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Sat Feb 23, 2013, 04:45 PM

In case you had any sympathy left for the "farmer" who shot 2 dogs in PA

Here is a copy of the criminal complaint in the case. The guy is just one sick fuck, the sheep were never in any danger, and he indeed did kill the second pup when she was trying to run from him. The relevant information begins on the second to last page.

http://media.nbcphiladelphia.com/documents/Complaint3.pdf


Fuck him. This is just a guy who likes to shoot dogs.

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Reply In case you had any sympathy left for the "farmer" who shot 2 dogs in PA (Original post)
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get the red out Feb 2013 #29
dorkzilla Feb 2013 #33
get the red out Feb 2013 #37
Kali Feb 2013 #2
dorkzilla Feb 2013 #4
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Kali Feb 2013 #11
dorkzilla Feb 2013 #15
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tecelote Feb 2013 #32
dorkzilla Feb 2013 #35
tecelote Feb 2013 #44
datasuspect Feb 2013 #5
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dorkzilla Feb 2013 #19
datasuspect Feb 2013 #20
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n2doc Feb 2013 #12
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Kurska Feb 2013 #23
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Lordquinton Feb 2013 #31
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get the red out Feb 2013 #39
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appleannie1 Feb 2013 #38
Kali Feb 2013 #45
dorkzilla Feb 2013 #47
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TexasProgresive Feb 2013 #60
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xmas74 Feb 2013 #26
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Response to dorkzilla (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 04:58 PM

1. Indeed fuck him

I would have a hard time staying out of jail if it were my dogs! There are a lot of damn humans wasting air, he is one of them.

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Response to get the red out (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:03 PM

3. Me too

If anyone laid a finger on them they'd be toast. When my dog Django was about 9 months old he was playing with another dog in the dog park. The owner of the other dog thought Django was playing rough, so she HIT him. Django was startled but okay, but I was outraged that someone would do that. So I walked up to the woman calmly, leaned over and whispered "if you know what's good for you, you'll get the fuck out of my sight right now". She readily complied. Fucking asshole.

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:59 PM

29. Idiots!

Like she couldn't have asked you to call your dog?????? What hatefulness possesses people? Where your FIRST thought is to harm or kill the dog? I despise people like that.

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Response to get the red out (Reply #29)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 06:05 PM

33. True, but aside from just asking me to call my dog...

They were just PLAYING, Django wasn't playing rough at all. The other dog was just a month or so older than mine, and much bigger too. They were play-biting and having the time of their doggy lives! Turns out that the dog wasn't hers, she was watching it for her niece, who I met later on. She wasn't experienced with dogs at all (the aunt) and just assumed there was something awful happening and decided that my dog was the "problem". When the woman took the dog back home and told her niece what happened, the niece yelled at her too.

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #33)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 06:10 PM

37. That's REALLY bad

She was completely ignorant. My small female Border Collie's best friend is a male German Shepherd and they roll and chase and bite all the time, and are fine. They are always so excited to see each other and start gnawing on one another it's hilarious.

She had no business being at that dog park if she didn't know how dogs even play. She could have really hurt your dog.

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Response to dorkzilla (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:02 PM

2. in most areas where livestock production occurs

owners have every right to shoot stray dogs on their property

if you have ever seen what playful, friendly, good ol' Rover and his pals can due to chickens, sheep, calves, or foals you might have a more balanced view of his reaction.

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Response to Kali (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:04 PM

4. We've been through this already...

Yes, we all agree that is the case, but these dogs weren't doing anything, and the guy admits he didn't even yell at them to get them off his property. He just shot them.

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:08 PM

6. "We've been through this already..."

I sort of assumed something like that from your subject line, but I haven't and you didn't post a link, so...

in previous discussion or news was there any mention of his or the dogs' past history? has he done this repeatedly? have the dogs been a previous problem?

I didn't quite get the feeling the guy was a vicious dog killer from the complaint you posted.

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Response to Kali (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:15 PM

9. Dogs had no priors, but he's shot dogs before.

There were 2 prior threads on this the last couple of days.

With due respect, you can see his name in the complaint, and there is this thing called Google you could check out the story on.

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #9)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:17 PM

11. with due respect you could include a link or two in your OP

rather than assume anybody has been following this or knows what you are talking about

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #15)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:32 PM

22. thanks

however, neither of the articles mention prior shootings, skimming threads now

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Response to Kali (Reply #22)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:45 PM

25. Here you go

"About a year ago, Boden said, two pit bulls attacked and killed sheep and an alpaca in the neighborhood. Pilotti saw the attacks and shot the dogs."

http://articles.philly.com/2013-02-22/news/37244139_1_pennsylvania-dog-law-dog-law-bernese/2

I'm not saying the first shooting wasn't justified but clearly the second one wasn't.

