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Response to year of the cat (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:40 PM

1. No. I just can't stand listening to their shit. I had some

and they knew my politics and I even asked them to not discuss politics and religion with me but they kept saying shit about Obama so I got away from them.

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Response to year of the cat (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:40 PM

2. yes friendships transcend politics and just about everything as long as their is history and commona

 

Commanality. I have people i consider friends who hold some of the worst viewpoints but i see beyond that to the history we have and things we hold together. We just avoid the points of contention.

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Response to loli phabay (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:45 PM

5. You have "friends" that hold some of the worst viewpoints but you consider them friends?

 

Exactly what are the things that you "hold together"?

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Response to HangOnKids (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:09 PM

19. history, family ties, lots of stuff that transcends that one thing we disagree about

 

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Response to year of the cat (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:42 PM

3. Yes, I do.

 

There are tens of millions of liberals in America and tens of millions of conservatives in America.

Out of those, you're bound to find all types. There are nice, friendly and understanding conservatives out there, just like there are cold, harsh and cruel liberals. Stereotyping just doesn't apply when one is talking about any such massively large, diverse group of people. I think it's best for politics not to be too high of a priority in social life anyway.

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Response to OceanEcosystem (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 04:34 PM

54. We have conservative neighbors that would lend us a hand if needed. They have all the

teabagger signs out, flags, the whole bit, yet they are cordial to us and always have pleasant conversations as neighbors.

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Response to year of the cat (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:45 PM

4. My best friend is LDS

Ultra-conservative, ultra-religious, straight, married, typical LDS. Her dad is a bishop in one of the local wards. She is the polar opposite of me- the ultra-liberal, atheist, bisexual/poly, Avenues hippie.

Discussions of religion and politics are more or less on the verboten list.

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Response to year of the cat (Reply #10)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:54 PM

11. Some are, some aren't

She told me once that as a child she wasn't allowed to associate with the Catholic kids across the street. She's gone through a few changes since childhood, obviously.

Like any faith it's got a spectrum from fundie to tolerant, and everything in between.

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Response to year of the cat (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:46 PM

6. My co-worker, office-mate and friend

is a Tea Party Republican atheist.

I'm a bleeding heart liberal atheist.

We have a lot of fun. It's weird having this one rational thing in common while everything else is opposed but he is one of the few people I can totally count on in real life to be there for me and I am the same for him.

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Response to year of the cat (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:47 PM

8. Very few.

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Response to year of the cat (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:48 PM

9. Yes

When Obama won in 2012, I rubbed it in their faces.

That election really depressed them

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Response to year of the cat (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:54 PM

12. I thought I did but I just discovered she's unfriended me on Facebook!



Probably happened last year during the election season and I never noticed. I see her at least once/week and she hasn't ever mentioned it but now that I think about it she's stopped responding to my emails too. She was a RABID rMoney fan and was absolutely beside herself with grief when he won, convinced Obama was going to turn the US into a socialist cesspool and take away her guns...

Ah well.

Other than her I'm friendly with conservatives but wouldn't call them "friends".

And then there's my mom - a Faux watching O'Reilly loving dittohead.

Can't win em all.

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Response to year of the cat (Reply #13)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:05 PM

15. LOL!!!!!

 

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Response to year of the cat (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:05 PM

14. Sure--lots

When I had to miss a board meeting for a local group because I was ill, a couple of them stopped by, concerned, to check on me. Another just put me in for an award, noting in his message to me that he was doing it despite our political differences.

One who was getting tired of me snopesing all his viral political FWDs jokingly threatened to send me all his incoming emails so I could vet them before he passed them on.

My conservative friends are good people, not the crazies--we just happen to disagree about politics. And some of them are among my best friends.

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Response to year of the cat (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:07 PM

16. Not anymore

one by one they all pissed me off beyond my limit.

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Response to CanonRay (Reply #16)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:14 PM

20. lol

I did the opposite.I pissed all my conservative friends off and they no longer talk to me although we are at the same restaurant/bars quite frequently.

Suits me and keeps my blood pressure down.

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Response to Go Vols (Reply #20)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 04:32 PM

52. To me what my friends and family think

Is important to the intimacy of relationship, many have moved to acquaintances

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Response to year of the cat (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:08 PM

18. Yes...

And liberal friends, and communist friends, and libertarian friends, and Alex Jones crazy friends...

