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From: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2013/02/21/balanced-plan-avert-sequester-and-reduce-deficit-balanced-way




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Reply From The White House, Today... Please Discuss... (Original post)
WillyT Feb 2013 OP
forestpath Feb 2013 #1
AnnieK401 Feb 2013 #18
woo me with science Feb 2013 #21
lonestarnot Feb 2013 #30
Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #2
hay rick Feb 2013 #3
Autumn Feb 2013 #4
WillyT Feb 2013 #5
MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #6
tpsbmam Feb 2013 #19
Autumn Feb 2013 #23
tpsbmam Feb 2013 #24
Autumn Feb 2013 #25
tpsbmam Feb 2013 #27
woo me with science Feb 2013 #33
MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #7
MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #8
WillyT Feb 2013 #9
woo me with science Feb 2013 #32
theaocp Feb 2013 #10
Nite Owl Feb 2013 #11
WillyT Feb 2013 #12
Nite Owl Feb 2013 #13
HiPointDem Feb 2013 #14
woo me with science Feb 2013 #28
Enrique Feb 2013 #15
Nite Owl Feb 2013 #16
freshwest Feb 2013 #17
Autumn Feb 2013 #22
MadHound Feb 2013 #20
BootinUp Feb 2013 #26
datasuspect Feb 2013 #29
woo me with science Feb 2013 #31

Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 08:31 PM

1. A lot of those things sound really ominous. "Reform Federal retirement programs" - WTF?

 

In other words - screw over Federal employees even more.

"Reform postal service" - more employees being screwed over, no doubt.

And those "health savings" items - WTF does "encourage beneficiaries to seek high value health care" mean and "most fortunate" compared to what?

I could go on but this makes me sick. Oh, but I better not get sick. My health care might not be high value enough.

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Response to forestpath (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 03:04 PM

18. There are real people who will be hurt behind those numbers.

From what I understand, this country already does less for it's elderly and vulnerable than most (if not all) other developed countries as it is. If you depend on Social Security (as many do) you are basically just above or below poverty level. Cost of living adjustments are bare bones anyway. Now they want to cut the way cost of living adjustments are figured? What do they figure, that Grandma can just buy a cheaper brand of cat food?

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Response to AnnieK401 (Reply #18)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 03:40 PM

21. Barack Obama: "This is not a bloodless process."

Barack Obama: "Too many of us have been interested in defending programs as written in 1938."


Here's the chilling video, in his own words:



More here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1540315

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Response to forestpath (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 09:38 PM

30. And cutting payments to hospitals for those who don't pay. What if they can't fucking pay?

So hospitals will turn patients away then?

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 08:33 PM

2. Pay attention to the entitlements behind the curtain.

 

Corporate Profits Have Grown By 171 Percent Under Obama -- Highest Rate Since 1900

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/corporate-profits-have-grown-171-percent-under-obama-highest-rate-1900
"Average annual corporate profit growth under Obama is the highest since 1900, whereas profit growth declined during both Bush presidencies. As a share of the economy, corporate profits have never been higher.
Unfortunately, this profit deluge has not been shared by workers, whose wages as a percentage of the economy have fallen to all-time lows. Workers also got dinged by the recent increase in the payroll tax, which was large enough to wipe out a minimum wage increase in some states."



8 Huge Corporate Handouts in the Fiscal Cliff Bill


http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/8-huge-corporate-handouts-fiscal-cliff-bill

"Throughout the months of November and December, a steady stream of corporate CEOs flowed in and out of the White House to discuss the impending fiscal cliff. Many of them, such as Lloyd Blankfein of Goldman Sachs, would then publicly come out and talk about how modest increases of tax rates on the wealthy were reasonable in order to deal with the deficit problem. What wasn’t mentioned is what these leaders wanted, which is what’s known as “tax extenders”, or roughly $205B of tax breaks for corporations. With such a banal name, and boring and difficult to read line items in the bill, few political operatives have bothered to pay attention to this part of the bill. But it is critical to understanding what is going on.

5) Subsidies for Goldman Sachs Headquarters – Sec. 328 extends 'tax exempt financing for York Liberty Zone,' which was a program to provide post-9/11 recovery funds. Rather than going to small businesses affected, however, this was, according to Bloomberg, 'little more than a subsidy for fancy Manhattan apartments and office towers for Goldman Sachs and Bank of America Corp.' Michael Bloomberg himself actually thought the program was excessive, so that’s saying something. According to David Cay Johnston’s The Fine Print, Goldman got $1.6 billion in tax free financing for its new massive headquarters through Liberty Bonds."

