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Kyle Larson went into the fence on the final lap on Nationwide race at Daytona. No word yet on injuries.
MadHound
(34,179 posts)After all, isn't that why most people watch NASCAR, for the crashes?
MadHound
(34,179 posts)There's not just anecdotal evidence, but studies have been done on that as well.
http://tippie.uiowa.edu/news/story.cfm?ID=2903
You're even helping to prove my point. Not satisfied with just having a photo posted, you posted the video of it as well.
Renew Deal
(81,847 posts)Do you also think people watch basketball for the fights?
Look, a video:
MadHound
(34,179 posts)It is the guilty pleasure of many, if not most NASCAR fans. Like I stated earlier, it isn't just anecdotal evidence, but bona fide studies have proven it as well.
As far as an engine landing in the stands, this is the only place I've heard about it. There was a photo posted in the OP, but you had to go and post the video. What does that say about you
As far as watching the NBA, I stopped watching it long ago, back when it came less about team ball and more about individual accomplishments. Also, the refs have let the rules get so lax that you hardly see a travel called, or an over the back foul.
I don't need to watch a video of a car wreck, I've pulled plenty of dead and dying bodies out of car wrecks. Why do you feel the need to post one?
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)come into this thread and lecture people?
MadHound
(34,179 posts)It glorifies the unsustainable car culture of our country, it wastes thousands and millions of gallons of fuel, causing even more pollution. It is generally the purview of the redneck conservative(no, not all NASCAR fans are red neck conservatives, but most are). And finally, it is indeed watched for the wrecks. I'm sorry, but having worked as a firefighter, having pulled the dead and dying out of car wrecks, I find it obscene to glorify car wrecks.
Besides, this is a chat board, where everybody is free to comment in any thread. Don't like that, perhaps you need to find a different place to hang out at
I guess you told me.
MadHound
(34,179 posts)What, you want me to lie?
geologic
(205 posts)I don't see any difference...
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)That's what we watch Hockey for...
CincyDem
(6,338 posts)That's what you get from growing up with Bobby Hull, Stan Makita, and their enforcer Keith Magnuson (R.I.P.). It was always two for one night at the Stadium. Fights on Ice every night.
fishwax
(29,148 posts)I don't think that study exactly shows that most people watch NASCAR for the crashes.
MadHound
(34,179 posts)"Solow found that, indeed, the likelihood of a car wreck did increase viewership, as each additional crash per race increased the audience by about 6 percent in the pre-Chase era. Viewership didnt seem to be affected, he found, by how close the drivers were in the overall point standings for the Sprint Cup championship."
Also,
http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-1-4419-6630-8_6
Sissyk
(12,665 posts)Do you know what that means?
MadHound
(34,179 posts)No, I guess not.
Sissyk
(12,665 posts)The part about how that all changed after the Chase for the Championship went in effect?
fishwax
(29,148 posts)So I read it closely. It still doesn't say that most people watch NASCAR for the crashes.
Sissyk
(12,665 posts)It plainly says that after the points system was put in place after 2004, less and less were watching for the wrecks. Also, read the title of the article. Nevermind, you're mind is made up.
I've been a nascar fan for 30 years and some of the best races I've ever seen, especially at Daytona and Dega, were wreck free.
MadHound
(34,179 posts)I suggest you reread it as well.
Sissyk
(12,665 posts)Thanks, though!
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Sounds a whole lot like "some people say" to me. Where does that get used a lot?
Just askin', don't get all pissy.
MadHound
(34,179 posts)Look to my link in post nine.
THIS...
MadHound
(34,179 posts)Complete with attitude and everything. Everything except facts and logical arguments that is.
Welcome to DU, and enjoy your stay, however long, or short it is.
geologic
(205 posts)A lotta folks don't give a flyin' fuck about yer number of posts...
ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)when a noob is being rude to someone with thousands of posts...
but hey, play at your own risk, right?
sP
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appleannie1
(5,062 posts)do not like seeing someone injured or killed. They also don't like to see a beautiful, extremely expensive car destroyed.
