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Thu Feb 21, 2013, 02:53 PM

These were not benevolent gifts from enlightened management

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Reply These were not benevolent gifts from enlightened management (Original post)
Scuba Feb 2013 OP
rustydog Feb 2013 #1
dreamnightwind Feb 2013 #2
brush Feb 2013 #31
judesedit Feb 2013 #8
bvar22 Feb 2013 #3
BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2013 #22
chervilant Feb 2013 #36
classof56 Feb 2013 #40
antigop Feb 2013 #43
cprise Feb 2013 #50
quakerboy Feb 2013 #52
geckosfeet Feb 2013 #4
jtuck004 Feb 2013 #7
geardaddy Feb 2013 #5
HiPointDem Feb 2013 #6
annabanana Feb 2013 #9
senseandsensibility Feb 2013 #10
senseandsensibility Feb 2013 #11
abelenkpe Feb 2013 #14
Bake Feb 2013 #12
AverageJoe90 Feb 2013 #13
UtahLib Feb 2013 #15
xtraxritical Feb 2013 #16
GReedDiamond Feb 2013 #17
defacto7 Feb 2013 #18
hibbing Feb 2013 #19
wilsonbooks Feb 2013 #20
demwing Feb 2013 #28
daleanime Feb 2013 #41
democrank Feb 2013 #21
ChaoticTrilby Feb 2013 #23
gtar100 Feb 2013 #24
Berlum Feb 2013 #25
steve2470 Feb 2013 #26
Laelth Feb 2013 #27
jerseyjack Feb 2013 #29
OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #30
Hotler Feb 2013 #32
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #33
Scuba Feb 2013 #34
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #35
demwing Feb 2013 #42
chervilant Feb 2013 #37
Scuba Feb 2013 #38
chervilant Feb 2013 #39
rhett o rick Feb 2013 #44
malthaussen Feb 2013 #45
Uncle Joe Feb 2013 #46
snagglepuss Feb 2013 #47
hue Feb 2013 #48
Teamster Jeff Feb 2013 #49
Scootaloo Feb 2013 #51

Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 02:57 PM

1. Newtered alluded to his during his failed run for the white house

Only poor kids you know, but they should be cleaning our schools, not janitors getting rich off of the taxpayers!
I can picture this piece of crap supporting returning kids to the coal mines.

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Response to rustydog (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 03:16 PM

2. K & R for Utah and for labor.

Labor history is not well known.

Love Utah Phillips! I saw him perform many times with his acoustic guitar, though he mostly just talked, which was the best part. He was both hilarious and informative. I miss both him and Kate Wolf, may they R.I.P.

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Response to dreamnightwind (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 08:42 AM

31. Everyone should know about the notorious Harry Bennett

And the crimes he committed (murders included) to keep the unions out of Ford. He reigned for 30 years as Henry Ford's chief of security (chief of goons and strikebreakers really). Henry Ford II fired him immediately in 1945 when he took over the company.

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Response to rustydog (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 05:52 PM

8. Problem is...only the poor kids would have to clean....just like who serves in the military.Lopsided

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 03:53 PM

3. Most of America has forgotten.

The History of the Labor Movement is no longer taught in our schools,
and is no longer honored, protected, and Handed Down through the Democratic Party.

Our fathers and grandfathers fought and died to earn these rights.
These precious rights have been frittered away by those who don't understand their value, and who NOW bow down to the "Job Creators".
They have been successfully demonized by the Monied Interests.

Those who don't know History
are destined to repeat it.
We will have to fight this fight again.


On Ed Schultz today:
1/2 of Working Americans are now earning the Minimum Wage.

It will get worse before it gets better.


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Response to bvar22 (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:06 AM

22. +1 you speak truth. n/t

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 09:51 AM

36. I SOOOO appreciate your posts!!!

I'm sitting here feeling morose about my tenuous future (wrongfully terminated and one month away from no money left), and your post reminds me of the courage of the men and women who fought for worker's rights. I will hold onto that awareness, and face my likely homelessness as an opportunity to spend spring and summer in active opposition to the corporate megalomaniacs who've usurped our media, our politics, and our global economy.

