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Sat Feb 23, 2013, 06:34 AM

Roman Church admits the Pope’s Guilt: Joseph Ratzinger to Evade Justice and Hide out in the Vatican

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In a statement to Reuters today, Vatican officials announced that Joseph Ratzinger will remain a permanent resident of Vatican City after his resignation. Doing so will offer him legal protection from any attempt to prosecute him in connection with sexual abuse cases around the world, Church sources said today

"His continued presence in the Vatican is necessary, otherwise he might be defenseless".

This startling admission of guilt by the church is also a direct obstruction of justice, and lends more weight to the charge by the ITCCS and others that the Vatican has arranged with the Italian government to shield Ratzinger from criminal prosecution, in violation of international laws ratified by Italy.

The Pope will remain a citizen of the Vatican City and therefore have immunity from prosecution within Italy, which upholds the Lateran Pacts from 1929 with the Holy See, and which established the Vatican City as a sovereign state. Pope Benedict XVI will become the first Pope to resign his Papacy since the 1414 resignation of Pope Gregory XII, and he will become the first to voluntarily quit his post as leader of the Catholic Church since Pope Celestine V in 1294.

Leaving the Vatican and Italy could result in the ex-Pope's arrest, since several countries have made plans to charge him with crimes, and possibly turn him over to an International court for prosecution. He will have no immunity if he leaves the Vatican City and Italy.

Source: The International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State (ITCCS - located in Brussels, Belgium)

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This was what got me:

"(If he lived anywhere else) then we might have those crazies who are filing lawsuits, or some magistrate might arrest him like other (former) heads of state have been for alleged acts while he was head of state," one source said."


"When we see white smoke signaling a new Pope just know they are burning evidence." @AlbertBrooks

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Reply Roman Church admits the Pope’s Guilt: Joseph Ratzinger to Evade Justice and Hide out in the Vatican (Original post)
Katashi_itto Feb 2013 OP
Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #1
AngryOldDem Feb 2013 #5
valerief Feb 2013 #18
hunter Feb 2013 #59
BainsBane Feb 2013 #93
AngryOldDem Feb 2013 #102
fasttense Feb 2013 #14
kardonb Feb 2013 #81
Le Taz Hot Feb 2013 #2
AngryOldDem Feb 2013 #6
Ilsa Feb 2013 #104
AngryOldDem Feb 2013 #108
Ilsa Feb 2013 #109
AngryOldDem Feb 2013 #3
Demeter Feb 2013 #29
AngryOldDem Feb 2013 #60
Berlum Feb 2013 #4
loudsue Feb 2013 #15
caseymoz Feb 2013 #33
life long demo Feb 2013 #7
caseymoz Feb 2013 #35
Voice for Peace Feb 2013 #51
caseymoz Feb 2013 #53
Voice for Peace Feb 2013 #62
caseymoz Feb 2013 #64
Voice for Peace Feb 2013 #71
LongTomH Feb 2013 #107
AngryOldDem Feb 2013 #114
tomp Feb 2013 #8
vlyons Feb 2013 #9
Berlum Feb 2013 #10
SunSeeker Feb 2013 #80
BillyJack Feb 2013 #84
caseymoz Feb 2013 #37
WinkyDink Feb 2013 #111
whistler162 Feb 2013 #105
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Response to Katashi_itto (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 06:37 AM

1. I strongly suspect it's something like that.

This organization took 600 years to admit the Earth isn't flat, and to Pardon Galileo. The idea that he's just breaking with centuries of tradition "just 'cuz" is ludicrous.

Finally people are taking seriously the idea that international laws were broken to protect child abusers from justice, and there is a paper trail putting this guy in the loop.

That's my hunch.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 06:45 AM

5. Oh, I imagine it's more than just the sex scandal.

He's been there long enough, and has been high enough in the organization, to have his hands in just about everything that's been going on.

Even if none of these criminals ever see a courtroom, I hope the world finally sees this institution and its leaders for the despicable frauds that they are.



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Response to AngryOldDem (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 08:30 AM

18. +1 gazillion

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Response to AngryOldDem (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 12:44 PM

59. The sex scandal is a diversion.

Like a startled squid they're throwing up a cloud of tabloid ink as a distraction.

