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Thu Feb 21, 2013, 02:34 PM

Ah the joys of word processing...

Yup, we are having issues, so I started to look into those famous compatibitiy issues. and let me tell you, the folks at Microsoft are setting themselves for a huge egg in face moment.

Yup, DOCX starting in 2007 is not fully compatible with 2010 and the nightmares (from reviews) for 2013 are just lovely. For the non technically inclined, this means that if you save your file on DOCX 2013 your lovely version of 2007 might find itself chocking on it.

Then there are the MAC versions of it... which I have hyet to have an issue with, but some folks say they do. (And in the back end there might be a few problems with the XML format)

There is more, we are moving towards an HTML 5 world, and Microsoft is kicking and sceaming all the way to it. (What could go wrong? Remember WP files?)

I think we are at the beggining of another famous my format, nope your format, issue. And that will be just great.

In the meantime, for those folks who get a new copy of word, be prepared for issues with older versions, so word to the weary... save in older formats. (And hope for the best)

What could this mean for Microsoft though? And this is a personal opinion. Between the new OS (that looks worst than Vista... they managed) and all those issues, Corporations, their bread and butter, and Government, the other bread and butter, might be a tad shy to upgrade.

In the meantime, standards are moving forwards, whether Microsoft likes it or not... HTML5 is coming, again, whether they like it or not.

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Reply Ah the joys of word processing... (Original post)
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 OP
Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #1
NMDemDist2 Feb 2013 #2
zappaman Feb 2013 #3
NMDemDist2 Feb 2013 #4
zappaman Feb 2013 #8
NMDemDist2 Feb 2013 #9
zappaman Feb 2013 #10
cherokeeprogressive Feb 2013 #24
zappaman Feb 2013 #27
B2G Feb 2013 #7
Recursion Feb 2013 #5
trotsky Feb 2013 #6
hunter Feb 2013 #15
Gorp Feb 2013 #11
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #14
Gorp Feb 2013 #16
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #19
Gorp Feb 2013 #20
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #21
Gorp Feb 2013 #28
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #30
tarheelsunc Feb 2013 #12
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #13
Jazzgirl Feb 2013 #17
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #18
Gorp Feb 2013 #22
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #23
Blue_In_AK Feb 2013 #25
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #26
RebelOne Feb 2013 #29
Blue_In_AK Feb 2013 #31
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #32

Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 02:40 PM

1. and the spell check obviously doesn't work nt

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 02:53 PM

2. chocking is a word

just not the correct word in that sentence.

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Response to NMDemDist2 (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 03:03 PM

3. Is sceaming? n/t

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Response to zappaman (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 03:18 PM

4. oops no, missed that one

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Response to NMDemDist2 (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 03:51 PM

8. No worries!

Can you spot one more...?

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Response to zappaman (Reply #8)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 03:58 PM

9. ....

hyet

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Response to NMDemDist2 (Reply #9)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 04:58 PM

10. Grate Joob! n/t

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Response to zappaman (Reply #8)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 07:44 PM

24. beggining

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #24)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 07:56 PM

27. Back at ya!

"compatibitiy"

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 03:21 PM

7. LAMO!

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 03:19 PM

5. It amuses me that LibreOffice is better at opening old MS Office files...

... than MS Office is.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 03:20 PM

6. Microsoft has actually been advocating for HTML5 for some time now.

http://techcrunch.com/2010/04/30/microsoft-html5/

Adobe is the biggest opponent, since it means an end to Flash. (Thank goodness for that.)

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Response to trotsky (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 06:17 PM

15. I've already ended Flash on my personal computers.

Most of the embedded videos here on DU work fine without it. Those that don't, it's no big loss.

I figure websites will start to notice if people don't have Flash installed and don't come back.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 05:11 PM

11. On the plus side, Open Office actually DOES open and save in obsolete M$ formats.

 

Well, those and a lot of other formats. It's probably the best format translation suite available. As for M$, I am certain that they deprecate older file formats to force upgrades. OO works great in all Win versions, all Linux versions, and all Mac versions and file conversions are seamless. It was like that when it was called Star Office (before Oracle bought it).

I rarely use anything other than OO unless I'm required to submit something in M$ format. Then I just save it out to the M$ format, test it with M$ Office, and send it on its merry little way. I never create documents using M$ Office - why bother? It's slow and buggy.

As for HTML, I use simple text editors (as well as for the CSS files). I don't like all the garbage HTML editors throw into the files. It makes them huge, slow to load, and almost impossible to read in simple text. It's like painting with a flame thrower. I want the code to work the way I intend it to, not the way some editing software does. Then again, my Internet experience predates HTML 1.0 by quite some time. I guess I'm just an old fart.



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Response to Gorp (Reply #11)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 06:02 PM

14. I have used it

But some copies of word have fits.

One local paper plainly out said...don't send the file, copy and paste. They don't want to deal with it any longer.