I'm a musician, and the vast majority of my good friends are local musicians. Living in on the coast of Central Florida, it's
a hodge-podge. Political views are all over the map. I have friends from high school who developed different political views from
me as well. We're still friends. We may disagree on things, but they're all good people.

One of my most right-wing buddies has long said that the fundamentalists have taken over his beloved Republican party and used it to push agendas he doesn't agree with (he's pro LGBT, pro choice, anti drug war, etc). My bassist is a very moderate Republican. We get on great because there's actually a little interlap in our views as well (same as above).

Now, with all of these friends, politics is usually the LAST thing we talk about. We're usually talking about music, or work, or beer, or books, or movies... Politics doesn't usually come up... When it does, there's (sometimes) a heated argument, we call each other horrible names, then we discuss something different.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #18)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 04:12 PM

43. I find that too amongst my friends

A varied bunch and not a one can you tell by just their appearance or their vocations, hobbies, interests. As you illustrate we are friends despite our politics, not because of them. I remember when I had met my ex-gf, she had a quilt and fabric shop, very quaint, she often held book clubs, poetry readings, everything she did by hand, recycled everything, meticulously, very petite, soft spoken, short black hair and mild of dress in earth tones and vegan. She was a tea partier. Even my prejudice would have prevented me from knowing a wonderful person if I had judged her on her politics, the irony is that my prejudice expected her to be a liberal.

and no, we didn't split over politics, in fact we never fought over that.

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Response to year of the cat (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:20 PM

21. I have a friend who is married to one. nt

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Response to year of the cat (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:22 PM

22. My best friend

My best friend is a conservative Tea Party Republican and an evangelical Christian. We have a lot more in common than not. She also delivered my kids (she's a CNM) and she is my daughter's godmother and my husband and I are her son's godparents. We don't typically discuss politics or religion. She occasionally posts stuff on Facebook that makes my eyes roll far into the back of my head. I am sure she feels the same about my posts. She was married to a liberal atheist - and that's not why they aren't together. He's a scumbag piece of shit. Anyway, she is always open to others who think differently. She is willing to listen even if she won't agree. We're just plain mature adults .

I do believe, though, that deep down inside there is a part of her that is less conservative...she is just afraid, perhaps, to acknowledge it. She is way way too smart to fall for some of the crap coming from her party and religion.

I have other friends who are conservative . I am not that close to most of them, though.

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Fri Feb 22, 2013, 05:06 PM

65. I am sure there is a wild streak but

He became born again after they were engaged. He lost his faith years later and came out of the atheist closet. I do believe she would have married him even if he was an atheist when they met. He was a Catholic when they met, which is just as bad as being an atheist to many fundie types.

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Response to year of the cat (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:26 PM

24. No. I have a few acquaintances that are, but I'm easily bored and conservatives have so little

 

to contribute beyond that initial, "I can't believe they just said that" moment, that I quickly lose interest. Besides, having to stop and explain everything along the way is a conversation killer and the conservatives just can't keep up.

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Response to year of the cat (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:27 PM

25. no

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Response to year of the cat (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:32 PM

26. Didn't think it was possible, but I have one...

we carpooled together for 8 years.

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Response to year of the cat (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:33 PM

27. Two younger guys from the old neighborhood; friends of firends, actually.

They are a few years younger than me, but I knew them as kids in the hood.

Both joined the USMC at the same time, served together, and still live in the same block.


We picked them up to join our group for Sunday breakfasts, same group of people now for ten years or so.

John is the more conservative of the two, and he hates everything Liberal...hates Labor, hates minorities, hates Democrats, hates taxes, hates hates hates That Mooslim Obama.

Until the Republican Party and their budget cuts at both the state and federal level for assistance to families with special needs kids started coming home to roost, John was quite vocal the we needed to throw all the freeloaders of off the government gravy train.

John has an adult child that has special needs.

He is now starting to see what happens when you finally get what you ask for, and doesn't like it one damn bit.

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #27)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:40 PM

29. Too bad his son has to suffer for him to get a clue. nt

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Response to year of the cat (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:39 PM

28. It's close to impossible. I have a "Conservative" client who wants to be my buddy....

he is a combination Neo Con/Libertarian/Fiscal Con and he thinks we should be able to discuss politics and be civilized about it. He takes it for granted that everyone knows that the President is a Socialist and that going to war for Israel is our duty as Americans.

