Thu Feb 21, 2013, 05:42 PM
pampango (13,986 posts)
Krugman: right wing comparisons of Obamacare with Switzerland's health care system
Swiss Myths
Oh, my. Aaron Carroll is rightly very, very annoyed at Douglas Holtz-Eakin and Arik Roy for saying that Obamacare should be replaced with a free-market system, like Switzerland’s. As he points out, the Swiss system is nothing like their description. In particular, they denounce community rating — but Switzerland has community rating! Actually, though, it’s even worse than Carroll lets on, for two reasons. One is that Obamacare in fact looks a lot like, you guessed it, the Swiss system — so much so that back in 2009 I described it as a plan to Swissfy America. After all the screaming about the awfulness of Obamacare, it’s pretty rich to hold up as a role model a very similar system. But wait, there’s more: the Swiss system is more privatized than other European systems — and guess what, it has higher costs, indeed second only to America’s:
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/21/swiss-myths/ Always great when Krugman can use the right's own words against them.
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| Author | Time | Post | |
| pampango | Feb 21 | OP | |
| Douglas Carpenter | Feb 21 | #1 | |
| IrishAyes | Feb 21 | #2 | |
| NewJeffCT | Feb 21 | #3 | |
| aggiesal | Feb 21 | #6 | |
| dawg | Feb 21 | #4 | |
| Zoeisright | Feb 21 | #5 | |
| Canuckistanian | Feb 21 | #7 |
Response to pampango (Original post)
Thu Feb 21, 2013, 06:48 PM
Douglas Carpenter (15,129 posts)
1. knr
Response to Douglas Carpenter (Reply #1)
Thu Feb 21, 2013, 07:25 PM
IrishAyes (886 posts)
2. Thanks
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I will indeed bookmark this and watch ASAP, when I can give the undivided attention it probably deserves. At the very least I might learn something, and such a day is never wasted.
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Response to pampango (Original post)
Thu Feb 21, 2013, 07:43 PM
NewJeffCT (35,902 posts)
3. Switzerland insures all their citizens, though
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Obamacare doesn't do that. I think they have a public option type backstop for everybody that can't get insurance, but I could be wrong, as it's been a while since I read about it.
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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #3)
Thu Feb 21, 2013, 08:40 PM
aggiesal (1,523 posts)
6. Also,
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The Swiss government made it illegal for the private insurers to make a profit.
They are all non-profit! Huge difference!!! As I understand it, the insurance is only for those that want to pay for the extra service, above and beyond the government standard. In other words, a "Cadillac Plan" |
Response to pampango (Original post)
Thu Feb 21, 2013, 07:46 PM
dawg (5,514 posts)
4. I have no respect for conservatives anymore. None of them.
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Most of them are stupid, but the smart ones are just intellectually dishonest. You can't debate someone who doesn't accept reality as a given.
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Response to pampango (Original post)
Thu Feb 21, 2013, 07:57 PM
Zoeisright (7,809 posts)
5. Repukes are devolving by the second.
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They are so dumb.
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Response to pampango (Original post)
Thu Feb 21, 2013, 10:25 PM
Canuckistanian (42,195 posts)
7. And look at Canada's system
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Almost 1/2 of America's, despite sharing a border and practically the same culture.
The difference? We have single payer, govt. provided health care (paid by taxes!), and America does not. Trust me, NOBODY in Canada is complaining about "socialism" when they can walk into a doctor's office and leave without a bill. It's just one less thing to worry about. |