11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)Renew Deal
(81,847 posts)Last edited Sat Feb 23, 2013, 06:31 PM - Edit history (1)
Sissyk
(12,665 posts)You could see it coming that close to the end. Four wide never turns out well at those speeds and with the bump drafting.
Edited to addl I hope all the fans are okay. Helton said some were transported to Halifax.
Mika
(17,751 posts)Some things did fly over the catch fence. Hope all are OK.
bluedigger
(17,086 posts)Still waiting to hear on injuries in the stands.
rgbecker
(4,820 posts)Seems one of the owners is finally calling it what it is. Big write off for corporate taxes..
Sissyk
(12,665 posts)Look for that 88 tomorrow sponsered by National Guard or Mt. Dew. Hopefully in the front. lol! Yes, I'm a nascar junkie.
jmowreader
(50,533 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,167 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)but that is a dangerous activity, and this is a very real risk. I hope everyone is okay. But when you choose to race cars at high speeds repeatedly, bodily injury is foreseeable.
Baclava
(12,047 posts)1955: Le Mans disaster claims 77 lives
Seventy-seven people have been killed and 77 others injured when two cars collided on the race track and crashed into the spectators' stand at Le Mans in north-west France.
The Mercedes-Benz being driven by Pierre Levegh hit the bank by the grandstand and immediately exploded. Parts of the wreckage were blown into the enclosure, killing scores of mostly-French spectators.
The accident happened about two hours after the 24-hour race began at the Le Mans circuit. There was no official announcement of the disaster and the race was allowed to continue
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/june/11/newsid_3726000/3726535.stm
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)but it just seems like such a dangerous activity to race at high speeds like that.
And the race cont'd because they didn't know about the tragedy. Unimaginable. Thanks for that video. The commentator said that what the Mercedes was made of was a substance that turns into an inferno.
Brother Buzz
(36,389 posts)As the remains of the 300 SLR slowed its somersault, the rear-mounted fuel tank ruptured. The ensuing fuel fire raised the temperature of the remaining Elektron bodywork past its ignition temperature, which due to its high magnesium content was lower than for other metal alloys. The alloy burst into white-hot flames, sending searing embers onto the track and into the crowd. Rescue workers, totally unfamiliar with magnesium fires, poured water on the inferno greatly intensifying the fire. As a result, the car burned for several hours.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)jambo101
(797 posts)Whereby all the cars are mechanically restricted to basically going the same speed so they tend to race in large packs rather than a long line of cars, so when an accident happens it usually involves many cars rather than just a couple of cars.
bluedigger
(17,086 posts)This could have happened at any track in the circumstances of a quick finish following another caution at the end of the race.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)the entire race. Not on the track. They were pretty much all bunched up during the entire race.
Go Vols
(5,902 posts)after the restrictor plates came into effect in '88,then all the areo stuff to slow them.
I like the fast cars to go on and it doesn't happen anymore,just a big wad of cars that usually wreck in the last couple of laps.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Racing engines in other types of race cars use fuel injection.
Brother Buzz
(36,389 posts)Fuel injection splashed at last years Daytona 500 race, but they are still using restrictor plates until they implement some sort of weird 'electronic' restrictor plate.
I spent ten minutes reading about it so I'm now a genuine authority.
Go Vols
(5,902 posts)A HERETIC I AM
(24,362 posts)You have one on your car, most likely.
Brother Buzz
(36,389 posts)But in my brief period of time reading about it, I understand they are trying to work out a formula that addresses fuel consumption and horse power limits at high rpm, and still leave a bit of meat on the bone for the engineers to work with.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,362 posts)wrecks that flung debris and entire cars for that matter into the stands would have become much more common.
The faster a Cup car goes, the lighter it becomes on the track.
