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Sat Feb 23, 2013, 02:45 PM

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Scuba Feb 2013 OP
HappyMe Feb 2013 #1
Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #13
pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #2
Plucketeer Feb 2013 #15
kurtzapril4 Feb 2013 #38
SammyWinstonJack Feb 2013 #41
Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #39
Baitball Blogger Feb 2013 #3
FiggyJay Feb 2013 #4
mountain grammy Feb 2013 #5
AndyA Feb 2013 #6
xtraxritical Feb 2013 #30
Lordquinton Feb 2013 #7
NoMoreWarNow Feb 2013 #37
SammyWinstonJack Feb 2013 #42
Lordquinton Feb 2013 #48
NoMoreWarNow Feb 2013 #51
harmonicon Feb 2013 #36
Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #40
progressivejazzredux Feb 2013 #8
gateley Feb 2013 #53
chuckstevens Feb 2013 #9
Ohio Joe Feb 2013 #10
Lobo27 Feb 2013 #11
Scuba Feb 2013 #12
calimary Feb 2013 #16
summerschild Feb 2013 #18
freshwest Feb 2013 #31
toby jo Feb 2013 #17
calimary Feb 2013 #14
spanone Feb 2013 #19
Brigid Feb 2013 #20
ProfessionalLeftist Feb 2013 #21
BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2013 #22
tecelote Feb 2013 #23
LineReply !
lonestarnot Feb 2013 #24
progressoid Feb 2013 #25
Glimmer of Hope Feb 2013 #26
onecent Feb 2013 #27
tosh Feb 2013 #28
Historic NY Feb 2013 #29
WillyT Feb 2013 #32
NeeDeep Feb 2013 #33
SunSeeker Feb 2013 #34
dorkulon Feb 2013 #35
rhett o rick Feb 2013 #46
MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #43
rhett o rick Feb 2013 #47
Dustlawyer Feb 2013 #44
PatSeg Feb 2013 #45
Ikonoklast Feb 2013 #49
moondust Feb 2013 #50
gateley Feb 2013 #52

Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 02:48 PM

1. You tell 'em, Joe.



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Response to HappyMe (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 04:55 PM

13. My thought exactly! nt

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 02:51 PM

2. Gotta love him. He's the original BFD.

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:18 PM

15. I only wish we'd hear such sharp-edged candor

from the Oval Office! Instead, we get the droning intonations of a community organizer.

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Response to Plucketeer (Reply #15)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 09:18 AM

38. +3

You got that right!

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Response to Plucketeer (Reply #15)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 10:27 AM

41. Yeah working out great isn't it?

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 10:19 AM

39. BFD...that says it perfectly!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 02:57 PM

3. Whoa. That reminds me of another great quote from Cold Mountain.

Ruby: Every piece of this is man's bullshit. They call this war a cloud over the land. But they made the weather and then they stand in the rain and say 'Shit, it's raining!'

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 03:27 PM

4. If I remember correctly..

Biden voted for both the Iraq War and the Afghanistan War.
No, I'm not a troll, just a peacemonger.

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Response to FiggyJay (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 03:44 PM

5. Yes he did.. but did he vote to not fund them? Did anyone?

But I don't care, what he says is true. Repubs didn't give a shit about debt ("deficits don't matter) until we had a Democratic president, and a black one at that. Call em out for the lying sacks of shit they are, Joe!

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Response to FiggyJay (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 04:18 PM

6. Congress was lied to, just like the American people

They were told of WMDs, confirmed, as were we. Condi Rice warned of the possibility of a mushroom cloud. We were told we would be in and out quickly.

Had Congress been told the truth, that there was no verifiable evidence of WMDs, no connection with OBL, no connection with 9/11, that the two wars would last about a decade or longer, and would cost well over $1,426,446,030,970 before they were through--all of which would be borrowed money added to the deficit, how many Democrats would have voted NO instead of YES?

I was against the wars from the beginning as well, but the facts weren't exactly clear, and the media kept beating the war drum, which caused a lot of people to support the war.

We'll likely never know the outcome had the lies not been so rampant, but I still blame the GOP/Bush Administration for lying the country into wars that were unnecessary. I'm not defending anyone's vote, but if everyone had been told the truth from the beginning, I doubt we would have initiated military action. We would have found OBL and dealt with him, but the argument for going into a bloodbath in Iraq and Afghanistan would have been pretty weak.