Or maybe it's more like a sea cucumber's defense:


A sea cucumber in Mahé, Seychelles ejects
sticky filaments from the anus in self-defence
in an autotomic process known as evisceration


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_cucumber

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Response to AngryOldDem (Reply #5)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 02:10 AM

93. what could possibly be worse than enabling pedophilia?

The only thing I can think of is genocide, and I don't think he's had time for that.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #93)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 07:04 AM

102. There's also been the banking scandal that has been going on for a long time

and hasn't really been resolved yet.

While the sex scandal is front and center, I'm sure there's a lot more corruption that I'm sure Ratz knows about, and, if he weren't a part of the RCC, would be legally accountable for.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 08:12 AM

14. I listened to a segment of David Packman the other day and

He was saying that this was the case with this Pope. He figured this out awhile ago.

I guess he was right on the money with his analysis of the situation.

Man, is David Packman a sharp one, and a real up and comer you might want to keep your eye on him !!

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 12:24 AM

81. suspect...

just the fact that he is hiding in the Vatican is an admission of guilt . The Old Boys Club is at it again .

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Response to Katashi_itto (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 06:40 AM

2. Wow!



This made me want to wretch: "continued presence in the Vatican is necessary, otherwise he might be defenseless". Not quite as defenseless as children being sexually assaulted for decades. Cry me a river, Ratzi.

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 06:51 AM

6. That has ALWAYS been Rule #1.

"Protect our own." Everyone else can go to hell.

Just look at all the priests here in the United States who have been shuffled around like checkers, once abuse claims come out.

And, look at Bernard Law, who is spending his retirement in Vatican City. Maybe he and Ratz can play shuffleboard together.

Meanwhile, survivors have to go broke -- mentally, physically, financially -- trying to get the justice they deserve, and which would be readily available if the Roman Catholic Church weren't the main player. This bullshit of just shipping criminals off to some safe haven has to stop, Lateran Pact or not.

Have I mentioned lately just how much I despise the RCC?

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Response to AngryOldDem (Reply #6)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 10:38 AM

104. Survivors go broke, not just to get justice,

But just to get treatment.

My wish would be to see all the perps humiliated and in jail, and the assets of the Vatican divided amongst victims and individual churches. Personally, for all the wealth they sit on, I don't think the RCC does enough for the poor and sick, certainly not without strings attached.

Rec your post!

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #104)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 04:48 PM

108. I was involved with Voice of the Faithful...

...which formed when the Boston scandal hit. I became friends with a lot of survivors and the stories they told were heartbreaking. One man said that all he wanted was an apology. Never got it. Instead, he and his family were stonewalled at every turn by the Church and its lawyers.

In my opinion, statutes of limitation for sexual abuse, especially sexual abuse of a minor, should never run out. Just like those for murder. In a lot of ways, sexual abuse is akin to murder in that in some cases it does destroy lives, and in all cases changes them permanently. But guess who fights the hardest and longest whenever statutes of limitation and/or mandatory reporter amendments are brought up in state legislatures?



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Response to AngryOldDem (Reply #108)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 04:55 PM

109. Thank you being there for those

Survivors. As a victim of sexual assault (not related to RCC), it basically stole 4 years of my life from me, and altered it forever. And I had adult capacity to deal with it, unlike a child.

I was listening to part of HBO's Mea Culpa documentary. It sounded like one priest who was seeking justice for victims ended up using the confessional as an opening for their case, since the statute of limitations on anything involving The Confessional doesn't run out for the RCC. I don't know exactly how it worked, however. But the priest said the Vatican (Cardinal Ratzinger) finally agreed a year later to open that particular case.

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Response to Katashi_itto (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 06:40 AM

3. Just totally disgusting.

Vatican City is becoming a retirement community for these criminals.

No wonder the Church thinks it's above the law -- because it is, apparently. Time to rethink the Lateran Pacts.

Just like with Bernard Law -- if higher-ups are threatened with jail time, ship their asses off to the Vatican. Totally unacceptable. These are CRIMES that have to be answered to.

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Response to AngryOldDem (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 09:24 AM

29. So. throw up some walls and bar the windows

It will be a cheap prison....

