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Fri Feb 22, 2013, 04:50 PM

Women, Not Right Wing Evangelicals, Have Lost Their Freedom To Tyranny



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Women, Not Right Wing Evangelicals, Have Lost Their Freedom To Tyranny

By: Rmuse
Feb. 22nd, 2013



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In several states, theocracy forces mothers to undergo surgical intervention to deliver their fetuses under cover of PersonhoodUSA’s “protecting innocent human lives.” In one case a doctor decided a woman’s fetus was too big and that she needed Caesarian surgery; the woman declined and opted for natural delivery. The hospital ruled the rights of the fetus outweighed those of the mother, and secured a court order giving them custody of the fetus before, during, and after delivery with the right to force the mother to undergo major surgery without her consent. While in active labor, Amber Marlowe “fled” to another hospital where she was admitted and delivered a healthy baby without major surgery.

In Clarksville Maryland, Angela Carter was 25 weeks pregnant and diagnosed with cancer, and with her husband, parents, and doctors in agreement chose to keep herself alive as long as possible to deliver the fetus. The hospital called an emergency court hearing to determine the fetus’s rights, and the court ruled the rights of the fetus outweighed the life of the mother and ordered a forced-Caesarian surgery despite warnings it could kill Carter and the fetus, which it did.

In Jacksonville Florida, Laura Pemberton wanted to deliver her fetus naturally after previously giving birth by C-section and was at home in active labor when a state attorney and sheriff took her into custody, strapped her legs down on a gurney, and transported her to a hospital where she was forced to have Caesarian surgery against her will. When Pemberton argued in court that her right “to informed medical decision-making, bodily integrity, due process, and liberty had been violated,” the court told her that fetal rights outweighed hers. Pemberton went on to have three additional children naturally and without complication.

In Salt Lake City, a woman who gave birth to twins, one of which was still born, was arrested and charged with murder based on the claim she chose not to have a Caesarian operation two weeks earlier. The state justified treating the stillbirth as murder and cited a recently amended feticide law that “protects life from the moment of conception” which is PersonhoodUSA’s contention. Melissa Ann Rowland was charged with “depraved indifference to human life” according to court documents, prompting a BYU law professor to say, “It’s very troubling to have somebody come in and say we’re going to charge this mother for murder because we don’t like the choice she made.”

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There are tyrants in America robbing women of their rights and freedoms, and they are Christian conservatives adhering to the biblical edict that women subject themselves to a religious Republican man’s will. It should be a warning to all Americans that to evangelical Christians, religious liberty means legally forcing edicts on the entire population, but especially on women who, according to Republicans, have less rights than a zygote.

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Reply Women, Not Right Wing Evangelicals, Have Lost Their Freedom To Tyranny (Original post)
babylonsister Feb 2013 OP
riqster Feb 2013 #1
Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #2
Initech Feb 2013 #3
KatyaR Feb 2013 #4
smirkymonkey Feb 2013 #5
babylonsister Feb 2013 #6
Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #8
smirkymonkey Feb 2013 #10
Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #11
Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #7
derby378 Feb 2013 #9
Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #12
derby378 Feb 2013 #13
babylonsister Feb 2013 #14
derby378 Feb 2013 #15
babylonsister Feb 2013 #16
derby378 Feb 2013 #17
babylonsister Feb 2013 #18
smirkymonkey Feb 2013 #19
CrispyQ Feb 2013 #20
liberalhistorian Feb 2013 #21

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 04:54 PM

1. K&R

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 05:01 PM

2. The CDC and John Hopkins Medical have developed an artifical uterus.

So now they can implant men with the atifical uterus and then implant fetuses into that uterus.
Because it seems that men have no problem making women carry around unwanted or women killing fetuses.
It will level the playing field and have men put their bodies where their mouths and brains are.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022415361#post2

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 05:11 PM

3. These "pro life" serial killers will answer to Satan.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 06:27 PM

4. So we're damned if we do and damned if we don't.

I am sure as hell happy that my "reproductive years" are over and done with.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 06:33 PM

5. This is an outrage! I cannot believe this is actually happening.

My head is spinning. How can they be stopped? God, I am just so spitting mad over this!

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 06:38 PM

6. Me, too! nt

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 07:38 PM

8. Join NOW or NARAL or any other local reproductive rights organization in your area...

if you don't have a local, join at the state level and participate in their online campaigns.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #8)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 07:52 PM

10. I will, and I am angry. I will not let this go by with out a fight.

I have never been so angry in my life.

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #10)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 07:55 PM

11. I am glad to hear that! (Not the angry part - the joining part.)

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 07:36 PM

7. "Handmaid's Tale." If you haven't read it. I suggest you do.

I am 55 years old... 25 years ago, I started warning young women to step up their game and join and be active in feminist and reproductive rights organizations because this was where we were heading. I can't tell you how many times I was told that Roe was settled law and there was no way that they would restrict "the pill" usage. Well, for most states, Roe is all but done and the fundies are coming after our birth control.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 07:50 PM

9. Why can't Obama devote a little more time to fighting this scourge?

This sounds just plain evil. Why is it being tolerated?

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Response to derby378 (Reply #9)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 07:56 PM

12. These are states and local governments doing this. What should he do?

I suppose he can speak out about it but as far as fighting it, there is not much that he can do.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #12)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 07:59 PM

13. Perhaps if he paid a visit to some of these states instead of playing golf...

...we might see a little positive change in this regard.

I know everyone needs a little R&R, but this is bad.

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Response to derby378 (Reply #13)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 08:33 PM

14. Bullshit. He takes one day off, and

you're accusing him of playing golf as if he does it all the time? And that was Presidents Day; I'd say he was allowed.

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Response to babylonsister (Reply #14)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 08:57 PM

15. Your words, not mine...

...and his choice of golfing partners seems to have raised a few Democratic eyebrows, too.

My dear wife interceded on behalf of young women who were penned in by reproductive laws with nowhere else to turn. I'm sure she'd want a laser-like focus on this sort of nonsense, too.

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Response to derby378 (Reply #15)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 09:01 PM

16. Yes, my words.

If these issues are decided state by state, what exactly do you want him to do? As has been posted ad nauseum, he's not a dictator.

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Response to babylonsister (Reply #16)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 09:05 PM

17. I know I'm an ornery fart and all that, but on the subject of dictators...

...let's remember all the times that George W. Bush used the "bully pulpit" to get whatever he wanted, even at the state level.

Obama has a lot of broad-based support across the nation for women's rights. Rolling up his sleeves and wandering into a few dens of vipers isn't going to hurt him any, and he just might coax some people out of the shadows. Howard Dean had a similar effect on me way back in 2003. It can't hurt.

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Response to derby378 (Reply #17)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 09:20 PM

18. I agree with you on all counts

!! , but what exactly could he do/change? If these laws are a state issue, I ask you, what?

I think he has to pick his fights, and women are going to be fighting this one anyway. It's intolerable.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 11:13 PM

19. K&R

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 04:34 PM

20. I have no words for how pissed off these accounts make me.





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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 04:47 PM

21. I believe this is both a matter of overreaching

theocracy AND the relentless quest for more and more and more profits by hospitals, since they make a ton of money off of pregnant women and childbirth deliveries. It's why the medical profession and hospital executives lobby so strongly in many states against any laws permitting home or unattended births (as if women hadn't been doing it that way for tens of thousands of years prior to the modern era); it means loss of both major profits and control. And it's also a matter of theocratic control of women, not only for religious reasons but for political control as well. Because whoever controls the women and their reproduction in a society controls that society. So I think it's a matter of theocratic conservatives in bed with the medical and hospital industry.

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