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 08:39 PM

3. Superlative CPI.

Just another name for chained CPI.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 08:41 PM

4. What the fuck is a superlative CPI????

Reform Federal Retirement programs?? I hope to hell he's talking about his and the congress and the senates.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 09:23 PM

5. Yeah... Huh ???




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Response to Autumn (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 09:24 PM

6. As Hay Rick writes above, it's a cut in Social Security

A.k.a chained CPI a.k.a. old folks get fucked.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 03:34 PM

19. Wellllllll.....ya hated "chained CPI" soooo.......

WTF do you want? We renamed it! Geez, greedy 99% takers!!



(just in case you needed it)

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Response to tpsbmam (Reply #19)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 03:59 PM

23. I get it now. A chained CPI is

supercalifragilisticexpialidocious

it's very similar to superlative cause they both have the beginning word super..followed by a lot of nonsense of the highest order.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #23)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 04:06 PM

24. To which you're supposed to jump up and down and cheer because Obama proposed

it so it couldn't possibly be sticking it to "the little people".....since he's always on our side, right? Right?

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Response to tpsbmam (Reply #24)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 04:18 PM

25. Right!!!!! and besides it will never pass

"Every proposal he has made hasn't panned out." and yes I copied and pasted that drivel from another DUers post.

therefore it's just fine that it's back on the table. I find it very disturbing to think the only reason we don't have a chained CPI is because the pukes won't negotiate with Obama, not because Obama isn't willing to do a chained CPI .

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Response to Autumn (Reply #25)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 04:44 PM

27. I hope to hell the progressive caucus sticks to their promise to vote against

bills with chained CPI as part of them.....time to be pushing them on this!

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Response to tpsbmam (Reply #24)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 01:08 PM

33. +1 Go BLUE!

Remember what team we are on.

Don't look at what's being done. Focus on the pretty blue colors.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 09:30 PM

7. Why is Obama so hellbent on the Chained CPI? Why is he so eager to stick it to old people

 

dependent on SS?

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Response to MotherPetrie (Reply #7)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 09:32 PM

8. He wants to be the President that was so utterly incredible

that he was even able to touch the third rail of politics, and win... and many alleged Democrats are pretty OK with that.

Sick.

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Response to MotherPetrie (Reply #7)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 09:33 PM

9. He's Being SERIOUS, And PRAGMATIC, And BI-PARTSAN, And MATURE... Don'tcha Know ???


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Response to MotherPetrie (Reply #7)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 02:56 AM

32. Long-term plan.

See the links in post 21.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 09:39 PM

10. k&r n/t

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 09:45 PM

11. Would he have the votes

if the GOP were to agree with this?
The Progressive Caucus has said they would not vote for anything that cuts SS which means using the chained CPI. For once I hope they stick with us instead of blowing a lot of air and then when it comes to a vote they can't cross the White House or leadership?
Where's the AARP and Moveon etc.? Is anyone even going to try?
It isn't 'the base' he's standing up to it's a strong majority of the people both Dems and Republicans.

The whole thing makes me feel sick.

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Response to Nite Owl (Reply #11)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 09:49 PM

12. You Really Want To Feel Sick ??? - Read THIS:

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Response to WillyT (Reply #12)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 11:12 PM

13. When you start

putting all parts together like it was a puzzle it isn't just sickening it's downright scary.

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Response to Nite Owl (Reply #13)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 11:22 PM

14. yes, it's scary, ominous, sickening.

 

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Response to WillyT (Reply #12)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:36 PM

28. +10000

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 11:24 PM

15. someone must have hacked the White House website

Julian Assange maybe?

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 11:41 PM

16. Progressive Caucus letter to White House

Note that it never comes out and say they won't vote for any bill containing SS cuts. It sounds like another 'strongly worded' letter expressing their thoughts on the matter. My Rep has signed so he gets a call Mon am.

February 15, 2013

Dear President Obama:

We want to thank you for standing strong in the American Taxpayer Relief Act to protect Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid from benefit cuts that would jeopardize the well-being of millions of Americans.

We write to affirm our vigorous opposition to cutting Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid benefits in any final bill to replace sequestration. Earned Social Security and Medicare benefits provide the financial and health protections necessary to keep individuals and families out of poverty. Medicaid is not only a lifeline for low-income children, pregnant women, people with disabilities and families, it is the primary source of long-term care services and supports for 3.6 million individuals. We cannot overstate their importance for our constituents and our country.