And this explains the rise of text and multi markdown editors.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #14)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 06:55 PM

16. Geeze, most papers have been copy/paste submissions for a few years.

 

Our local paper went to three day a week print and is expanding the online presence. They don't take LTEs through the mail anymore - someone has to re-type them. It won't be long before they send the press machines to the scrap yard and go fully online. I don't know about you, but I read the paper on "the throne" and I'm not going to take a laptop in there while I'm squeezing one out. The cats wanting attention is enough of a distraction. A MAJOR ONE!

I've never had a problem using OO to convert files, and that's over operating systems dating back to Win95 and Linux and Mac systems of the same time-frame, and Star Office before it. It has the best conversion capability of any suite out there (free, did I mention free?). M$ files from the same era are not recognized by M$ Office now. I can still convert them with OO, but that's the only way.

The only thing OO won't convert are old AmiPro files. After Lotus upgraded, AmiPro became legacy. I have a few Win98SE machines with AmiPro and WordPro on them, and that's my only method to do the conversion. I keep old machines for a reason. OO will load the WordPro files, at least on the Linux version. I pass files around between OSs on thumb drives all the time and often forget where things originated from.

You know, future generations won't have "cave paintings" to rely on. Think about paper tape, punch cards, 9-track tape, 8" floppies, 5 1/4" floppies, 3 1/2" floppies (although I have a USB device for those), parallel printers, 9-pin serial printers, ZIP drives (also USB now), and all of the other devices that passed into obscurity, like my HandSpring Visor, that no longer communicate with anything contemporary. How the hell can we expect future generations to read our records? At least the paper tape and punch cards have a chance of being decoded.

Speaking of "records", how about vinyl? Digital books (which I have published) don't have the longevity of physical paper books. I've got books that are over 100 years old. CDs, DVDs, BluRay, all are going to be obsolete in ten years. The devices to read them will be hard to find. Something new will always come along. There are only a dozen or so devices left that can read the original wax drums used to record sound a hundred or so years ago. That has the advantage of a physical presence. Digital does not. It's a nebula in terms of technology.

Everything is going digital, even video and sound. I can still play vinyl records, 8-track tapes, cassettes, VHS, and other physical media, but digital is rather fikle in its choice of players. When the digital age dies, so does everything including Wikipedia.

That's not too far off. The state police already use laser scanning crystals for fingerprints (I know, I got busted almost 5 years ago). Essentially it involves imprinting the crystal with the data and firing a signal laser in from a reference point. If anything comes out, it's a potential match. The strength of the signal is the likelyhood of a match. I just said, "Hey, I'm not a serial killer or anything." But it was cool to watch. At least I didnt' do time. But I DID pick the lock on the leg-cuff to loosen it up a few notches. I could have taken it off but didn't All it took was a ring off my key chain. I'm good. It confused the hell out of the troopers. Old hackers never die, they just need Poligrip for their dentures.

M$ Word is probably the worst word processing program I've ever encountered. It's bloated, slow, and features are hard to find. I still know key codes for Word Star (early 80's) and THAT was the best word processing program I've ever seen. CTRL-P - P means print. I've got it on my Apple II+ with the Z-80 card. It still works and I've got an Epson 9-pin that is happy to communicate with it.

My point is that our focus on digital is going to leave our society without a history. Some of us preserve it, most do not. I just responded to my step-dad about his legacy computer and "given up the ghost" 12-year old HP LaserJet (that's a long time). He wanted to know how many floppies he could transfer by CD or flash drive. Note: He's got maybe 12 MB of files, tops. The answer was 486 fully filled floppies onto a CD and 694 fully filled floppies onto a 1GB flash drive (and you can get an 8GB flash drive for $6 now).

But it does illustrate a point. If 12-year old technology is a problem, how will our records be retrieved 2,000 years from now? They literally are not written in stone. I've got files for my Amiga, C=64, VIC-20, Apple-II, Timex Sinclair, and probably a few others that I have no idea how to convert to contemporary formats. None of them are network ready. They also all degrade with time.

The expected lifetime of a burned CD or DVD is about ten years. Flash drives are good for six or so. There's no physical equivalent. Even the printer paper and ink or laserjet printers we use to print on them have a relatively short live expectancy. In the long term, it might be good if our corrupt and disfunctional society becomes a mystery for future generations. I'm torn on the matter.

Yeah, perhaps it would be good. No more fast food. No more junk TV. No more FOX (wait, I just said that in the last sentence). Perhaps future generations, should they exist, would be better off without what we have inflicted on the planet. It really is a hard call.









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Response to Gorp (Reply #16)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 07:32 PM

19. Not exactly what I meant

Contributors, kindly copy-paste...and that's it.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #19)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 07:34 PM

20. Ours only takes electronic submissions now. Life has gotten strange.

 

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Response to Gorp (Reply #20)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 07:36 PM

21. Between viruses and what version of ...XML are you using?

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #21)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 07:57 PM

28. XML is a protocol. It really hasn't changed much in ten years.

 

I don't actually use XML. It's irritating at best and nausiating at the same time. I use CSS and HTML. They coexist rather well. XML was designed to destroy electronic data transmission, best I can tell. It eats bandwidth, isn't compatible with anything, and, well, eats bandwidth, or did I say that already.

