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Sun Feb 24, 2013, 10:48 AM

Hating on the poors

Hating on the poors

by David Atkins

John Cheese has a great Sunday read at Cracked: Four things politicians will never understand about poor people. Subjects include "Poor Does Not Equal Unemployed," "Poor People Are Not Mindless Leeches," "Poor People Aren't Rampant Drug Addicts" and "You Don't Have Real Sympathy for the Poor if You've Never Lived It."

From the section on drug testing welfare recipients:

This is another hot debate in political circles because quite a few states have already adopted it, and several more are considering it. Why not? Yes, it was declared unconstitutional on grounds that it violates the Fourth Amendment, which protects against unreasonable searches, but other than that, it seems like a good idea. Drugs are a huge problem with the poor, and I most definitely don't want to be handing my tax dollars to someone who's just going to blow it on ... well, blow.

That's what all of these states thought, and some of them still think that. Then they did the testing and found out that, actually, the poor are pretty much as clean as the rest of us. In Arizona, out of 87,000 people they subjected to the test, exactly one monster-forkin' person tested positive. One. And Florida had just as embarrassing results: 21 people tested positive out of 51,000. That was right before a federal judge showed up and put a boot in their ... leg-hat, by blocking the law. Of course, that didn't hurt their feelings much since the program not only didn't save the state any money, but it actually put them almost $46,000 in the hole (must ... resist), even when you factor in the money they saved by denying applicants.

What really troubles me with this one isn't the occasional crackhead being booted from the system. It's the 6 year old that isn't being provided for, regardless of what illegal horsepoop their parents are putting into their bodies. As in all of these points, yes, those people do exist -- I'll never deny that. And yes, I think it's a dagnabbit falootin' shame that some of our money is going to crack instead of ... well, literally anything else. But that child is along for the ride, regardless, and pushing him deeper into poverty is unacceptable on pretty much every level.


MORE:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/4-things-politicians-will-never-understand-about-poor-people_p2/
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2013/02/hating-on-poors-by-davidoatkins.html

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kpete Feb 2013 OP
CrispyQ Feb 2013 #1
kpete Feb 2013 #2
NYC_SKP Feb 2013 #3
kpete Feb 2013 #4
LeftofObama Feb 2013 #5
Populist_Prole Feb 2013 #8
pansypoo53219 Feb 2013 #11
bigapple1963 Feb 2013 #12
Hissyspit Feb 2013 #18
Canuckistanian Feb 2013 #15
tavalon Feb 2013 #16
L0oniX Feb 2013 #6
Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #7
Warpy Feb 2013 #9
treestar Feb 2013 #13
abelenkpe Feb 2013 #10
treestar Feb 2013 #14
SmileyRose Feb 2013 #17

Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 11:09 AM

1. There are some choice segments in that.

...their idea of "poor" or even "brokeass" is the pitiful bastard at the bottom of the chain who is living off of that measly $174,000 base salary because he or she doesn't have any other income on the side. Linda Sanchez is their version of poverty.




But then I turn around and hear dumb fucking cockholes like John Fleming claim that after investing back into his businesses, his $6.3 million earnings only leaves him with $600,000. And when he continues flapping his stupid richlips and says that by the time he's fed his family, he only has $400k left, my eyes roll so hard up into my head I can visually inspect my own soul. And then I set all of my possessions on fire to prevent myself from doing it to his.



Though it still doesn't change the fact that he could replace everything I own with two hours of work.



And I realize that shoving all of the numbers we've cited right into their faces would do nothing -- all of this data is available to them, at any time. All of it would bounce right off their skulls because of that one time they heard about a guy on welfare who had an iPhone and a big-screen TV, and one time they read an email forward about a guy who gave money to a beggar only to see that beggar later driving a Cadillac. And dammit, they think, that has to be the way it is, because otherwise it means that well-meaning people can bust their fucking asses every day and still fall through the cracks. And that can't be possible, can it? "Quick! Find me a picture of a poor person buying lobster with food stamps so I can reassure myself the system works!" Oh, fuck you.


Ditto on that last sentence!