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #25)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:57 PM

28. I think you are probably right.

sounds like it is an area in transition (development) and the conflicts will likely continue until the old ag folks are all gone.

sounds like he is an old man with old ways that don't fit in the area any longer. kind of sad, and what a shame to have shot those beautiful dogs out of "habit" (protecting his stock)

on the other hand nobody believes Fluffy would ever harm a living thing. Until she does. Sad situation.

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #25)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 06:04 PM

32. It's really sad.

We lost two dogs to a neighbor we knew well. He came over and apologized.

But, we knew it would happen if our dogs ran. And, they did.

Have you seen the livestock and deer dogs kill? Not just by jumping on them and killing them but, most of the time, by running them to death. That's why two dogs are so bad. Neighborhood packs are much worse.

It's sad. But, it's the law of the land.

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Response to tecelote (Reply #32)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 06:09 PM

35. Yes, I grew up on a farm.

Most of the farmers in my area would try any other method first before shooting a dog. If they had a repeat offender then they sometimes had to resort to that, but that was always a last-resort. Not the case here.

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #35)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 06:18 PM

44. Yeah - I didn't read the second article.

"Directly behind the dog and in the line of fire was a house with residents home - facts that spurred the endangerment charge."

He's in a neighborhood and the dogs were normally fenced. They weren't repeat offenders, unfortunately, like our dogs were.

He shouldn't be shooting at anything within range of anybody. He's an asshole and deserves what he gets.

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Response to Kali (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:07 PM

5. i really think that if most people got magically transported to 100 years ago

 

they'd die in a week.

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:11 PM

7. or even to the present in some places!

we do live in a cushy and privileged nation (not that there is necessarily anything wrong with comfort, or that it hasn't deteriorated or could be improved)

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:13 PM

8. so true.

 

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:17 PM

10. Good thing that's not even a remote possibility, isn't it?

What the fuck does that have anything to do with this story?

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #10)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:19 PM

13. nothing

 

i wasn't commenting on the story. i was interacting with someone i know here on DU. who the hell are you?

is that motherfucking okay with you cowboy?

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #13)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:28 PM

19. You are mistaken...

These are not the breasts of a cowboy

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #19)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:30 PM

20. cowgirl

 

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #10)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:23 PM

16. actually with some of the things happening around the globe politically, environmentally,

and economically - remote might not be quite the level of possibility at all...

what it had to do with this story was the disconnect between urban and rural perspectives (and it was a reply to me).

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Response to Kali (Reply #16)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:25 PM

18. That wasn't immediately clear though, Kali.

About his responding to you that is. I guess I got a taste of my own medicine.

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:18 PM

12. Well the teabaggers are fervently trying to make that so in this country n/t

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Response to n2doc (Reply #12)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:21 PM

14. it's a bipartisan effort

 

never mistake that.

binary "us vs. them" advertising strategies just keep us all punching in the dark.

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:33 PM

23. Thank god we aren't 100 years ago absolutely sucked

When everyone thinks about the good old days they seem to leave out the massive infant fatality rate and the polio.

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Response to Kurska (Reply #23)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:36 PM

24. and dying from influenza

 

tuberculosis

county poor farms

getting run out of town.

but there were upsides: no social security numbers. in 1913, each locality had its own way of registering drivers. if you even had a license, it was a piece of paper with no photo.

people routinely would move across country, assume a new name, and WHAMMO! you had a new identity.

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #24)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:55 PM

27. If only we could get the later without the former

Never said things universally got better.

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 06:01 PM

30. Thankfully

Some humans on this planet are becoming more civilized, unlike the farmer in question.

People 100 years ago thought abusing children and women was just fine also. Yea, I'd die in a week 100 years ago, but would I want to be the type of lowlife who wouldn't?

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 06:04 PM

31. I disagree

People are hardy, even the seemingly vapid, selfish types adapt when the chips are down. We see a fraction of the surface of an individual, esp in news stories where we have limited information. True, if any of us were transplanted into the middle of the jungle with nothing we would probably die, but that would go for almost anybody at any point in history.

Life perseveres, and endures. except when someone is determined to end it.

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 06:28 PM

48. You could say that with any generation. Skill sets change a lot in 100 years. n-t

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Response to Kali (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 06:09 PM

34. There are a lot of ways

to permanently drive off dogs without killing them. People like the defendant shoot to kill because they want to.

