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Thu Feb 21, 2013, 10:39 AM

DU POLL - Since 2000, are there now states you would never move to or work in ...

or possibly even visit? I have, I'm not listing them, but there are now states that have taken a real nose dive as any places I would want to be. I'm just curious if other DU'ers have similar feelings. I'm thinking mostly of how radical and un-American some state agendas have become with the reign of Bush, the teabagger rise, and now Obama hatred ... and a number of other things.


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Yes. I have developed feelings of some places I would not want to be.
72 (99%)
No. I have not developed feelings of some places I would not want to be.
0 (0%)
Any state, anyplace is OK.
1 (1%)
You only post polls at night, what's with this morning thing?
0 (0%)
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RKP5637 Feb 2013 OP
pipi_k Feb 2013 #1
RKP5637 Feb 2013 #12
pipi_k Feb 2013 #35
HERVEPA Feb 2013 #2
cali Feb 2013 #3
RKP5637 Feb 2013 #13
OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #4
kentauros Feb 2013 #23
RKP5637 Feb 2013 #61
PDJane Feb 2013 #102
kentauros Feb 2013 #104
wickerwoman Feb 2013 #47
Cirque du So-What Feb 2013 #5
RKP5637 Feb 2013 #14
Romulox Feb 2013 #6
alcibiades_mystery Feb 2013 #10
Samantha Feb 2013 #147
Scuba Feb 2013 #7
Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #33
HereSince1628 Feb 2013 #77
Jackpine Radical Feb 2013 #101
Jennicut Feb 2013 #8
RKP5637 Feb 2013 #15
CTyankee Feb 2013 #153
NightWatcher Feb 2013 #9
RKP5637 Feb 2013 #16
leveymg Feb 2013 #28
NightWatcher Feb 2013 #29
RKP5637 Feb 2013 #60
Livluvgrow Feb 2013 #11
RKP5637 Feb 2013 #18
patricia92243 Feb 2013 #93
tpsbmam Feb 2013 #96
Arugula Latte Feb 2013 #17
RKP5637 Feb 2013 #62
beveeheart Feb 2013 #75
Arugula Latte Feb 2013 #76
beveeheart Feb 2013 #80
RKP5637 Feb 2013 #87
beveeheart Feb 2013 #140
Tom Ripley Feb 2013 #143
OriginalGeek Feb 2013 #19
RKP5637 Feb 2013 #20
OriginalGeek Feb 2013 #21
RKP5637 Feb 2013 #25
Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2013 #26
OriginalGeek Feb 2013 #82
MrYikes Feb 2013 #22
RKP5637 Feb 2013 #27
Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2013 #24
RKP5637 Feb 2013 #30
2naSalit Feb 2013 #45
sadbear Feb 2013 #31
HockeyMom Feb 2013 #32
Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #37
Nay Feb 2013 #94
Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #95
2naSalit Feb 2013 #34
Historic NY Feb 2013 #36
Tom Ripley Feb 2013 #144
CBGLuthier Feb 2013 #38
RKP5637 Feb 2013 #44
Brickbat Feb 2013 #39
Mopar151 Feb 2013 #56
cordelia Feb 2013 #40
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Myrina Feb 2013 #64
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mokawanis Feb 2013 #146
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MineralMan Feb 2013 #106
RKP5637 Feb 2013 #113
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Marrah_G Feb 2013 #135
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Tom Ripley Feb 2013 #142
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RKP5637 Feb 2013 #151

Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 10:43 AM

1. There are, but

most of the ones I wouldn't live in have been on my Never In A Million Years list since way before 2000 anyway.

I like Massachusetts.

I like Western Mass.

I like my little Hilltowns home.




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Response to pipi_k (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 11:19 AM

12. I lived in MA for years, loved it, had to move for my job. Western MA is really nice!!! n/t

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #12)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 11:57 AM

35. Yep, it really

is nice out here.

So often we are ignored in the travel brochures, or given only a cursory mention, the focus being on the eastern part of the state...Boston...Cape Cod...Martha's Vinyard, etc.

It's a shame that so many residents out in those parts don't know more about what it's like here, especially seeing as we're such a small state.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 10:44 AM

2. For never living in - OK, FL, SC

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 10:46 AM

3. Vermont

Damn socialist hippie freak state. Now the commies in the statehouse want to tax soda by the ounce and let doctors kill the disabled. Pot smoking punks.