That is why we remain deeply opposed to proposals to reduce Social Security benefits through use of the chained CPI to calculate cost-of-living adjustments. We remain committed to making the changes that will extend solvency for 75 years, but Social Security has not contributed to our current fiscal problems and it should not be on the bargaining table.

Similarly, we oppose proposals to increase Medicare cost-sharing requirements or to raise the age of eligibility. Half of all Medicare recipients live on less than $22,000 a year – yet they spend, on average, three times as much of those limited incomes on health care as other Americans. Raising their already heavy cost-sharing burden or increasing the age of eligibility doesn’t lower health care costs, it just shifts them to those who can least afford more financial burdens – seniors, people with disabilities and their families.

A commitment to keeping the middle-class strong and reducing poverty requires a commitment to keeping Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid strong. We urge you to reject any proposals to cut benefits, and we look forward to working with you to enact approaches that instead rely on economic growth and more fair revenue-raising policies to solve our fiscal problems.

Sincerely,

Schakowsky, Jan

Ellison, Keith

Grijalva, Raúl M.

Conyers, John

Edwards, Donna

Barber, Ron

Bass, Karen

Bera, Ami

Bonamici, Suzanne

Brady, Robert

Braley, Bruce L.

Brown, Corrine

Brownley, Julia

Bustos, Cheri

Butterfield, G.K.

Capps, Lois

Cardenas, Tony

Cartwright, Matthew

Castor, Kathy

Christensen, Donna M.,

Chu, Judy

Cicilline, David

Clarke, Yvette D.

Clay Jr., William "Lacy"

Cleaver, Emanuel

Cohen, Steve

Conyers Jr., John

Courtney, Joe

Cummings, Elijah

Davis, Danny K.

DeFazio, Peter

DeLauro, Rosa L.

Deutch, Ted

Duckworth, Tammy

Edwards, Donna F.

Ellison, Keith

Eshoo, Anna G.

Faleomavaega, Eni F. H.

Farr, Sam

Fattah, Chaka

Frankel, Lois

Fudge, Marcia L.

Garamendi, John

Grayson, Alan

Green, Al

Green, Gene

Grijalva, Raul

Gutierrez, Luis

Hahn, Janice

Hastings, Alcee L.

Hinojosa, Rubén

Holt, Rush

Honda, Mike

Huffman, Jared

Jackson Lee, Sheila

Jeffries, Hakeem

Johnson, Eddie Bernice

Johnson, Henry C. "Hank" Jr.

Kaptur, Marcy

Kildee, Daniel

Kirkpatrick, Ann

Langevin, Jim

Lee, Barbara

Lewis, John

Loebsack, David

Lofgren, Zoe

Lowenthal, Alan

Lujan Grisham, Michelle

Lynch, Stephen F.

Maloney, Carolyn

Markey, Ed

Matsui, Doris O.

McDermott, Jim

McGovern, James

Meng, Grace

Michaud, Michael

Moore, Gwen

Nadler, Jerrold

Negrete McLeod, Gloria

Nolan, Rick

Norton, Eleanor Holmes

Pastor, Ed

Payne Jr., Donald

Pingree, Chellie

Pocan, Mark

Rangel, Charles B.

Roybal-Allard, Lucille

Rush, Bobby L.

Ryan, Tim

Sablan, Gregorio

Sanchez, Linda

Scott, Robert C.

Serrano, José E.

Shea-Porter, Carol

Sinema, Kyrsten

Sires, Albio

Slaughter, Louise

Speier, Jackie

Takano, Mark

Thompson, Bennie G.

Tierney, John

Titus, Dina

Tonko, Paul D.

Vargas, Juan

Veasey, Marc

Velázquez, Nydia M.

Waters, Maxine

Watt, Mel

Waxman, Henry

Welch, Peter

Wilson, Frederica



cc: Speaker John Boehner

House Minority Leader Pelosi

Senate Majority Leader Reid

Senate Minority Leader McConnell

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 12:46 AM

17. Your graphic shows CPI. The link you cite does not show that graphic on my computer:

A Balanced Plan to Avert the Sequester and Reduce the Deficit

Jennifer Palmieri February 21, 2013

In eight days, harmful automatic cuts are slated to take effect, threatening hundreds of thousands of jobs, and cutting vital services for children, seniors, people with mental illness and our men and women in uniform.

Only Congress can avoid this self-inflicted wound to our economy and middle class families, and the only thing standing in the way of a solution today is Congressional Republicans’ refusal to even consider closing tax loopholes that benefit wealthy Americans and well-connected corporations. The President and Congressional Democrats have put forward solutions to avoid these cuts and allow time for both sides to work on a long-term, balanced solution to our deficit challenges.