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Response to sulphurdunn (Reply #34)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 06:13 PM

39. Exactly!!!!!

He is a complete asshole. I hope the fallout is miserable for this piece of shit.

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Response to get the red out (Reply #39)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 04:04 AM

64. Thank YOU!

What an asshole!

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Response to sulphurdunn (Reply #34)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 06:15 PM

42. agree with first sentence, though that may not be practical

but I have no real idea about the guy's likes or deep motivations and I doubt if you do either (although his neighbor who seems to know him better than we do said he felt remorseful about the situation)

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Response to Kali (Reply #42)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 09:52 AM

65. He pulled the trigger twice.

even though neither he nor his sheep were in any immediate danger. For whatever reason, he chose to do that. While remorse may mitigate, it does not excuse.

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Response to Kali (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 06:10 PM

38. I had chickens and still have ducks and geese. I don't shoot stray dogs. I either chase them home

or catch them and enclose them in our dog yard until I find out who they belong to or if that cannot be accomplished, turn them over to The Humane Society. I have even kept a few myself. That guy just gets his jollies shooting animals that are friendly and obviously belong to someone.

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Response to appleannie1 (Reply #38)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 06:19 PM

45. curious

what is your evidence he enjoyed/enjoys shooting pets?

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Response to Kali (Reply #45)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 06:25 PM

47. Because he called a neighbor to brag about it.



"When Argus and Fiona got out of the family's Pennsylvania home and ran onto neighbor Gabriel Pilotti's farm, he allegedly shot them both. Bock then reportedly called a friend and left a chilling voicemail: "Hey, it's Gabe," he said. "Two shots, two more dogs."


http://now.msn.com/gabriel-pilotti-allegedly-shoots-neighbors-dogs-then-leaves-voicemail-about-it

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #47)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 06:31 PM

49. meh

I can see if there was a previous problem he might consider that this was another case and was reporting it to whoever he called - not to say it can't be interpreted the way you see it too, but I can see another possibility that is all.

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Response to Kali (Reply #49)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 06:35 PM

50. His friend must have interpreted the same way I did...

because it was his "friend" that turned the tape over to the police and the neighbor.

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #47)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 07:07 PM

53. I lived in an area with peoole like that. It use to be all large cattle farms

but the ranches were sold and broken into 20 acre lots. The cattlemen still there always talked about shooting neighbor's dogs. They felt like we were intruders into their world.
They shot anything they pleased from squirrels to bears.

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Response to Kali (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 06:58 PM

51. Excuse me but you are only stating you prejudice.

You were probably brought up with that thought pattern. I lived in cattle country and know for fact that people's pets rarely harm the other animals.
Besides if it did occur killing is not necessary. You can fire over the heads and usually scare them away.
You have you opinion and nothing more.
I think some people are just disposed to . kill that's why they buy guns to begin with.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #51)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 07:15 PM

54. we seem to be in the same boat

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #51)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 08:02 PM

60. We raise dairy goats

We take extreme precautions so we have not lost any kids or does to attacks but friends have. The attacks have been almost exclusively by neighbor dogs. One did have a bob cat jump and maul some goats.

Friends of ours that live in the hill country west of Austin on 300+ acres had to Golden retrievers attack their sheep. Mr. was out and saw one dog chewing on a ewe that had been hamstrung the other dog was in the process of doing the same running down another ewe. There were 4 others down.

Without hesitation he shot both dogs- got his tractor and buried the sheep and the dogs. An hour after they were in the ground the owner of the dogs called saying her dogs just got out 10 minutes ago. He just said he would look out for them.

BTW he knew who the dogs belonged to but as they were caught in the act he eliminated the problem.

It is a real problem in rural areas that get rural subdivisions. People tend to not control their dogs as there are no leash laws in Texas outside the city limits. And dogs will come together and reminisce of when they were wolves.

Another story from my wife's aunt. She always had dogs. She made a report to animal control because one of her little dogs was killed by a pack that roaming the neighborhood. He told her that if he could id and take out the leader of the pack it would probably fall apart. Sure enough he did just that - The leader of the pack was another of Auntie's dogs.

When you are with your dogs you are the alpha dog of the pack- when you are not around there is a whole 'nother dynamic happening.

I ask you to fence your dogs and put them on a leash when taking them out of your yard - please.

And if your dog gets in my goats' pasture- I won't be shooting it but it will be dead because my Great Pyrenees livestock guards will have done the killing. They brook no strange dogs in their herd.

