal reaction.

I found it stupid. It clearly annoyed several of his targets.

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Response to planetc (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 01:37 PM

61. First I'd heard of this...was there some sort of controversy over it?

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Response to planetc (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 01:37 PM

62. We live in a vulgar society n/t

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Response to planetc (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 04:45 PM

67. Yep it was stupid, offensive and NOT FUNNY.



Reducing famous actresses to their boobs and ignoring the rest of the role they played. And it has been noted that many of the movies mentioned had brutal rape scenes where said boobs were displayed as part of the violence. Just not funny at all.

The skit with Sally Field wasn't funny either. Seth was telling her how she USED to be "hot". Like she's not allowed to get old.

She looked old in "Lincoln" and that's because when Mary Todd Lincoln was 45, during the civil war, she looked old due to the stress of losing her sons and the war.

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