Read more: http://www.cracked.com/blog/4-things-politicians-will-never-understand-about-poor-people_p2/#ixzz2Lphm78NT


K&R

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 11:12 AM

2. double ditto

wish i could post the WHOLE thing,
thanks for adding that last line CrispyQ

peace, kp

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 11:26 AM

3. The WSJ article is quite a hoot....

Worth a look.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323689604578220132665726040.html

From that article, this graphic, look at these sad people!:




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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 11:31 AM

4. appropriate response is:





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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 11:34 AM

5. Every time I see that graphic I just have to shake my head.

That is the most idiotic thing I've seen!

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 12:53 PM

8. I think what it really speaks of is how big the sterile bubble really is and

That the wealthy and their noise machine don't really "hate" the poor or try to spin or skew the debate in order to deliberately deceive: I think it's quite literally just they way they see the world.

I recently read some other piece from some business/news oriented magazine with an article about the employment picture for big-ish companies. Reading further it turned out be all about how many managers might be hired....the rank and file types were completely below their radar. I was fuming with their ( the publication's ) arrogance but then realized it was just another inside-the-bubble view.

Till they themselves start feeling discomfort, don't look for any positive dialog from the MSM.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 01:57 PM

11. inflation. this is why we need to raise the fica limit to 1 million and TIE IT TO INFLATION.

this is another fuckup by the great alan greenspud.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 02:13 PM

12. actually

 

these numbers are quite reasonable for someone working in law, finance or medicine in New York for 5 - 10 years.

The numbers start at $1m + if you make partner (possible by early 30s).

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Response to bigapple1963 (Reply #12)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 12:20 AM

18. Um...

Why are the numbers only about "someone working in law, finance or medicine in New York for 5-10 years?"

And why do they look so sad?

Fuck the Wall Street Journal.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 06:54 PM

15. I remember being in awe of those numbers

These were clearly people from another planet for me.

Please, someone tell me where do I apply for these apparently plentiful jobs?

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 07:26 PM

16. That graphic has bugged me since I first saw it

Put them all on Prozac. They have nothing whatsoever to look sad about. Except maybe that they are a bunch of overentitled crybabies. Geez. If I earned that much, I would give at least half of it away because I don't need that much!!!!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 12:14 PM

6. Propaganda about the poor is permeated by folks like The Heritage Foundation and others of like ilk.

They want to blame the poor for being stupid and lazy and not taking advantage of the upwardly mobile capitalistic free market. When they talk about free market capitalism they are really only referring to themselves and all the other rich sociopaths but the propaganda is designed to fool the masses. They are the main reason people are poor ...not drugs.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 12:35 PM

7. In rural America they will have a bunch of farmers griping about "Welfare"...

....and of course it's BLACKS who get it in their minds. Meanwhile, these guys sit all day in the air conditioned cab of a million dollar harvester purchased with farm subsidies and listen to Limbaugh telling them the reason America is in trouble is because of food stamps.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 01:24 PM

9. Every once in a while Cracked.com hits the nail on the head

and they did it with this article.

I don't know how the poor can be so invisible to the plutocrats that the suffering single parent is making >$200,000 a year in this particular piece of glurge (remember it?):

?v=1

They don't comprehend at all that the average single parent is lucky to achieve the average income of $47,000/year or that the average retiree is struggling on Social Security plus less than $100,000 in life savings or that most of the people they come across every day, from the pretty receptionist at the office to the busboys who clean up after them at the fancy restaurant are struggling on less than subsistence, which means wages that are too low to support them over time.

I think it's the invisibility of the 99% to them that I am angriest about, even though I know the plutocrats have taken pains to make certain they're equally invisible. We're right under their noses, making their rotten lives of privilege possible, and they never see us. Or worse, they ASSume that we're all out there draining their precious accounts to the tune of $200,000/year on minimum wage.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #9)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 02:43 PM

13. Oh the poor things!

and that was what they were paying before the Bush tax cuts anyway. So what did they do with the extra in the meantime? And they got to keep that tax cut through a recession. These truly are the people who vote Republican for good reason.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 01:25 PM

10. K&R nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 02:45 PM

14. This is a great point

The right wingers of my experience have deemed cracked.com to be "humorous" and therefore nothing from it is worth linking too.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 07:32 PM

17. John Cleese?

Wow. Good writer. Just at my level. Thanks.

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