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Response to Demeter (Reply #29)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 12:55 PM

60. As long as they don't have any authority.

...which they still do when they get trotted off to Rome.

Look for Roger Mahony to get some kind of "reassignment" to the Vatican before summer. Bank on it.

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Response to Katashi_itto (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 06:42 AM

4. This calls for an Inquisition

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Response to Berlum (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 08:18 AM

15. Well turn-about IS fair play! Right?

But The Inquisition was a witch hunt. Here, actual heinous crimes have been committed.

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Response to loudsue (Reply #15)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 09:50 AM

33. Inquisition still exists, and Benny was its head!

They just changed its name. The word "Inquisition" sounded too negative. I can't think why.

Back when he was still known as Cardinal Ratzinger (or Cardinal Rat) Pope Benny was the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, and the previous name for that outfit was Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Roman and Universal Inquisition, AKA the Roman Inquisition or The Holy Inquisition.

Compared to what it was in previous centuries, the Inquisition is rather toothless. Except it can and has defrocked and excommunicated many Catholic scholars and clergy who haven't towed the Vatican's line. It looks for ideological purity.

People who think the Church has changed from the middle ages are wrong. It hasn't. It's just painted over the rust and rot. If it had the same control today as it had in the Middle Ages-- and its trying to get it back-- it would behave the very same way.

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Response to Katashi_itto (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 07:12 AM

7. IMHO This kinda validates my inner feeling from almost

the beginning of Pope Benedicts rule that there was/is something wrong here. I am a lifelong Catholic and from the beginning I just didn't like or trust this pope. Which is not a good position to be in for a Catholic. But I felt that he was just like those "preachers" we have in the US that preach the good book but behind the scenes there was something going on. I don't believe he took part but by shielding those who were he is just a guilty if not more so. This is a sad day. So much for the conservative "religious" no matter what religion they are.

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Response to life long demo (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 09:57 AM

35. The fact that he looked like Darth Sidious


probably made you feel even more uneasy.

Now that he's out, and in disgrace, I think it's fair game to mention that.

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Response to caseymoz (Reply #35)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 11:19 AM

51. this guy? astonishing resemblance..

This Poop always gave me the creeps as well, though I
don't know why and have never been Catholic.

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Response to Voice for Peace (Reply #51)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 11:31 AM

53. Actually, this illustrates it better.

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I don't think the one on the right is morphed either.

Yes, I had bad feeling when he ascended to St. Peter's Throne.

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Response to caseymoz (Reply #53)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 01:10 PM

62. yikes

and people voluntarily put themselves under his power...

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Response to Voice for Peace (Reply #62)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 01:19 PM

64. Which one?


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Response to caseymoz (Reply #64)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 01:46 PM

71. The power of the Poop & his minions.

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Response to caseymoz (Reply #64)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 02:07 PM

107. Both of them actually: "This is how liberty dies.....with thunderous applause!"

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Response to life long demo (Reply #7)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 05:21 PM

114. Could it have been the fact that he was considered to be the Vatican's "pit bull"?

Just goes to show -- they're human just like everybody else. What a shock. From where I sit, they're all charlatans to some degree or another.

And I'm not giving Ratz the benefit of **any** kind of doubt as it concerns **anything** that's been going on inside or outside the Vatican. If you're Pope, you just don't up and give your two weeks' notice like he did. Something stinks here, badly.

LIke John XXIII, I think Ratz was pretty much seen as a "caretaker" Pope anyway. But, man, the difference between the two.

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Response to Katashi_itto (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 07:16 AM

8. a nice little latin term:

in absentia.

the world must know.

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Response to Katashi_itto (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 07:27 AM

9. The Catholic Church is just another cult

A rich and powerful cult, but a cult all the same. Where ever there's a cult, ya gotta know that a) they want your money, and b) forbidden sex is hypocritically practised by the leaders in secret.

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Response to vlyons (Reply #9)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 07:34 AM

10. ...and the US Supreme Court (R) is - alas - a freaking fiefdom of the Corrupt Catholic Cult (R)

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Response to Berlum (Reply #10)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 12:24 AM

80. Sad, but true. nt

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Response to Berlum (Reply #10)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 12:44 AM

84. So true! KICK n/t

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Response to vlyons (Reply #9)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 09:58 AM

37. I really think in the 2nd century


they looked like the Scientology of their day, and used much the same tactics.