I finally made up a new rule. No politics, no religion. He is only allowed to talk about dogs and food. Sometimes he tries to sneak in a question like "how do you feel about women in combat?" his theory on that is "it bad" because our beautiful blond women will be raped by Muslims. I had to remind him that if he didn't stick to the rules I would not talk to him ever again. Since then he's been pretty good.

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Response to year of the cat (Reply #33)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:56 PM

35. Apparently, he is into convincing everyone that his point of view is viable...

and he is so sure of it that he just says any crazy, extreme talking point that floats through his mind. He belongs to a Temple that has a Zionist/Teaparty slant. The organizer is a Jewish billionaire ultraconservative. They get their topics and info from Time, WSJ and Faux.

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Response to year of the cat (Reply #40)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 04:21 PM

46. I don't know why anyone whould consider using the word Zionist to be anti-semetic.

Zionism is a movement that exists and Zionists describe themselves with the word. However, the name Semite can describe Israelis and Arabs so being anti-semitic could be against either group.

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Response to year of the cat (Reply #40)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 05:23 PM

75. How did OWS get usurped?

Really, I missed that bit.

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Response to year of the cat (Reply #33)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 05:18 PM

73. 'Conservatives were shown to be better informed about civic matters...'

Says who?

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Response to year of the cat (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:42 PM

30. Nope, thank God

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Response to year of the cat (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:43 PM

31. same- a few church types, but they don't know much about politics and have very conservative

views- anti planned parenthood, etc. They respect and know me well enough to know I don't want to getinto it, expose their ignorance, and embarrass them.
It's a cultural thing, more or less. I'm hoping they will grow out of it.

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Response to year of the cat (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:43 PM

32. All my friends are either liberal or live-and-let-live.

 

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Response to year of the cat (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:44 PM

34. Depends. How often do they have to talk politics?

 

I have a good friend with whom I go beer tasting. We don't talk politics or religion since he's an Evangelical Republican Randite and I am a Socialist/Anarchist Atheist

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Response to year of the cat (Reply #36)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 04:01 PM

38. I am very familiar with Evangelical Christianity

 

I already know what he thinks - it was stamped on the mind of every evangelical when they joined

Same shit, same nonsense, same voodoo...

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Response to year of the cat (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:59 PM

37. Not anymore

The election of President Obama sent them right over the edge and they got tired of me laughing at all their conspiracy theories and telling them fox news was killing their brain cells and making them stupid.

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Response to year of the cat (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 04:01 PM

39. No, I encounter enough in my family and employment to want to avoid them otherwise. nt

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Response to year of the cat (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 04:10 PM

42. no

no
no
no

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Response to year of the cat (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 04:14 PM

44. Jeez, not any close friends

acquaintances perhaps, but not anyone that we'd invite over to stay the night

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Response to year of the cat (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 04:15 PM

45. No.

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Response to year of the cat (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 04:21 PM

47. Not after the 90's

Its tough for me to be friends with people who would rather me die( I have a pre-existing condition i was born with and was dumped from my insurance company for it) then have access to insurance so some rich person they dont even know can make slightly more money.

Also the things i like Science,compassion for others just conflict with a typical Conservatives world view,just don't have anything in common,I mean i cant fathom people that don't consider women equals,and would find the whole water melon trap thing for Obama funny. Every Conservative i know has a passive aggressive mean humor and i am light hearted sarcastic so i cant laugh with them.

I don't know any Conservative that fact checks,and when someone wants to talk politics i enjoy the conversation but it sucks with Conservatives cause they never come ready. Few even know what their party stands for my mother is on disability cause of her back and she thinks republicans are the ones that will protect her and her disability not realizing that they would prefer a private market when i tell her that shes like thats crazy no one wants a private market for these services rofl.


No they are crazy and willfully uninformed and cruel at heart,I live in Kentucky and have never met one that wasn't some of these things.

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Response to year of the cat (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 04:24 PM

48. My very closest friends--no

Lots of casual friends, co-workers, relatives, neighbors, church friends etc are conservatives and we get along great (I'm a real pro at changing the subject!). But my circle of very close friends are all liberals like myself & DH. As for people who actually date or marry the other side, I can't imagine.