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Response to dorkzilla (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:23 PM

17. I hope they throw the book at him

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Response to dorkzilla (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:30 PM

21. the story of "Old Drum" and the famous "Eulogy to the Dog"

http://www.cedarcroft.com/warrensburg-area-guide/warrensburg-area-attractions/old-drum-story/


Ever wonder where the old saying, “A man’s best friend is his dog,” came from? Well, if you guessed Warrensburg, Missouri, you were right!

Senator George Graham Vest won a court battle and the hearts of dog lovers everywhere when he paid his famous tribute to the dog during the 1870 Burden vs. Hornsby court case in Warrensburg. The speech included the line, “The one absolutely unselfish friend that a man can have in this selfish world, the one that never deserts him, the one that never proves ungrateful or treacherous, is his dog.”

The “eulogy to the dog” won the case for Charles Burden whose favorite hound, Old Drum, was shot by a neighbor & brother-in-law, Leonidas Hornsby, who had sworn to shoot the first sheep-killing dog that came onto his land. Although Hornsby had hunted with Drum and acknowledged him to be one of the best hunting dogs he had ever seen, he also suspected that Drum was the dog that had been killing his sheep. Hornsby, carried out his threat when one night a dog was found prowling in his yard. That dog was Old Drum.

Burden immediately sued Hornsby for damages, and the trial quickly became one of the strangest in the history of this area of the country. Each man was determined to win the case. After several trials at magistrate court and district court, punctuated by appeals by the loser in each trial, the case finally reached the Supreme Court of Missouri. The award of $50 in damages to Burden for the loss of his favorite hunting dog was upheld.

The many trials involved prominent attorneys on both sides. David Nation, whose wife Carrie made a name for herself in the Temperance Movement, appeared for Burden in one of the early encounters. The last jury trial, held September 23, 1870, in what is now the Johnson County Historical Society museum, featured the most prominent lawyers.

Hornsby, the defendant, was represented by the firm of Crittenden & Cockrell. Tom Crittenden had been Lt. Col. of the 7th Cavalry, Missouri State Militia (Federal), in the ‘late unpleasantness’. He was to go on to the Governership of Missouri in 1880; Tom Crittenden issued the reward that motivated the Ford brothers to kill Jesse James. His partner was Francis Marion Cockrell, recently a Brigadier General commanding the 1st Missouri Brigade (CSA), one of the hardest-fighting units in the Confederate Army of Tennessee (see my Civil War bibliography for more on his history). Cockrell later spent 5 terms in the U.S. Senate.

Appearing for Burden was the Sedalia-based firm of Phillips & Vest. John Phillips had been a Union Colonel & Tom Crittenden’s immediate superior; he was later a congressman and a federal judge. George Graham Vest had been a strong secessionist, having written Missouri’s Articles of Secession while in the state legislature in 1861. His war service was in Richmond representing Missouri in the Confederate House of Representatives and Senate. He later served in the U.S. Senate for 4 terms.

Perhaps because he spent the war talking rather than fighting, George Vest was known as one of the finest extemporaneous speakers in an age when the spoken word was the most important means of communication for most people. Vest’s closing argument in the Old Drum case, known as his “eulogy to the dog,” won the case and became a classic speech, recognized by William Safire as one of the best of the millennium.

Through the direction of the Warrensburg Chamber of Commerce and coordinated efforts by many dog lovers across the country, Old Drum was immortalized in a statue on the Johnson County Courthouse lawn in Warrensburg on September 23, 1958. Previously, in 1947, Fred Ford of Blue Springs placed a monument to Old Drum near a crossing of Big Creek where Old Drum’s body was found. If you’re interested in exploring the Old Drum sites, check our our Old Drum Tour.

While no record was kept of the last half of Vest’s tribute to a dog, the first portion has fortunately been preserved. It was this speech that originated the saying, “A man’s best friend is his dog.”



WARNING – GET A TISSUE BEFORE YOU CONTINUE!
George Graham Vest speaking:

“Gentlemen of the jury, the best friend a man has in this world may turn against him and become his enemy. His son or daughter whom he has reared with loving care may prove ungrateful. Those who are nearest and dearest to us — those whom we trust with our happiness and good name — may become traitors in their faith. The money that a man has he may lose. It flies away from him, perhaps when he needs it most. A man’s reputation may be sacrificed in a moment of ill-considered action. The people who are prone to fall on their knees to do us honor when success is with us may be the first to throw the stone of malice when failure settles its cloud upon our heads. The one absolute, unselfish friend that man can have in this selfish world — the one that never proves ungrateful or treacherous — is his dog.