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Response to caseymoz (Reply #37)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 04:59 PM

111. Oh, brother.

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Response to vlyons (Reply #9)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 10:49 AM

105. Ahhh 19th century people in the 21st century!

well if you have to hate something to survive I guess it is easier to hate Catholics than ethnics!

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Response to vlyons (Reply #9)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 04:59 PM

110. So you are into making up your own definitions now?

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Response to Katashi_itto (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 07:46 AM

11. Guilty or innocent, in this case hardly matters

The bottom line is that when he steps down, he will likely lose diplomatic immunity. Whether you or I happen to be fans of the concept or not, arresting a former Pope would not go down very well at all with a very large number of people. It is best that they keep him.

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Response to quaker bill (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 08:00 AM

13. Score one for the pedophiles.

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Response to GeorgeGist (Reply #13)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 09:45 AM

32. Putting a former Pope on trial would do precisely nothing.

It is not like he ordered them to do it. The problem runs way deeper than putting him on trial could ever fix.

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Response to quaker bill (Reply #32)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 10:41 AM

46. Fix? What about justice?


If somebody is too high up to put on trial, then justice is broken and can be fixed by arresting and trying him. Whether it fixes the Church or not is irrelevant.

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Response to caseymoz (Reply #46)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 12:42 PM

58. I do not find retribution to be part of justice

From everything I have read, lots and lots of cases have been successfully made against the actual perps. I know arresting and trying the Pope would be a big trophy for the wall. I generally don't collect trophies.

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Response to quaker bill (Reply #58)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 01:15 PM

63. Trophy?


Are you informed?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/21/pope-mexico-trip-2012_n_1369227.html

MEXICO CITY — Pope Benedict XVI arrives in Mexico this week to a very public reminder of one of the Catholic Church's most egregious sex abuse scandals: A new book says internal Vatican documents show the Holy See knew decades ago of allegations that the Mexican founder of the disgraced Legion of Christ religious order was a drug addict and pedophile.

The documentation has been compiled in a book "La voluntad de no saber" ("The will to not know"), which is co-authored by Jose Barba, a former Legion priest who along with other priests in 1998 brought a church trial against the Legion's founder, the Rev. Marciel Maciel, for having sexually abused them while they were seminarians.


And here is an indication of at least some of Benedict's culpability:

The former Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, now Benedict, headed the office that received their complaint in 1998, but it took the Vatican eight years to sanction Maciel for the crimes, while the accusers were branded as liars and discredited by the Legion.

Maciel, meanwhile, continued to enjoy Pope John Paul II's highest regard as the founder of one of the world's fastest-growing religious orders, able to attract money and vocations to the church despite the mounting accusations against him. John Paul admired the Legion's orthodoxy and discipline – qualities which set it apart from many other religious orders and made it attractive to many of Mexico's political and financial elite who sent their children to the Legion's schools and seminaries.

Benedict took over the Legion in 2010 after the order finally admitted Maciel had molested seminarians and fathered three children with two women. A Vatican investigation determined Maciel, who died in 2008, was a religious fraud who had built an order based on silence and obedience that allowed his double life to go unchecked.


That's only a hint. Maciel was so close to the Vatican and the papacy, but was such a good rainmaker, that it's hard to believe the Vatican didn't know.

Don't you think it should at least be investigated? I'm not talking about convicting the guy if he's innocent (but incompetent), but isn't there enough to at least look closer?

Do you consider that Ronald Reagan would have been a "Trophy" in Iran Contra? Or even Nixon in Watergate?

Apparently, people are so used to iniquity that justice seems like too much trouble now.

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Response to quaker bill (Reply #32)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 11:35 AM

55. He did order Cardinals to cover it up

And to me, that's even worse.

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Response to quaker bill (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 01:05 PM

61. He will lose diplomatic immunity for a few weeks until his successor makes him

an ambassador-at-large for Vatican City (a post he'll get solely to receive that immunity).

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Response to quaker bill (Reply #11)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 12:47 AM

85. I say charge in, arrest him, let his defenders scream.

I don't care what the enablers of child molesters have to say - if they're going to make a fuss because he wears that stupid hat, why should we respect them?