Just kidding. I wouldn't want to live anywhere but here.

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Response to cali (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 11:21 AM

13. LOL !!! I love Vermont too!!! I wish the entire US were like Vermont!!!

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 10:49 AM

4. There are states I wouldn't want to move to, but not because of political reasons.

 

I just think that some states that I wouldn't like because of the dry or desert geography. Also some states because of the very hot summer heat.

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Response to OceanEcosystem (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 11:45 AM

23. But it's a dry heat!



I'm similar in way of climate. Dry air makes me miserable, not to mention turning me into a walking Van der Graaf generator! Any state that has at least 60% (and well above) humidity levels, yet also "very hot summer heat", is a-ok by me

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Response to kentauros (Reply #23)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 01:13 PM

61. Same with my cat! He doesn't like getting zapped all the time with low humidity. He's

a walking Van der Graaf generator too.

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Response to kentauros (Reply #23)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 04:27 PM

102. The proper response to "It's a dry heat," is "So is a convection oven."

You get cooked whether it's arid or tropical. Heat is heat.

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Response to PDJane (Reply #102)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 04:36 PM

104. Notice, too, my use of the "tongue" smilie ;)

I agree that it's hot no matter whether dry or humid. Most are going to stay indoors. Although you will find me baking in the heat from time to time to warm up from the walk-in refrigerators also known as "office buildings"

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Response to OceanEcosystem (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:21 PM

47. +1

Climate change would be the deciding factor for me.

I honestly think in 20-30 years large parts of the South are going to be uninhabitable for people who can't afford thousands a year for air conditioning, not to mention water shortages. I don't think the population down there is sustainable and I would never invest in a house there.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 10:49 AM

5. For the most part

the list of states in which I wouldn't live or work hasn't changed since 2000. I am a transplant into the NE quadrant of the US, and that is where I make my stand - for better or worse. If I could find suitable employment, sufficient to offset the higher cost of living (and persuade my spouse to join me), I would relocate to New England in a heartbeat.

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Response to Cirque du So-What (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 11:24 AM

14. It's just gotten so expensive in New England. When I was a kid, it was sooo much more

reasonable.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 10:50 AM

6. I would never live in the South. Cultural reasons. nt

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Response to Romulox (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 10:59 AM

10. Agreed

I know Southerners have pride in their thing, and that's OK with me, and I'm sure it's all nice. But I couldn't take it. It would be a quality of life deal breaker to live pretty much anywhere in the South for me.

Before you go all "You're a bigot" on me, I'd suggest it would be a quality of life deal breaker for many of y'all to live in New York City, or Chicago or whatever. It's OK to have different cultures, and to prefer one's own culture, so long as we don't actively attack or hurt others. I don't want to live in the South. I don't like the culture. It doesn't suit me. It would grate on me constantly. That doesn't mean it's a bad culture - it's perfectly fine and rich for people who prefer it; it's just not for me.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #10)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 11:50 PM

147. I agree with you and my family is from Tennessee

When I used to go to family reunions, I would hear people still use the N word. It shocked me. I do not go any more.

Last week, when President Obama visited Georgia, some protesters gathered and yelled that word at him. I couldn't live in a state where that happened. I would just not fit in.

Sam

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 10:52 AM

7. Yes, and I live in one of them.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 11:56 AM

33. Ditto

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Response to Scuba (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 02:20 PM

77. But summer here can be nice

if it doesn't rain that week!

Living in WI for the past decade makes me appreciate history much better. I now sort of understand what life was like in the closing years of the Wiemar Republic.


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Response to Scuba (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 04:23 PM

101. Yeh.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 10:56 AM

8. I am interested in visiting other states but living there would be hard to do.

I live in Connecticut. I am used to a small state, a faster pace of life, the convenience of everything you need being extremely close by and fairly progressive laws and a socially liberal way of life. And a shoreline! Some people who come here are horrified by our congestion and the sheer amount of people in a small space. And the amount of Dunkin Donuts per town. But gay marriage is legal, no one wants to change the abortion laws, etc.