XML is an anal cyst like Limbaugh used to get out of Viet Nam service. In case you can't tell, I've got a rather bad opinion of XML, and sadly I know it rather well. I was asked to integrate it into one of my company's projects and refused flat out because I knew it was bad news right out of the starting blocks, and I understood it so I was on solid ground. On the plus side, it's pretty close to dead now. I knew it wouldn't live long, and what's left of it will disappear in a few years. CSS is far superior and has all of the advantages without the disadvantages. RFC 3023 is way past its service life.

We had a dickhead marketeer who insisted we needed to be XML compatible (like 20 years ago). I always knew when he was in the office because the Internet connection would grind to a halt. "Snoop -p" (promiscuous mode) would always rat him out and all he was doing was downloading porn. He held a meeting that had a really silly graphic of clouds and arrows, many of which went from CORBA to CORBA (note: this is a protocol that transcends physical connections). When challenged on it, he called it "Marketecture" - we took that to mean dog shit.

Fifteen unproven technologies and countless hours later, he was shocked that those unproven technologies didn't work together (note: we said so all along). We met the deadline, but it just wouldn't work. There were more bugs in the base technologies than an entire field of corn could possibly have. It never had a chance, we said so all along, but this asswipe porn addict insisted we had to make it work.

On the surface, it sort of worked, but not well. It wasn't ready for prime time and that was because of the underlying components, not anything we did. We all knew it was a waste of time. About three months later, we all got laid off and he kept his cushy porn-addicted position. AND, he had a wife. I feel sorry for her.



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Response to Gorp (Reply #28)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 08:00 PM

30. XML 10 handles graffics better than 07

There are serious differences. Don't get me started with '13.

Me, HTML is really the future.



Yup, I spent half a day looking for that.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 05:15 PM

12. Planned obsolescence perhaps?

Maybe they planned this to try to force you to buy Office 13 for ALL your computers.

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Response to tarheelsunc (Reply #12)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 06:01 PM

13. That is my suspicion

I just went...oh my freaking god!!!!

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 07:00 PM

17. Corporations have no reason to upgrade to Office 2013.

I bought it only because I could get it through work for $9.95. That's right! $9.95! I downloaded the 64-bit version and have yet to retrieve my email in Outlook. I don't know what the heck they were thinking. Why would they think corporations would roll over and buy an OS and software for a tablet computer when work computers are usually desktop or non-tablet type laptops? It does not make any sense.

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Response to Jazzgirl (Reply #17)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 07:32 PM

18. It makes zero sense

And windows 8 is a real dog.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #18)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 07:36 PM

22. I just saw Win8 yesterday. It blows moose cock. I couldn't even find the damn control panel.

 

They made it look like an iPhone. This is NOT an improvement. Win7 is pretty good, and a lot better than Vista. Win8 is a dud. It's almost as bad as M$ Bob.

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Response to Gorp (Reply #22)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 07:39 PM

23. It took practice

Also legacy software I use, nowhere to be found in their lovey garden.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 07:48 PM

25. I'm so glad I don't have to think about this stuff anymore,

but I was always a Corel/Word Perfect person anyway. I couldn't stand Word.

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Response to Blue_In_AK (Reply #25)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 07:50 PM

26. I got no choice



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Response to Blue_In_AK (Reply #25)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 07:59 PM

29. I loved Word Perfect.

When I was working, the company overhauled the computer system and we all had to switch from Word Perfect to Microsoft Word. I hated it, but became accustomed to it because I had no other choice.

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Response to RebelOne (Reply #29)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 08:05 PM

31. That happened in the law firm I worked for, too.

We had been using Word Perfect all the way back to the DOS days, and then some genius down in the Seattle main office decided that we all needed to switch to Word. There was much grumbling and complaining, but like you, we had to succumb. I never put it on my home machine, though. I was self-employed as a court transcriptionist for 10 years after I left my "real" job...the Court preferred Word Perfect format.

I don't have any word processing program on my home computer now since I upgraded to Win 7, but I may get the latest Word Perfect for when I starting writing my memoirs. (I also use PaintShopPro instead of PhotoShop just because I don't want to give MS any more of the market share.)

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Response to Blue_In_AK (Reply #31)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 11:19 AM

32. Photoshop is not ms product

That said...try libre office and GIMP. Both are free and very capable.

I just put libre on my netbook...yup, considered word, but I ain't buying that for what I get paid.

And yes, the courts nationwide prefer Word Perfect...it is the kernel control stupid. (Not you, them).

Reality is ms relies on the collective ignorance of their user base...it's XML right? Yes and no...that should be a small scandal.

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