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Response to Katashi_itto (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 07:58 AM

12. Just as predicted at FATIMA.

The END of the church is just around the corner,
and it cannot come soon enough !

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Response to penndragon69 (Reply #12)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 08:18 AM

16. Good old Saint Malachy seems to be accurate in his pRoPhecY as weLL

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Response to Berlum (Reply #16)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 10:02 AM

39. Good lord! That is really interesting!

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #39)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 01:24 PM

67. Why? You believe in St. Malachy?

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #67)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 01:27 PM

69. Not particularly, I found it interesting.

Cant I find it simply interesting? As a film director, I always find stuff like this interesting. It appeals to the storyteller in me.

It always boils down to if the presenter is telling the truth, or is he adjusting facts to suit the "prophecy" or visa versa

Like the Nostradamus stuff, the verses are so open ended you can ascribe any meaning to them.

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #69)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 01:39 PM

70. Arnold Schwarzenegger is the "LAST POPE"



He was a humble Cardinal... they him made Pope...

They elected him to clean up the Vatican

...he gave them a Baptism of Blood....!

In THEATERS APRIL 1st!

IN 3D!!!

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Response to Berlum (Reply #16)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 06:04 AM

115. Man Of Sin Revealed - Pope Benedict XVI Bible Prophecy

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2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
( Pope Benedict XVI Resigns )
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed ( Sins of Pope Benedict XVI ) , whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2Th 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
2Th 2:14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.


http://www.revelationman.blogspot.com/

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Response to penndragon69 (Reply #12)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 12:48 AM

88. I thought that one said he was the last Pope by number. No more. Who'd've thought?

Still appear to be going through the process of picking a new one, though. Probably will know if that prophecy was right or not. If it was, I suspect another cult will spring up from that. People just seem to love being in a cult, whatever kind it is.

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Response to Katashi_itto (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 08:25 AM

17. In a way, this is reminiscent of the bush, cheney prosecutions.

A few countries put warrants out for their arrests for war crimes. After President Obama was elected we were told not to look back. It seems that w and cheney now travel abroad with impunity. Cheney has a warrant in Canada, yet has benn speechifying there without arrest. My conclusion? Money walks.
These war criminals and pedophiles could keep each other warm on cold prison nights, while the world sleeps much safer. Sadly, it will never happen. Ratzinger will probably get a p.r. firm also, to change his image.

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Response to dotymed (Reply #17)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 08:33 AM

20. American leaders are afraid of getting anthrax in their coffee if they prosecute Bush etal. nt

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Response to valerief (Reply #20)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 09:18 AM

26. now THAT made me almost spit soda on my screen=)

Thanks, and I share the above posters conclusion as to the corrollary between Bush, et al, and Benny the Rat (and I'm Catholic).
Maybe, some good will come from this, as in, if there can now, FINALLY, be an open discussion WITH the Vatican about what's been happening, perhaps internal changes can be made that will help modernize that Institution.

But since it's the Old Men in Rome, I'm not holding my breath.

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Response to Katashi_itto (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 08:32 AM

19. I wonder if Ken Lay retired to Vatican City, too. nt

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Response to valerief (Reply #19)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 08:45 AM

21. Good One!!

I always wondered if his death was staged to avoid prison!

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Response to vankuria (Reply #21)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 08:48 AM

23. If it appears to be a major coincidence, then, duh, it is most likely is, is my thinking.

He was saved and not by Jesus.

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Response to valerief (Reply #19)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 09:30 AM

30. George AWOL Bush's buddy "Kenny Boy" is soaking up the rays on a beach somewhere

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Response to Katashi_itto (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 08:47 AM

22. What is ludicrous is the idea that the church is a Nation.

Time to put an end to that fallacy too!

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #22)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 10:18 AM

44. Then you'd need to put an end to Israel's right to be a Jewish state, too.

Last edited Sun Feb 24, 2013, 07:18 AM - Edit history (1)

Or for any religion to be a nation. I wouldn't mind any of that but I don't see it happening.