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Response to Jennicut (Reply #8)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 11:25 AM

15. I like Connecticut a lot too!

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #15)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 02:42 PM

153. I moved to CT from VA. I couldn't get out of that state fast enough after they engineered the

defeat of the Equal Rights Amendment...

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 10:58 AM

9. I dont do cold weather, so I would never live north of Georgia

I thought I was going to freeze one winter in North Georgia and was convinced that I would never live north of Atlanta ever again.

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #9)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 11:28 AM

16. I've gotten so I can't take the cold as well as I used too. I like the first snowfall, pretty and

all, but then when it stays and stays on the ground and turns to a mud look with pot holes and all the charm kind of goes away for me.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #16)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 11:53 AM

28. It's not as cold as it used to be. I remember Long Island Sound was frozen out a mile one January

in the early 1970s.

Nothing like that in recent times.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #16)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 11:54 AM

29. my body doesnt do cold anymore. I have Raynaud's

and my hands lose feeling when it gets the slightest bit chilly. Plus I'm the only person I know who digs the humidity in the South

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #29)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 01:07 PM

60. I can handle humidity way better than dryness. n/t

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 11:15 AM

11. I live north of Asheville

and wouldn't trade in my life for anything. Apparently President Obama likes it as he visits here frequently and just last week said he and Michelle would like to retire here. Wow who would of thunk that the south would be good enough for our president. I was born and raised on the south side of Chicago and after spending 17 dollars on tolls passing through Illinois to Wisconsin I decided Illinois is better being bypassed. I am now in the mountains and in the words of Loretta Lynn "I aint coming down no never I'm not, high on a mountain top".

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Response to Livluvgrow (Reply #11)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 11:30 AM

18. All I've ever heard is just absolutely wonderful things about Asheville. It always

sounds absolutely beautiful and the people seem very very nice and also open minded!

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Response to Livluvgrow (Reply #11)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 03:25 PM

93. Live ins West Asheville. The Prez has good taste - he likes us and 7 Bones - BBQ Restaurant. n/t

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Response to Livluvgrow (Reply #11)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 03:32 PM

96. Hey, neighbor! Born & bred New York City'er moved here 8 years ago

and absolutely love it! Tons to love about it. Though currently saddled with ReTHUGS thanks to redistricting, Asheville is a very progressive area. Who'd Buncombe go for in the 2004 Democratic primaries? Kucinich! Wow. That happened just as I was moving down -- the progressiveness of the area was what made the move possible for me.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 11:30 AM

17. One big thing for me is, psychologically, I can't stand being landlocked.

I spent a summer in Colorado and I would frequently hallucinate (without the use of drugs) that the Great Plains, as seen from the Rockies, were actually the ocean (they really do look blue/purple in certain lights!).

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #17)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 01:16 PM

62. Yep, I like the oceans too! n/t

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #17)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 02:14 PM

75. I have lived in Colorado for over 24 years, but am originally from Maryland.

Every year though, I have to go back to Maryland and spend time on/in/near the Chester River, the Chesapeake Bay and the Atlantic Ocean because they were such a part of my life when I was growing up.

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Response to beveeheart (Reply #75)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 02:16 PM

76. When I lived in DC I loved the beaches of Maryland, Virginia and Delaware.

The only downside was that you could easily get stuck in summer traffic and it would take up to four hours to make it to the beach.

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #76)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 02:35 PM

80. Yep, the Chesapeake Bay Bridge traffic will slow you down.

Fortunately for me, I was already on the Eastern Shore and knew the back roads to get to the beaches quicker.

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #76)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 02:53 PM

87. Yep, the beaches are wonderful. It's been a long time, but I sure remember the

traffic. Years ago I remember coming back loaded a couple of times as a college kid ... scares me some now thinking back on it ...

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #87)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 09:49 PM

140. You weren't the only one!!

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #17)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 11:03 PM

143. Same here for me (n/t)

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 11:36 AM

19. There's no state I wouldn't want to visit

I'd have to hear the numbers before deciding about moving to and working in but I am willing to listen to the pitch from anywhere.

I sure don't mind living in central Florida. Not to be a jerk to you folks under 10 feet of snow (how I picture everything north of Georgia lol) but I could go get a tee time right now and be playing golf while wearing shorts within 45 minutes counting the time to go home and change clothes. 20 minutes if my spikes were in the car and I wanted to play in long pants.