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Response to chervilant (Reply #36)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 10:35 AM

40. I wish you well, and will be sending good thoughts your way.

Your positive outlook and determination to make our nation a better one is greatly admired.

Blessings.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 11:29 AM

43. Wisconsin’s teachers required to teach kids labor union and collective bargaining history

http://dailycaller.com/2011/02/24/wisconsin%E2%80%99s-teachers-required-to-teach-kids-labor-union-and-collective-bargaining-history/

Wisconsin’s teachers are required to teach children about the history of the labor union movement and Collective Bargaining in the United States, per a law former Democratic Gov. Jim Doyle signed in December 2009. Wisconsin’s Assembly Bill (AB) 172 requires the state’s teachers to incorporate “the history of organized labor in America and the collective bargaining process” into their lesson plans.

Describing the new law, AB 172, Wisconsin’s official Department of Public Instruction (DPI) website says, “Wisconsin has long been a leader in labor rights. The Progressive Movement, which had its beginnings in our state, led to laws limiting child labor and safety in the workplace. Unions such as the AFL-CIO and Teamsters allow us to enjoy an eight-hour work week and vacation time. In fact, it has been argued by some historians that the history of the United States itself could be a history of labor.”


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Response to bvar22 (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:26 PM

52. Large numbers never knew

It has been purged. The USA was built by adventurers, entrepreneurs, dontcha know. Investors are what makes our nation great!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 04:11 PM

4. Amen. I don't know why it is so easy for folks to forget this.

Probably because they grew up in a world where 40hr work weeks are considered normal, and health threatening job conditions are illegal.

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Response to geckosfeet (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 04:42 PM

7. See post #3. They can't forget if they were never made aware or given an opportunity to

discover it for themselves, or even heard a suggestion that it is important.

Here is a call for even less, perhaps, in the American Federation of Teachers union magazine.

Open Veins of Conquest — AFT Union Disinternment of Howard Zinn, Tells PK12 Teachers to Drop People’s History of the United States?
Here.

The story in AE is here.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 04:13 PM

5. Solidarity.

great post.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 04:16 PM

6. kr

 

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 06:57 PM

9. As we keep on losing links on the chain. . .

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 08:10 PM

10. This thread should have hundreds of responses

and thousands of recs. I hope it will, but in case it doesn't let me thank you so much for posting it.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 09:17 PM

11. Kick

again. We need labor history in schools, but until we do thanks for the attempt to educate us here on DU.

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Response to senseandsensibility (Reply #11)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 12:01 AM

14. Labor history

Was never taught to my nieces or nephews who were home schooled by my tea party mother. Or evolution. Or climate change. She didn't want them to turn out like me brainwashed by union organized hippy teachers in public school. Thank you teachers!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 09:29 PM

12. And a big ol' KICK from Bake

Can't get the ol' donkey kick to show up, for some reason ...

Bake

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 11:21 PM

13. Utah Phillips = awesome. n/t

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 12:02 AM

15. Sad to say

that people in this country who seem to be so unappreciative and dismissive of the benefits and contributions of unions are destined to learn the hard way their true value. They won't understand what's been lost until it affects them.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 12:27 AM

16. K&R

 

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 12:32 AM

17. Kick and Rec for Utah...nt

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 12:35 AM

18. Major K&R

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 12:37 AM

19. I'm with the union

Hi,
I have relatives who complain about unions. One in particular is a real jerk, I swear people think that some part of health insurance being paid, 40 hour work week, overtime, and a myriad of other benefits are just normal and like the title of the post says, benevolent gifts from management. I will never forget that people fought and died for those things.

Peace

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 01:34 AM

20. Never forget, never stop fighting

the battle is never over and is never won

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Response to wilsonbooks (Reply #20)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 07:39 AM

28. Too late - we stopped fighting years ago

now we talk about fighting, but we do it with lawyers and ballots. Labor didn't make gains with their pragmatism - they made gains with their blood.