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Response to randome (Reply #44)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 10:21 AM

45. How about if every mega-church property became a country. Also equivalent?

Israel is a bit larger than a postage-stamp country.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #22)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 01:25 PM

68. How do you feel about the casino known as Monaco?

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #68)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 01:37 PM

106. At least it is a traditional state, not a special legal exclusion zone protecting a cult of peds

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Response to Katashi_itto (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 08:52 AM

24. Vatican City has Popes

 

We have Bankers. In both cases, Too Big to Prosecute.

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Response to Jumpin Jack Fletch (Reply #24)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 10:01 AM

38. Vatican had its own banksters, too! And that scandal still festers

...there was a twist on Friday when Pope Benedict XVI replaced Monsignor Ettore Balestrero, a powerful behind-the-scenes figure in the Secretariat of State with a major role in handling the Vatican bank's foreign relations.

He is being sent as Vatican envoy to Colombia -- a serious demotion.

Balestrero has been a key figure in Vatican efforts to overhaul its scandal-tainted bank to comply with international anti-money laundering laws.

La Repubblica said Balestrero's name was mentioned in the cardinals' report...

http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/gossip-scandal-erupts-in-vatican-ahead-of-pope-s-exit-334388


In fact, tourists can only use cash, because the Vatican has been blackballed by the credit card corporations...

Vatican Goes ‘Cash Only’ Because of Lack of Money-Laundering Controls

http://rendezvous.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/04/vatican-goes-cash-only-because-of-lack-of-money-laundering-controls/

If you’re planning a trip to the Vatican, be sure to take cash.

Since Wednesday, museums and businesses in the Holy See have been declining credit card and debit card purchases following a decision by the Bank of Italy that is reportedly linked to concerns over inadequate money-laundering controls.

Cash machines have also been shut down after the Italian central bank refused authorization for Deutsche Bank’s Italian unit to continue operating services it provided within the Vatican’s walls.

An Italian treasury official said last month that the Vatican could no longer use the services of Italian-based banks in the light of new rules against money laundering, according to Vatican Radio.

“The Bank of Italy could not give the authorization because the Vatican, apart from not respecting money-laundering regulation, did not have the legal prerequisites,” Reuters reported, quoting a source close to the Bank of Italy....


You could write a book.

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Response to Demeter (Reply #38)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 06:28 PM

72. Vatican Bank (R) is the real scandal -- just waiting for the other sandal to drop

Scrooge McRatzinger (R)

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Response to Katashi_itto (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 09:16 AM

25. What Else Are They Covering Up With This Action

Is it just the scope of the problem or some other skeleton(s) rattling around. Could the Pope be a closeted gay, for instance, and was he blackmailed into the possibly criminal conduct that is at the core of this action. This move certainly invites speculation.

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Response to Katashi_itto (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 09:22 AM

27. Another Amazing Abuse of Power by the Catholic Church

perhaps NOW it will be killed off by its sins?

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Response to Katashi_itto (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 09:23 AM

28. What a great day to be an Atheist!

Although I am not, technically, an Atheist, I'm still going down to the bar to buy all the Catholics there a drink. Today they need it!

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Response to another_liberal (Reply #28)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 09:56 AM

34. Don't know as there's any "technique" involved in being an Atheist...

other than intellectual rigor and the use of reason and reality.

That's the beauty of atheism....an infinite number of paths to the "Truth"...with no Trademark, Corporate legalisms, or conformity invoked or required.

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Response to Demeter (Reply #34)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 10:05 AM

41. I believe in all gods, and I believe in none . . .

I believe in all gods, and I believe in none of them; nevertheless, joining an organized religion is something I would only do for a salary and good benefits.

Hey, maybe I should become a Catholic Cardinal!

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Response to Katashi_itto (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 09:38 AM

31. WWJD .................

If the pope REALLY believed in Jesus and what he preached the pope would give himself up.

By his actions you will know him .........


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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #31)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 09:57 AM

36. If he really believed in Jesus's teaching

he would never get to be Pope.

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Response to Katashi_itto (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 10:04 AM

40. Looking at the way people threw Joe Paterno under the bus for things that happened at Penn State,

this Pope should also be publicly shamed and treated just as badly, if not worse that the actual offenders (assuming he was not an active participant). Many people trust the Pope to be a figure of high morality as the leader of one of the largest churches in the world. The Pope is someone who should be revered, he's supposed to be representative of God on Earth (please correct me if I am wrong, I'm not a Catholic). If they don't throw the book at this guy, it looks from an outsider's point of view like they are to some extent condoning his behavior.