And as a native who has also lived from Texas to Maryland the heat and humidity don't bother me much any more.


I wouldn't mind some cool hills and more brick houses though. Stucco is getting on my nerves.

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Response to OriginalGeek (Reply #19)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 11:38 AM

20. LOL !!! Major snow storm is hitting here now. PLEASE send some sunshine up!!!

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #20)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 11:41 AM

21. I'm pushing that warm front as hard as I can

at lunch I'll go out and shine a mirror your way and hope you get some reflected heat.

hope this helps!

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Response to OriginalGeek (Reply #21)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 11:49 AM

25. That'll be great!!! I won't have to shovel out the driveway!!!

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Response to OriginalGeek (Reply #19)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 11:50 AM

26. There's some hills west and south of Orlando.

Not anything major or anything to be confused with mountains.

But if you take the Turnpike west of Orlando you'll run into some nice rolling hills in the Clearmont area.

(And while you're at it, check out Lakeridge Wineries around there. Some good Florida wine they have there!)

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #26)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 02:47 PM

82. Yep, my wife's best friend lives in Clermont

but it's still in a stucco house! man I hate stucco lol.

It's a pretty damn NICE stucco house, mind you, but it's still stucco.

I do like driving around up there - the rolling hills are a nice change.

Been to Lakeridge a couple times and I like it but we just recently visited Keel and Curley Winery near Tampa and I loved their stuff - they concentrate more on fruit wines other than muscadine grapes. Their peach and strawberry wines were delicious. And they have a dry blueberry that was very nice as well. Now, my friends who are into wine consider all that stuff to be Night-train grade swill but I am, fortunately, unburdened by a wine snob palate. I save all my snobbery for beer.

My favorite part of the Clermont area is the Yalaha bakery though. It takes me an hour to get there and it's worth every second.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 11:44 AM

22. Kansas,

Something has changed there. I keep hearing about Kansas.

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Response to MrYikes (Reply #22)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 11:52 AM

27. Kansas is going through a morphing into something ... hard to tell where that something is

ending up. Last election they voted out just about all moderates and into a teabagger controlled state and lots of Koch Brothers $$$$$.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 11:47 AM

24. Anywhere cold.

But to be fair, I think I've felt that way long before 2000.

But I sure am loving the 80 degree February weather today. I think I'm going for a swim on my lunch break!

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #24)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 11:54 AM

30. Stop it, just plain stop it and come over and help me shovel out all of this damn snow!

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #30)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:17 PM

45. I went skiing yesterday and I think I'll go again today.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 11:55 AM

31. I don't really want to be where I am now.

Texas. But it seems all my family doesn't have a problem with it, so I'm overruled.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 11:55 AM

32. Florida where I unfortunately have to live

Always felt this way. LONG before 2000. Hopefully, someday soon I can get out. Too many reasons, weather included, to list.

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #32)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:01 PM

37. I am stuck here permanently...

It was different when we moved here 25 years go.... Now the children are grown and have established themselves ... so I am here till the end.

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #37)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 03:26 PM

94. Have to say I'm in the same boat. I live in VA, the kid and grandkid live 3 blocks away, and

even though I HATE THIS FUCKING STATE, I am here to the end to be around them.

Otherwise, I'd move all the way across the country, or to Canada.

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Response to Nay (Reply #94)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 03:29 PM

95. My relocation choices as well.

*sigh*

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 11:56 AM

34. There were already places I would never work or live prior to 2000.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 11:59 AM

36. Misssissippi, horrible for health care....

treated family members bone cancer as if it was arthritis. Its not the state to go to if your expecting quailty medical care or prevention.

http://www.americashealthrankings.org/

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #36)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 11:04 PM

144. It's a great place to be FROM and get out of.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:04 PM

38. Oh, this is going to turn out real well.

Nothing like a good old fashioned state bashing thread.

And that is what it will become. It already has started.