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Response to AndyA (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 10:58 PM

30. Yeggzactly so.

 

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Response to FiggyJay (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 04:19 PM

7. Joe was lied to

Just like the rest of the world.

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Response to Lordquinton (Reply #7)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 08:16 AM

37. he knew better... come on

 

don't whitewash it.

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Response to NoMoreWarNow (Reply #37)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 10:32 AM

42. I think so too. nt.

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Response to NoMoreWarNow (Reply #37)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 03:14 PM

48. so you're psychic now?

a lot of people were for it, until they learned the truth. I think we can at least accept that he admitted his mistake and is trying to fix it.

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Response to Lordquinton (Reply #48)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 07:24 PM

51. he was smart enough to know better

 

please-- if we can figure it out on DU, him and others like him fucking knew WMD was a lie. To be generous, as a big-time politician, maybe he was more susceptible to the brainwashing/propaganda from the administration.

But my guess, is that he cynically knew exactly what he was doing. Biden's a good Dem but he's far from being perfect and he has long been been a military hawk.

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Response to FiggyJay (Reply #4)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 04:55 AM

36. My thoughts exactly. (nt)

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Response to FiggyJay (Reply #4)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 10:21 AM

40. He didn't vote for the tax cuts....

not in 2001 nor 2003....That's the issue.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 04:25 PM

8. Joe is a great VP.

He would have made a great President in '88. Too bad it's too late now (is it?).

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Response to progressivejazzredux (Reply #8)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 09:41 PM

53. I thought he would have made a great one in 2008, too! :-)

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 04:27 PM

9. Just Like Harry Truman

Plain, honest talk that exposes what unbelievable hypocrites that Republicans are. This is what the Democrats need to be doing EVERYDAY!

Dick Cheney famously said, "Ronald Reagan proved deficits don't matter." What Joe Biden was really saying is that to self-righteous Republicans, deficits only seem to matter when Democrats are in the White House. Sadly, I know fools who really believe the current deficits are President Obama's fault. The stupidity is mind blowing sometimes.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 04:28 PM

10. K&R - nt

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 04:42 PM

11. If there isn't a Dem President in 2016.

There will be another war put on a credit card. When people like Mccain send us roaring into Iran or NKorea. sigh..............

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Response to Lobo27 (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 04:53 PM

12. There's no oil in N. Korea. It'll be Iran.

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Response to Lobo27 (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:24 PM

16. Welcome to DU, Lobo27!

Glad you're here. That's something I fear, too.

EVEN IF the republi-CON who'd win would probably talk all nice and mellow about not flexing America's muscles and how we can't afford more wars like this - you just watch.

If that horrendous turn of fate were to happen, we'd have to watch ALL THE PEOPLE THAT republi-CON WOULD BRING INTO THE WHITE HOUSE WITH HIM. Who'd be advising him? Who'd be whispering in his ear at Camp David or after hours or at some of those fancy dinners? Who'd be on his National Security team? How many chickenhawks? It'd be a frickin' PARADE of chickenhawks all hot for war to prove how macho they are (since, after all, they couldn't be bothered to go to actual war when they were younger and had the chance, and now, in their dotage, they've still got chips on their shoulders that need to be exercised).

Just plain 'n' simple, the GOP needs to be kept OUT of the White House. Just think - if john mccain lives long enough - how many times HE would be in there as a "respected" elder statesman/advisor, and HE would be the one whispering in the GOP president's ear about going to war. At their last CONvention last August, remember how many wars he ticked off - Yemen, Syria, Iran, back to Iraq, beef up Afghanistan - I counted at least FIVE.

PLEASE, NOBODY FORGET:::::::: In the PNAC manifesto, they earnestly believed and pushed their KEY idea of the U.S. being able "to fight and decisively win multiple wars on multiple fronts." That was a HUGE part of it. Their absolutely idiotic, unrealistic, and utterly imaginary but still fervent belief that the United States is this invincible all-war-all-the-time machine, or should be. That's all they wanted. That's all they STILL want. They're not finished.