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Response to tarheelsunc (Reply #40)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 06:36 AM

101. Catholics believe

that the Pope is infallible only in terms of carrying out the word of god (or something like that). They believe that as a man, he is just like everyone else. At least that's what I've beem told.

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Response to Katashi_itto (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 10:06 AM

42. The sources dont "admit his guilt."

 

This is adding something to the story that isnt there. They said they dont want people to go after him. Maybe they believe any legal action is unwarranted because they think he is innocent, and they fear people will try to arrest him for political reasons.

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Response to midwest irish (Reply #42)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 10:50 AM

48. Your post is bull

There is enough evidence for a grand jury to hold him for trial

'Political Reasons' .......... and what political reasons would that be??

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #48)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 10:54 AM

49. "There is enough evidence for a grand jury to hold him for trial"

 

I never said there wasnt. I said the source in the story did not state he was guilty.

Him being guilty, and his boys saying he is guilty, are two different things.



Thanks for playing.

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Response to midwest irish (Reply #49)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 11:25 AM

52. Thank you for playing

How about answering my question

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #52)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 11:32 AM

54. 'Political Reasons' .......... and what political reasons would that be??

 

You will need to ask the sources cited in the article if you want an answer. I assume they believe there is a modern which hunt against the Church, thus the reason for describing the people "those crazies."

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #48)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 01:23 PM

66. Well, only an actual Grand Jury can determine if there's "enough evidence."

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Response to Katashi_itto (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 10:15 AM

43. Misleading: they didn't admit he was guilty.

In fact, by coddling him and saying "he might be defenseless" (oh, poor Benny) they're suggesting that he's innocent, but might be unjustly prosecuted.

All they admitted to was that the scandals have become so bad that his arrest is likely if not imminent. That is bad enough, especially when details that haven't come out yet prompted him to resign.

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Response to Katashi_itto (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 10:45 AM

47. This article is deceitful. nothing has been admited - nothing yet is known..there are accusations -

but we do not know what this is all about yet.

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Response to Douglas Carpenter (Reply #47)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 02:53 AM

94. That is a fact.

People are running away with the ITCCS statements. ITCCS has a huge agenda and they are very prone to blow things out of proportion or even fabricate to make a point.

I would take the Vatican statement at your own interpretation but if ITCCS is involved in adding, subtracting or bloviating, I would skip that part. Seriously. ITCCS is not helping the cause of bringing justice to the guilty when they write articles that are nonfactual for the purpose of creating a sensation. Stick to the facts and we will get the basta#ds

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Response to Katashi_itto (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 11:15 AM

50. More undocumented ITCSS stuff

These were the same people who said they had a letter from the Vatican to the Italian government last week?

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #50)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 02:57 AM

95. Yep

And I would think there would have been enough time for clarification by now. No one is picking it up except some bloggers that connect the dots to where they want them to be. Stick with the facts first, and we just might get somewhere.

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Response to Katashi_itto (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 11:45 AM

56. They need to make life miserable for the next Pope.

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Response to Katashi_itto (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 12:16 PM

57. I wonder what was in those papers the butler snuck out of the Vatican, and if that is why

Ratzo resigned?

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Response to Katashi_itto (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 01:22 PM

65. Reading comprehension much? There is ZERO "admission of guilt" in the article.

As an aside: Do you call Queen Elizabeth II "Lillibet Mountbatten-Windsor"?

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #65)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 06:31 PM

73. I really don't think we need an "admission of guilt." nt

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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #73)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 09:09 PM

75. He's GUILTY AS SIN, but that doesn't refute my point.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #75)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 10:22 AM

103. "Based on a true story"

I always like that line in movie credits - "based on a true story".

D'jever notice how crappy everyone's picture is on their poetic license?

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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #73)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 02:59 AM

97. a pitch fork maybe?

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Response to Katashi_itto (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 08:47 PM

74. Looks to me

like its a different form of house arrest.