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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #38)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:13 PM

44. Well, it wasn't meant that way! n/t

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:05 PM

39. Other -- there have been states I would not move to since *before* 2000.

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Response to Brickbat (Reply #39)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:58 PM

56. I'm with you

The politics may have gotten more noticable since the false coronation of George The Worst, but the underlying cultural issues have been there awhile.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:09 PM

40. Yay! Region bashing! We haven't had any of that here in 12 or 13 minutes!

This crap is why we need Urec.

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Response to cordelia (Reply #40)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:11 PM

42. Who is bashing regions ??? n/t

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #42)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 01:47 PM

70. Read the thread.

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Response to cordelia (Reply #70)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 01:56 PM

74. Yep, it is. Agree, just read it all. n/t

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:10 PM

41. Even before 2000 there were states I had no desire to live in.

Visiting all the states is a neat thing to do. I'm working on that.

I've lived in states I wouldn't live in again. I've visited states I see no reason to visit again.

I do consider the politics of the state/area/region when looking at places to live. It's not my only consideration.

People like different things.





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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:12 PM

43. I always dreamed of retiring in Arizona....

but now that it's time, I won't live there until they clean up their politics. Looking for some place in the vicinity, but not Arizona.

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Response to madmom (Reply #43)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 05:18 PM

109. Have you considered New Mexico? n/t

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Response to whathehell (Reply #109)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 07:31 PM

116. Yes, we are seriously considering New Mexico. Just haven't decided where yet...

any suggestions?

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Response to madmom (Reply #116)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 07:52 PM

120. I liked the Santa Fe area a lot, though I've only visited.

Your best bet would be to go to

the New Mexico state forum...They'll give you a better idea.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #120)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 08:02 PM

121. Thanks, Santa Fe was one of the areas we were

looking at, along with Albuquerque. I'll check out the state forum.

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Response to madmom (Reply #121)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 07:13 AM

138. You're quite welcome, and good luck! n/t

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Response to madmom (Reply #116)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 08:06 PM

123. The Santa Fe area is awesome. Well educated people live there. nt

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:18 PM

46. absolutely

There are places I wouldn't want to drive through. Years ago...in the 80's we took a road trip to Tenn., and got some flack because our license plates gave us away as New Yorker's. I can only imagine....

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:31 PM

48. Texas. Took a train through it once. Close as I plan to ever get.

But the train stopped on the overpass looking over Dealey Plaza. Saw the Book Depository and the grassy knoll. From the train window it looked like a tiny doll set.

There is nothing else in that state I have even the slightest interest in experiencing.

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Response to stlsaxman (Reply #48)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:59 PM

57. That's About The Typical Basis For Texas-Bashing, Here At DU. (nt)


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Response to Paladin (Reply #57)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 01:39 PM

69. Yeah, and I thought we Texans were the close minded types

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Response to Ishoutandscream2 (Reply #69)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 01:47 PM

71. The Only Thing That Surprised Me.....


...was that judgment-by-train-window poster's failure to add the usual, tiresome "But I wouldn't mind going to Austin some day, because everybody knows it's the only cool place in the state!" exception.....

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Response to Paladin (Reply #71)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 03:19 PM

92. Well I can watch Austin City Limits on PBS...

and SXSW is a long running scam so why go to Austin?

btw- i LOVED seeing Dealey Plaza from the train- it gave me goosebumps to be so close to the spot where (even horrific) history was made.

Aside from the Texas Board Of Education lobotomizing the children of America with a crucifix- what else does Texas have to offer?

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Response to stlsaxman (Reply #92)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 04:15 PM

98. Yeah, As If I'm Wasting Time On Changing A Mindset Like Yours.


I'll give you credit, though, for the snark about SXSW---that's the one time of the year that my old Austin friends try to be out of town. The city loses some of its charm, with all those out-of-state college kids, puking on sidewalks.....

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Response to Paladin (Reply #98)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 04:28 PM

103. Okay- instead of "wasting time"... how about sighting a few great things about Texas?

Granted, my mindset is pretty severe but I even surprise myself on occasion on how open-minded i can be.

Let's make it two great things that aren't food or music related that you would say makes Texas a great place to visit?

and what are your thought on what the Texas School Board is doing to the nations textbooks?

Sincerely, please.