The President is serious about cutting spending, reforming entitlements and the tax code to reduce the deficit in a balanced way. The question is, will Congressional Republicans come to the table to get something done?

Let’s take a moment to look what we’ve done so far: The President has already reduced the deficit by over $2.5 trillion, cutting spending by over $1.4 trillion, bringing domestic discretionary spending to its lowest level as a share of the economy since the Eisenhower era . As a result of these savings, together with a strengthening economy, the deficit is coming down at the fastest pace of anytime in American history other than the demobilization from World War II.




The next paragraph after that graphic downloads a graphic when I click on these words:

...he's laid out a specific plan to do more.

But the page nor the pdf mentions CPI. When I went further down the page there is a link at the text ...Here it is again.

I am unable to make those words produce the pdf here, but if one goes to them they will get one and it will not say anything about CPI. Please show me where your graphic came from on the link that you cite in the OP, because I am not seeing it on that page or in the article links. TIA.

This is all I am able to provide by copying and pasting the contents of the pdf, I apologize for the format:

The President’s Plan: $4 Trillion of Deficit Reduction Including the Last Offer to
Speaker Boehner
(in $ billions)
THE PRESIDENT HAS SIGNED INTO LAW MORE THAN $2.5 TRILLION OF DEFICIT
REDUCTION
Spending cuts to discretionary programs enacted over the past two years,
(not counting war savings) $1,400
New revenue from wealthiest in fiscal cliff deal More than $600
Interest savings More than $500
Subtotal, Deficit Reduction to Date More than $2,500
THE PRESIDENT’S LAST OFFER TO SPEAKER BOEHNER IS STILL ON TABLE: MORE THAN
$1.5 TRILLION IN ADDITIONAL DEFICIT REDUCTION
Spending Reductions
Even split between defense and nondefense discretionary savings $200
• Non-defense discretionary spending $100
• Defense discretionary spending $100
Health savings – could be achieved by: $400
• Reduce payments to drug companies $140
• Reduce hospital payments such as reimbursement for patients who don’t pay $30
• Encourage efficient care after a hospital stay $50
• Encourage beneficiaries to seek high value health care and ask the most fortunate to
pay more $35
• Medicaid, Pay-for-Delay, IPAB, program integrity $25
• Other health savings $120
Non-health Mandatory Savings – could be achieved by: $200
• Eliminate certain subsidies for agriculture $30
• Reform Federal retirement programs $35
• Reform postal service and TSA passenger security fees $40
• Strengthen solvency of UI trust fund $50
• Other savings including Spectrum Fees, Sales of Excess Property, & Program
Integrity $45
Spending Savings from Superlative CPI with protections for vulnerable $130
Subtotal, Total New Spending Reductions $930 + $200 interest
Revenue
Limit tax deductions to 28% for the wealthiest and close other loopholes $580 billion (+$100 billion
from CPI change)
Temporary Growth Measures
Immediate investments in infrastructure -$50
TOTAL DEFICIT REDUCTION
Deficit Reduction to Date More than $2,500
New Deficit Reduction $1,800
Total Deficit Reduction More than $4,300

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Response to freshwest (Reply #17)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 03:47 PM

22. This is copied from the pdf you just posted. I just added the asterisks next to it

• Other savings including Spectrum Fees, Sales of Excess Property, & Program
Integrity $45
Spending Savings from Superlative CPI with protections for vulnerable $130 ************
Subtotal, Total New Spending Reductions $930 + $200 interest
Revenue
Limit tax deductions to 28% for the wealthiest and close other loopholes $580 billion (+$100 billion
from CPI change)
Temporary Growth Measures ***************
Immediate investments in infrastructure -$50
TOTAL DEFICIT REDUCTION
Deficit Reduction to Date More than $2,500
New Deficit Reduction $1,800
Total Deficit Reduction More than $4,300

when I click on the words "he's laid out a specific plan to do more." all I get is the same graphic that that's on the WH blog ?

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 03:37 PM

20. It took Nixon to go to China,

 

Is it going to take Obama to kill the New Deal? Certainly seems like it.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 04:22 PM

26. Other Health Savings - seems a little optimistic

just viewing with a critical eye. This item is over 1 quarter of the 400 bil. in Health Savings, lets see more detail.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 05:39 PM

29. tax income derived from commodities and securities speculation.

 

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sun Feb 24, 2013, 12:32 AM

31. Kick. nt

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