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Thu Feb 21, 2013, 03:38 PM

Does taking a younger male to see strippers encourage him to see woman as property?

Younger male - say 14-17; an age when they would probably need an adult to go along and approve it.

Edited to add - we'll assume the strippers were female. I'm guessing the opposite side of the question would be a whole different thing.
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Reply Does taking a younger male to see strippers encourage him to see woman as property? (Original post)
el_bryanto Feb 2013 OP
msongs Feb 2013 #1
el_bryanto Feb 2013 #2
Orrex Feb 2013 #3
cthulu2016 Feb 2013 #4
el_bryanto Feb 2013 #5
octothorpe Feb 2013 #10
el_bryanto Feb 2013 #15
Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #6
Orrex Feb 2013 #7
NewJeffCT Feb 2013 #9
Yo_Mama Feb 2013 #8
LadyHawkAZ Feb 2013 #11
NewJeffCT Feb 2013 #12
Glaug-Eldare Feb 2013 #13
ismnotwasm Feb 2013 #14

Response to el_bryanto (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 03:40 PM

1. might depend on if the strippers were male or female eh? nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 03:41 PM

2. That's a good point, actually.

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Response to el_bryanto (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 03:50 PM

3. Did he get a receipt?

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Response to el_bryanto (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 03:54 PM

4. "encourage"... as in tend more toward than away? Sure.

I wouldn't take a young boy to a strip joint, certainly.

But the poll is a big waste of time because as phrased, encouragement is a 51%-49% sort of thing.

Watching the superbowl also encourages a person to see women as property. As do beer ads, dresses with bows, probably lipstick...

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Response to cthulu2016 (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 03:57 PM

5. I don't know if its the same thing - the Medium is the Message

TV and Commercials on TV are essentially passive - unless you live in a home where TV usage is heavily monitored, you are going to see that kind of thing, but without, necessarily, approval from an adult. The message conveyed by the action of taking your son, getting them through whatever barriers there are, and letting them see naked woman conveys a mindset in a different fashion. It's pervasiveness (in the case of woman as objects on TV) vs. depth (in the case of taking someone to see strippers).

Bryant

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Response to cthulu2016 (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 04:13 PM

10. I don't understand the whole 'view someone as property' thing...

I've never seen a TV ad, poster, stripper, or whatever, and thought to myself "wow, look at the great piece of property." How many people actually think this way? Do you? Any other guys on here think of women as property? Or maybe I just don't get it?

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Response to octothorpe (Reply #10)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 04:57 PM

15. Plenty of people historically have thought of woman as property

And plenty of people today think that way as well.

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Response to el_bryanto (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 04:01 PM

6. More likely it will lead to impure thoughts and possible repetitive motion injuries.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 04:05 PM

7. To be fair...

those were probably going to happen anyway.

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Response to Orrex (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 04:13 PM

9. True

I'm sure most young men don't need much encouragement to have "impure" thoughts.

I think I had impure thoughts about half the girls at my high school and maybe even more than half the young women in my college dorm. Not to mention, the young women in the various classes I had throughout college.

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Response to el_bryanto (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 04:07 PM

8. I truly doubt it

However, if the boy had been raised in a family culture disrespectful of women, it might not be a good idea.

Generally, a person's attitude towards women starts earlier. When teen lust kicks in that adds another factor, but none of the boys I went to HS with really changed their attitude toward women once they reached the books-over-crotch stage. If they were nice guys before, they were nice guys after, sometimes blushingly. If they were jerks before, then they became jerks with erections.

You know, sex is a very natural part of human life. It has to be integrated into one's world unless one is in the small minority who never have much interest in sex. If a father chose to open the conversation by taking his son to a strip club, the results would vary depending on the relationship they had and how it was handled.

The worst misogyny seems to occur in societies that are extremely sexually repressive, like Saudi Arabia. But there men are not taught that they can restrain themselves, and they are never exposed to females who are not related as persons. So they grow up and are just clubbed by sexual desire and the good/bad woman dichotomy.

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Response to Yo_Mama (Reply #8)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 04:18 PM

11. I wish I could rec a reply.

Best explanation ever.

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Response to Yo_Mama (Reply #8)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 04:30 PM

12. well said

also wish I could rec a response.

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Response to el_bryanto (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 04:35 PM

13. I really don't know. I think it depends on what you think walkin' in.

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A person with healthy attitudes will understand that the dancers are just that -- dancers, performers, women who are employed to entertain and titillate. A healthy person already knows that they are human beings like them.

A person with unhealthy attitudes may very well consider the dancer-audience relationship an expression of the power he feels he should have over women -- that she is serving him because he's better than her, not because it's her employment.

I've got no psych training, but that's what I imagine could happen. Then again, the attitude of the person taking them there could have a lot of impact. A young person who's encouraged to disrespect the dancers may well develop worse attitudes, and one who's encouraged to simply enjoy the show may not.

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Response to el_bryanto (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 04:37 PM

14. Sexual objects

Without feelings or desires of their own.

Property, no, at least not as in personal property. There's a much larger problem here, but I won't go into that in the context of your thread.

A Stripper is basically selling services, not her person, although she can be become subsumed in that culture and loose herself, her identity of anything other than a sexual object. In fact society itself sees her that way.

Some are content

Others are going to school or whatever, and plan on NOT being strippers for lifetime career.

Some have been coerced, or forced or find sex work is their best economic choice.

Personally, what I would do is arrange for a young man to talk to one, ask why and how she choose this profession. It would help humanize her.

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