They simply can not allow them to run the 220 MPH they are easily capable of.
redwitch
(14,941 posts)elleng
(130,768 posts)hootinholler
(26,449 posts)If you ever want to avoid a jury on any thread just post in it. Jurors are selected form outside any given thread.
redwitch
(14,941 posts)rppper
(2,952 posts)I knew something had happened when I heard all the engines shut down....damn!
House of Roberts
(5,167 posts)The big crash that happened with five or six laps to go resulted in a red flag, so the track could be cleared. The crash that caused these injuries and damage was on the last lap, after a green-white-checker restart.
Tikki
(14,549 posts)Welcome to DU..
The Tikkis
House of Roberts
(5,167 posts)Always good to know another family of Clan Robertson!
Brother Buzz
(36,389 posts)Tony Stewart won. Officials are sorting it out the find where others were positioned at the end.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)trumad
(41,692 posts)Wow! Glad I wasn't then.
ohheckyeah
(9,314 posts)It stops the action and sitting and waiting for the track to be cleaned up, not to mention worry about injuries, is not fun.
When Dale Earnhardt, Sr. was killed in a crash a lot of people demanded safer conditions for the drivers. It was a horrible thing to see and most NASCAR fans will never forget it and do not ever want to see a repeat.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)Granted, it's one guy out of many but still...
Go Vols
(5,902 posts)been cheering that the lead car,maybe his fav driver made it through the wreck without a scratch.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)but that is not how the majority of people are going to see it.
ohheckyeah
(9,314 posts)Maybe he was happy his favorite driver made it through the accident.
Sorry - that picture doesn't tell the story.
Elwood P Dowd
(11,443 posts)I've been to over 50 NASCAR races the past 43 years, and I don't know a single person who spends $100.00 or more for a NASCAR event just for the possibility of watching a wreck. There will always be a few casual fans, drunks, or TV watchers that might enjoy that, but the vast majority of those in the stands do not enjoy wrecks. Anybody that says otherwise is an idiot who has no fucking clue what they are talking about. I've attended many that never had a wreck, and some that never even had a caution flag.
npk
(3,660 posts)I love watching NASCAR each week, and not because of the wrecks, but the thrill of seeing the cars pass, bump and shove one another out of the way. Anyway, I also respect the people that think NASCAR is a waste of time and a waste of gasoline.
randome
(34,845 posts)CherokeeDem
(3,709 posts)I've been a Democrat and a NASCAR fan from the time I was able to understand both. Why in the world would I want to see my favorite drivers in a wreck...people get hurt in wrecks. I don't even want to see the drivers I don't like in a wreck. The best races are the ones where there are no wrecks...where the skill of the driver and the quality of the car wins the race. Are there a few idiots out there who live for wrecks...probably...but they aren't real fans...they're just idiots.
Everyone doesn't have to like NASCAR...I despise soccer (but love rugby)....but I don't begrudge or belittle the fans of soccer or any other sport. And yes, I am fully aware there's fuel involved, and lots of corporate money but you know what...it's enjoyable to those of us who love car racing whether it's stock or open wheel or whatever. NASCAR has been addressing the issue of fuel, hard to make changes overnight.
Wishing those injured a fast recovery....
A HERETIC I AM
(24,362 posts)I've been a racing fan for as long as I can remember and worked in the industry for 13 years. I've attended 4 Daytona 500's as a participant and 7 Indianapolis 500's as one also, along with hundreds of other races, both large and small.
There is an old saying, dating back to before I was a child growing up watching the Monaco GP on "Wide World of Sports";
"People don't watch motor racing for the crashes, but if there were no crashes, people would not watch racing".
To a certain degree, it is true. Crashes add drama to an event.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)Elwood P Dowd
(11,443 posts)of a big wreck. Most of the races don't have something like happened yesterday. Some of them never even have a caution flag except for oil or metal on the track. Had that wreck never happened, there would have been a very close finish and all the fans would be talking about what a great race it was.
Wrecks actually take away from the enjoyment. It's like a long timeout in a football game.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)It might have seemed like you knew what you were talking about.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)Yes, that is a TIRE in the seat.