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Response to Katashi_itto (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 09:14 PM

76. The Vatican is a crime syndicate.

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Response to Katashi_itto (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 10:24 PM

77. Of course he is going to hide for the remainder...

of his life.That's what they do.He and millions think he is above the law. So I suppose the Vatican is SANCTUARY! I say storm the castle.

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Response to Katashi_itto (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 10:34 PM

78. Bunch of immoral motherfuckers.I remember my

Aunt who was very Catholic when I was a little girl.I can remember her going to that huge Catholic Church a few blocks away. She would always say her so called prayers with those damn rosary beads ....then beat her elderly mother.I remember she told me not to tell my dad cause if I did I would go to hell. Then when I told her I would tell she twisted my ear till a piece of my skin came off.I ran and told my dad and mom.My dad slapped her and my mom kicked her ass.

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Response to SummerSnow (Reply #78)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 12:35 AM

83. Isn't it ironic that when these Catholics are confronted, they don't confess & ask for forgiveness,

they just get angry. I am convinced none of them really believe in God...or hell.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #83)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 05:10 PM

112. I know a "Catholic" who does exactly that: Gets angry, and then continues to ignore

any reality that doesn't go with his twisted version of reality.

And then this so-called catholic sleeps with his girlfriend who he'll never marry...

He also doesn't give one rat's ass for the needs of the poor or elderly or sick. To hell with everyone, as long as I get what I want.

Amazing. They obviously don't believe in sin or hell or that god's watching them. But they get their "get out of hell free" card every sunday, so, it just doesn't matter if they follow any doctrine at all.

None of them acts like they believe anything they claim to believe.

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Response to Katashi_itto (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 10:47 PM

79. The Catholic Church is not above the law!!!!!

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Response to Katashi_itto (Original post)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 12:28 AM

82. Where there's white smoke

there's fire.

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Response to Katashi_itto (Original post)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 12:47 AM

86. K & R !!!




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Response to Katashi_itto (Original post)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 12:48 AM

87. This is not an Onion article? tia


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Response to Katashi_itto (Original post)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 01:02 AM

89. I knew it!

He announced his resignation just before Lent started which is a very odd time for a Pope to resign. I was raised Catholic but gave it up many years ago so the significance of that wasn't lost on me.

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Response to Katashi_itto (Original post)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 01:22 AM

90. So we are letting a treaty made between the Vatican and a fascist state get in the way of justice?

That's really messed up. Honestly, I don't know why Italy still upholds the Lateran Treaty. The Vatican should be subject to the same laws as the rest of Italy and the world.

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Response to Katashi_itto (Original post)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 01:45 AM

91. No longer a catholic

I gave up on this Church after much indoctrination, explored several others, gave up on them, and finally realized that I don't need any of them. I am a scientist with humanist thoughts.

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Response to Katashi_itto (Original post)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 02:05 AM

92. Can we ban this criminal organization from our shores yet? n/t

 

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Response to Demo_Chris (Reply #92)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 03:00 AM

98. Hey, good idea.

That's one way to get rid of 5 right wing supreme court justices!

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Response to Katashi_itto (Original post)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 02:58 AM

96. If you didn't do anything wrong, you've got nothing to hide.

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Response to Katashi_itto (Original post)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 03:23 AM

99. Now we're getting somewhere

As far as the world outside his cloister is concerned, he is not immune to secular law. He knows that, his cardinals know that. They can call it anything they want, but as far as the rest of the world is concerned Ratzinger is a dirty old man who covered up the crimes of pedophiles.

He can remain in self-imposed house arrest until he rots, as far as I am concerned. What I hope for is that all the men he enabled will answer for their own crimes in secular courts of law all over Europe and the US -- and it looks like it might actually gain momentum now.

Hekate

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Response to Katashi_itto (Original post)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 03:27 AM

100. Where's Reagan when you finally need him, huh?

"Bombing begins in 10 minutes"

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Response to Katashi_itto (Original post)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 05:15 PM

113. We did all of this last week: The timing is exactly to avoid prosecution because the Rhode Island

Rhode Island judge opened the sealed files for an american suit last week.

The niece is suing the local catholic fund-raiser because he's an accused pedophile, and they bilked her dead aunt out of $60 mill.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022390022

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