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Thu Feb 21, 2013, 05:42 PM

Krugman: right wing comparisons of Obamacare with Switzerland's health care system

Swiss Myths

Oh, my. Aaron Carroll is rightly very, very annoyed at Douglas Holtz-Eakin and Arik Roy for saying that Obamacare should be replaced with a free-market system, like Switzerland’s. As he points out, the Swiss system is nothing like their description. In particular, they denounce community rating — but Switzerland has community rating!

Actually, though, it’s even worse than Carroll lets on, for two reasons.

One is that Obamacare in fact looks a lot like, you guessed it, the Swiss system
— so much so that back in 2009 I described it as a plan to Swissfy America. After all the screaming about the awfulness of Obamacare, it’s pretty rich to hold up as a role model a very similar system.

But wait, there’s more: the Swiss system is more privatized than other European systems — and guess what, it has higher costs, indeed second only to America’s:



http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/21/swiss-myths/

Always great when Krugman can use the right's own words against them.

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Reply Krugman: right wing comparisons of Obamacare with Switzerland's health care system (Original post)
pampango Feb 2013 OP
Douglas Carpenter Feb 2013 #1
IrishAyes Feb 2013 #2
NewJeffCT Feb 2013 #3
aggiesal Feb 2013 #6
dawg Feb 2013 #4
Zoeisright Feb 2013 #5
Canuckistanian Feb 2013 #7

Response to pampango (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 06:48 PM

1. knr

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Response to Douglas Carpenter (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 07:25 PM

2. Thanks

I will indeed bookmark this and watch ASAP, when I can give the undivided attention it probably deserves. At the very least I might learn something, and such a day is never wasted.

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Response to pampango (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 07:43 PM

3. Switzerland insures all their citizens, though

Obamacare doesn't do that. I think they have a public option type backstop for everybody that can't get insurance, but I could be wrong, as it's been a while since I read about it.

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 08:40 PM

6. Also,

The Swiss government made it illegal for the private insurers to make a profit.
They are all non-profit!

Huge difference!!!

As I understand it, the insurance is only for those that want to pay for the
extra service, above and beyond the government standard.
In other words, a "Cadillac Plan"

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Response to pampango (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 07:46 PM

4. I have no respect for conservatives anymore. None of them.

Most of them are stupid, but the smart ones are just intellectually dishonest. You can't debate someone who doesn't accept reality as a given.

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Response to pampango (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 07:57 PM

5. Repukes are devolving by the second.

They are so dumb.

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Response to pampango (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 10:25 PM

7. And look at Canada's system

Almost 1/2 of America's, despite sharing a border and practically the same culture.

The difference? We have single payer, govt. provided health care (paid by taxes!), and America does not.

Trust me, NOBODY in Canada is complaining about "socialism" when they can walk into a doctor's office and leave without a bill.

It's just one less thing to worry about.

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