“Gentlemen of the jury, a man’s dog stands by him in prosperity and poverty, in health and sickness. He will sleep on the cold ground, where the wintry winds blow, and the snow drives fiercely, if only he can be near his master’s side. He will kiss the hand that has no food to offer; he will lick the wounds and sores that come in encounter with the roughness of the world. He guards the sleep of his pauper master as if he were a prince. When all other friends desert, he remains. When riches take wings and reputation falls to pieces, he is as constant in his love as the sun in its journey through the heavens.

“If fortune drives the master forth an outcast in the world, friendless and homeless, the faithful dog asks no higher privilege than that of accompanying him to guard against danger, to fight against his enemies. And when the last scene of all comes, and death takes the master in its embrace, and his body is laid away in the cold ground, no matter if all other friends pursue their way, there by his graveside will the noble dog be found, his head between his paws, his eyes sad but open in alert watchfulness, faithful and true even to death.”



http://www.cedarcroft.com/warrensburg-area-guide/warrensburg-area-attractions/old-drum-story/

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Response to Douglas Carpenter (Reply #21)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:52 PM

26. That's my town.

I live there. Old Drum is an icon in this town. His statue is even on the old courthouse lawn.

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Response to xmas74 (Reply #26)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 07:05 PM

52. Hi xmas74!

Just a shout out! My dad was stationed at Whiteman AFB and I graduated from Knob Noster High in 1964. My friends and I spent a lot of time in Warrensburg and I loved the national park in that area.

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Response to UtahLib (Reply #52)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 07:19 PM

55. Knob never really changes

but they are trying to get more programs at the state park. It has an interesting history and I really enjoy the trails. WAFB, of course, has changed quite a bit with the B2 and all.

Warrensburg is growing by leaps and bounds. It's projected to eventually become a bedroom community for the KC metro. UCM (was State Teachers College, then CMSC, then CMSU now University of Central Missouri) is really getting big. Enrollment is now at around 12,000 a year and growing. Mules basketball is in the top twenty nationally for DII and the Jennies are ready to break the top 5. Jennies bowling was recently ranked number 1-and there is no DI/DII for bowling. Debate is also one of the best in the nation.

Downtown is trying to reinvent itself as an art district and is planning on putting in trolley cars in the near future. (All electric) What else to add? Oh, we had 13 inches of snow the other day and are directly in the path for another possible 10 on Tuesday.

Tried to give you a pic of the area as it is now. You should visit the city website and check it out!

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Response to xmas74 (Reply #55)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 08:39 PM

62. Thank you so much. Brings back a lot or memories. n/t

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Response to dorkzilla (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 06:10 PM

36. Another tough guy with a gun

who's too stupid to exist. Bad combination.

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Response to secondvariety (Reply #36)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 06:13 PM

41. Yep

Agree

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Response to dorkzilla (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 06:13 PM

40. I didn't have any sympathy to begin with...

I grew up in a rural area that isn't usually how it's done. Usually the farmer calls the dogs owners first, since they know the owner by name and may even have their phone number memorized. Then the owner has to fetch their dog. The farmer might shoot the dog if it is a feral, but where I grew up I never saw one of those. I never saw many doggie escapees either. Most people had fences and chains so it was rarely an issue. Now dog dumping on the other hand, I guess that is a problem some places, but thankfully not where I lived.

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #40)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 07:37 PM

58. Yep, same here

There were very few incidents where a local farmer shot a dog, but they were always extreme cases and the farmers who had to shoot the dogs were wrecks afterward. People are too quick to shoot these days, and in fact this dickhead told the owner he "shoots first, asks questions later".

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #58)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 08:08 PM

61. I can't believe people are still defending the guy even in this thread.

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Response to smokey nj (Reply #61)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 08:43 PM

63. Unfortunately, I can.

There's so much dumbfuckery going on, I can believe anything.

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Response to dorkzilla (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 06:17 PM

43. I'm so sick of innocents being murdered by arrogant assholes.

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Response to dorkzilla (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 06:22 PM

46. Take his guns. He's obviously a threat to living things.

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Response to dorkzilla (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 07:19 PM

56. What an asshole

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Response to dorkzilla (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 07:32 PM

57. some people just like to kill

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Response to dorkzilla (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 07:39 PM

59. Sympathy?

Put his head on a pike and set it afire for all I care.

No quarter for this asshole.

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