Time to start fighting again .

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Response to demwing (Reply #28)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 11:15 AM

41. Past time

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 01:46 AM

21. Thank you so much for posting this, Scuba.

K & R in solidarity!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:58 AM

23. Solidarity!

A K&R from me. I've always been in full support of unions.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 05:38 AM

24. Seems like collectively were going down the path to learn this all over again.

This is so true. We're fast sliding backwards. It's insane how so many of my co-workers feel pride in being called a "management" employee and in contrast to the union employees they are referred to as "non-represented" and "non-bargained for" employees. Is it so hard to see what a tenuous situation that is?

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 05:52 AM

25. k & r

nt

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 06:09 AM

26. k&r nt

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 06:30 AM

27. k&r for labor. n/t

-Laelth

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 07:40 AM

29. My students goddam well knew about the unions....

 

K. of L., Wobs., Mother Jones, Joe Hill.


All that has been taken from the N.J. state curriculum. Google labor on the core standards and it is no longer featured.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 07:51 AM

30. My grandfather died in 1965 from the effects of Black Lung after decades of working.....

....in the coal mines of West Virginia. Black Lung is a terrible disease that leaves the victim gasping for breath until the lungs slowly and completely fill with liquid from their destroyed lungs. It's akin to slowly drowning.

Black Lung

Black lung is a legal term describing a preventable, occupational lung disease that is contracted by prolonged breathing of coal mine dust. Described by a variety of names, including miner's asthma, silicosis, coal workers' pneumoconiosis, and black lung, they are all dust diseases with the same symptoms.

Like all occupational diseases, black lung is man-made and can be prevented. In fact, the U.S. Congress ordered black lung to be eradicated from the coal industry in 1969. Today, it is estimated that 1500 former coal miners each year die an agonizing death in often isolated rural communities, away from the spotlight of publicity.


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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 09:25 AM

32. UNIONS! UNIONS! UNIONS! UNIONS!

Non-union workers need to rememberThat there were people that died and/or had the fucked kicked out of them by management thugs in the past. And because of them and unions EVERYBODYS working life is better because of it.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 09:28 AM

33. And labor is giving them up

The six day week will come...and I am serious as a heart attack.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #33)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 09:34 AM

34. Oh, I know. Before I retired ...

.. I typically put in 65 - 75 hours a week. Salaried, no overtime.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #34)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 09:39 AM

35. Hubby has been working six days a week

36 hours, for the post office. The precedent has been set.

An injury to one, is an injury to all used to mean something.

I expect labor to fight the same fights in at tops 40 years. Tops. I expect it sooner.

There is no memory.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #35)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 11:18 AM

42. And when that day comes

what side will the drones protect?

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 10:00 AM

37. Sadly,

most states are enacting "Right to Work " legislation, which means you can be fired "for any reason or no reason at all."

Moreover, unless you have the resources to litigate, you have no recourse AND almost all of your friends and family will advise you to "keep quiet" and LIE to potential employers.

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Response to chervilant (Reply #37)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 10:02 AM

38. Right to work (for less) is far worse than you describe ....

... the purpose isn't to allow employers to fire with impunity (although they'll get that out of it) but to end unions altogether.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #38)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 10:09 AM

39. I'm well aware of this,

and that awareness does not mitigate my anxiety about my imminent homelessness...

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 12:00 PM

44. k&r

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 12:03 PM

45. K & R for solidarity.

Seems like the past 40 years has just been one slow, steady erosion of rights in many fields. Even as rights have been finally acknowledged for many who were left out in the past, at the same time we have devalued much of what we once believed to define our nation.

-- Mal

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 12:17 PM

46. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Scuba.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 01:01 PM

47. K & R +10000000000

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 01:14 PM

48. Thanks for this salient reminder!! K&R!!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:47 PM

49. K&R

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:06 PM

51. K&R for Utah Phillips

And his goddamn good point.

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