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Response to year of the cat (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 04:25 PM

49. yes, quite a few

i generally avoid political discussions with them, even if they press to talk about it.

i have tried to explain critical details of the health care law in an almost apolitical way because that's i think the most effective way to communicate how health reform should work and why it's important --by talking about the wrongs that the law address (albeit incompletely).

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Response to year of the cat (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 04:28 PM

51. What political party goes with belief in chemtrails and the illuminati?

So they have gotten screwed by the economy and they gave up Republicanism (Conservatism) and Fundamentalism and now are suspicious of government. They are not Conservative, they are delusional.

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Response to year of the cat (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 04:32 PM

53. Of course I do

We avoid talk of politics (admittedly hard sometimes), as well as many social issues.

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Response to year of the cat (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 04:35 PM

55. Very few and we don't discuss politics

More relatives than friends and I can't really disown them, even if I wanted to.

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Response to year of the cat (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 04:35 PM

56. Close friends, no.

But I work with conservatives and there are a few in my social orbit I get along with ok. There's kind of an unspoken agreement between me and the conservatives I work with not to get into heavy discussions about politics.

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Response to year of the cat (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 04:40 PM

58. Yes, my sister and her husband claim to be Republicans,

but I convinced my sister to vote for Obama. Her husband hates Obama and was really upset when he learned she voted for him. He hates Obama because he says that Obama is going to take his guns, and there is no talking sense to him.

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Response to year of the cat (Reply #59)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 04:54 PM

60. Wow this is just getting better!

 

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Response to year of the cat (Reply #62)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 05:07 PM

67. I have no love of guns, I have posted there a grand total of 9 times!

 

Please don't waste time replying, I am going to ignore you. Bye now.

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Response to year of the cat (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 05:04 PM

63. No, but I know dems who hold right wing views

on certain things, but they aren't politically aware and may not realize it.

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Response to year of the cat (Reply #66)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 05:57 PM

81. I don't know any Democrats who are pro abortion

Name them or delete please.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #81)


Response to year of the cat (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 05:09 PM

69. What do you think? (re: why it took them so long to be suspicious of govt)

What did all the RW blogs and pundits and pastors say about the government when Bush was in office?
What do they say now?

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Response to year of the cat (Reply #82)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 06:09 PM

86. That's fair enough.

There is some hypocrisy on the Democratic side...but you'll find plenty of anti-war posters here on DU.

However, I've been on DU for ten years and it's bit more nuanced than just pro-war and anti-war sometimes. For instance, General Wesley Clark was the most popular presidential candidate here on DU in 2004 (IIRC - other DUers might want to chime in on that one).

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Response to CJCRANE (Reply #86)


Response to year of the cat (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 05:10 PM

70. I know some people here say "Oh, I can put politics aside and focus on other things"

but to me if I don't respect someone's beliefs nor intelligence what is the point of having a friendship with them? Work "friendships" and polite acquaintance relationships are one thing, but real friendship is something I would never be able to have with a rightwinger.

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Response to year of the cat (Reply #72)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 05:33 PM

77. I agree that intelligence is bipartisan.

There's no monopoly of intelligence or education on either side.

But...LWers tend to have just a little bit more curiosity.

For instance, during the Bush era, conspiracy theories were taboo. It was a case of "watch what you say" and don't be a traitor. It took bravery to delve into those realms.

But now conspiracy theories are mainstream in RW circles, they are spoonfed by RW personalities to the Repub base. It doesn't take any bravery or curiosity to believe in RW conspiracy theories, it's just a normal thing that's given to you on a plate.

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Response to CJCRANE (Reply #77)


Response to year of the cat (Reply #78)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 05:49 PM

79. That's a big subject...

Most of these new RW conspiracies are pushed by corporations owned by billionaires. That tells you right there what their agenda is.

However, there's nothing wrong with doing your own research and coming to your own conclusions.

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Response to year of the cat (Reply #80)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 06:00 PM

84. I'm talking about the Republican base and what they believe.

If so-and-so pundit says Obama was born on the moon then they'll probably believe it.

RW pundits and politicians say all sorts of strange things and the base believes them.

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