Believe me. They are NOT finished, NOR do they feel defeated. They are NOT finished. They are NOT willing to admit their ideas were wrong, impractical, unrealistic, untenable, or ridiculously impossible. THEY still think we're up to it, as some sort or warrior-nation. And I guarantee you, they WILL be back. Especially if they think they still have scores to settle, like mccain does, or all those fucking assholes who think we didn't finish the job in Iraq and need to go back in there and "show 'em who's boss!"

PLEASE DON'T FORGET THIS!!!! NOT EVER!!!!!

One other thing is key here, too::::: FEW IF ANY of the PNAC signatories ever fought. They NEVER saw combat. NEVER put their lives and/or limbs on the line for their country. CERTAINLY NEVER volunteered to put themselves in harm's way for their country. NEVER even wore their country's uniform (except for rumsfeld, who served during the time BETWEEN the Korean and Vietnam aggressions - but he never saw combat, either). Whether it was dick cheney, jebbie bush, frank gaffney, bill kristol, randy scheunemann, robert kagan, elliott abrams, ken adelman, or ANY of the rest of those bastards, NONE of them were military or war veterans. NONE of them knew anything about what war actually is - beyond what they saw on TV or heard about during high-level briefings while comfortably ensconced in their expensive padded leather conference room chairs. NOT ONE. But they sure knew how to saber-rattle, and NOBODY had bigger hard-ons for war.

It's probably the single biggest reason NEVER to vote for republi-CONS for national office - OR high state office. No matter how nice they seem or how mellow and reasonable and educated and grounded-in-reality they seem to be. NEVER. One of these assholes could be president some day, or vice president. And it's a mistake we CANNOT afford to make, as a nation, ever ever EVER again!!!!

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Response to calimary (Reply #16)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:54 PM

18. By jove, I think she's got it!!!

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Response to summerschild (Reply #18)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 12:11 AM

31. +1

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Response to Lobo27 (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:26 PM

17. Had the righties been in during the Arab spring

 

we'd have been on them like shit on a shingle. Manic bastards.

Go Joe, can't get enough of you.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:08 PM

14. NEVER forget!!!!!

Way to go, Joe! You ROCK, Mr. Vice President!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:59 PM

19. just slap the mofo, joe!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 06:01 PM

20. This is why . . .

We love Joe.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 06:21 PM

21. I loves me some Joe Biden

The guy doesn't mess around!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 06:23 PM

22. shushh, the Media is SLEEPING!

Guess it's up to us to keep ringing the alarm.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 06:25 PM

23. Can I kick this twice?

Once for what Joe said. Once for Joe.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 06:31 PM

24. !

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 06:48 PM

25. FuckinA

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 06:49 PM

26. Love this guy.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 07:18 PM

27. I love you Joe!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 07:24 PM

28. SEIZED! That's the perfect word for it!

Go JOE!!!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 08:17 PM

29. Yup.....how soon people forget

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 12:14 AM

32. HUGE K & R !!!


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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 12:30 AM

33. Harry Truman said it best: "I don't give them Hell, I just tell the truth, and they think it's Hell"

 

They manipulate, they don't care!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 12:41 AM

34. I'll drink to that.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 02:03 AM

35. God I loved that debate.

Joe really delivered when The President needed him. And the best part was i knew he'd crush it. I'd been saying for weeks that he'd take Wally to the woodshed and he did.

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Response to dorkulon (Reply #35)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 01:49 PM

46. I did also. nm

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 10:49 AM

43. This should be repeated by all Democrats to the media daily

Great stuff.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #43)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 01:51 PM

47. I like this idea. However, do you think the results would be worth the effort?

I would love to find a way to influence the corp-media. Maybe if we organized this and had a large group inundate the corp-media with propaganda (the truth) on a continual basis we could get some traction.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 12:58 PM

44. I would vote for Joe before Hilary! Would Hilary be the corporation shill her husband was?

Obama and Bill govern about the same. They throw us some bones with some meat on them, but give the steaks to the corporations. Joe is very direct and compassionate. He has not made himself rich while in public service, he has lived off of his salary. I would think he could help in the changes necessary to fix our democracy to represent our interests again, not just the rich and powerful!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 01:20 PM

45. No one has said it better,

clearer, or more succinctly.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 04:34 PM

49. Ryan was outed as an empty suit, and a not very bright one at that debate.

One of their best shown to be a hollow man.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 04:38 PM

50. K/R

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 09:38 PM

52. I LOVE THIS MAN!

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