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Response to stlsaxman (Reply #103)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 05:15 PM

108. Is There Any Point To This?


You've formed an opinion on Texas based on a distant view of the JFK assassination site and the many sins of the state school board. That's like traveling to Germany and restricting your visit to the remains of Dachau. I could give you a hundred saving grace items in my native state, but I'll just restrict myself to just one: Old Tunnel State Park (www.tpwd.state.tx.us/oldtunnel). The experience is enhanced by the consumption of several beers at the Alamo Springs Cafe, which is within easy staggering distance to the park entrance. Check it out---hey, three million Mexican free-tailed bats can't be wrong.....

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Response to Paladin (Reply #108)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 05:27 PM

111. Excellent!

Yes- I'm jaded and prejudicial and narrow-minded but, damn... that cave is cool!

Thank you very much for your indulgence.

I've bookmarked this page... I may be looking at a road trip in my future and

http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/state-parks/

might help me decide on a route.

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Response to stlsaxman (Reply #111)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 09:09 AM

139. My Pleasure. Seriously. (nt)

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Response to Ishoutandscream2 (Reply #69)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 08:10 PM

125. Keep working to make your state blue. You guys will be a big lift to our side when you pull

that off. Once you go blue, the back of the republican party will be snapped.

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Response to Paladin (Reply #57)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 03:08 PM

90. Glad to have set the bar.

... and you're welcome.

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Response to stlsaxman (Reply #90)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 04:17 PM

99. You Didn't Set The Bar, You Just Adhered To It. Thanks For Playing. (nt)

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Response to stlsaxman (Reply #48)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 08:03 PM

122. I make visits to Texas. That's enough for me. There are good people there, but the idiots are

ruling for the time being.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:33 PM

49. Utah is the only state on my personal shit list.

Texas used to be on this list but then I read Kinky Friedman's travelouge of Austin. Now I'd actually want to go see Austin.

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Response to TheMightyFavog (Reply #49)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 02:28 PM

79. So, you have not been to Moab or read Desert Solitaire?

Edward Abbey lived in Utah.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:37 PM

50. I won't move back to Arizona.

My parents' home state was Indiana but I grew up in Arizona.

I will never go back. Arizona was not too bad in the 80s and 90s. I got a great, bilingual education and felt like we lived in an integrated, Norteņo culture. (I felt that -- my mother, who speaks no Spanish, feels excluded and I'm starting to see teabag creep into her.) in school, we did Jane Austen and Isabel Allende together, for example. Culturally, I am a Norteņo (by the standards of Woodward's American Nations) so it breaks my heart to see my native earth destroyed.

If I want warm weather, I stay in Colorado. If I want snow, I stay here. If I want Norteņo culture, I stay here.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:37 PM

51. How's this for fair to each region?

least desirable:

North -- NJ
South -- SC
West -- UT
Mid-west -- KS

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:44 PM

52. Have toothbrush, will travel.

Life is an adventure and every state, city and town hold some new and interesting morsel, even if it is only a hill or flower I've never seen before.

Move to or work in? Hard to say... too many variables.

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Response to tavernier (Reply #52)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 02:52 PM

85. Exactly

You said it more poetically than I but that's exactly how I see it too.

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Response to OriginalGeek (Reply #85)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 08:40 PM

134. And all we need is the winning lotto number!

Hugs to you my gypsy friend!

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:50 PM

53. for sure

i'd never live in utah, or several southern states. the west coast has spoiled me.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:53 PM

54. I don't think I could live south of the Mason-Dixon line

and not just because of the politics; I just don't do heat particularly well. I was in North Carolina once and got to see the kudzu and I've been once to Williamsburg, VA so I'm good. I do remember that just seeing the bumper stickers while I was there made me feel really out of place.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:54 PM

55. Other.

There are definitely places where I don't want to live or work. However, I am so desperate at this point, I'll go just about anywhere for a job.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:59 PM

58. It's more about the weather..but...




Tikki

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 01:06 PM

59. Since 2000, I have realized that I can only live in California

 

Everywhere else has too many unleashed crazies

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Response to Taverner (Reply #59)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 01:24 PM

65. It was not until about 2000 that I really started to realize how many unleashed

crazies there were in the US. And, I thought a lot of the craziness of past times had gone away. Was I ever wrong.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #65)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 01:25 PM

66. Yes, this is true

 

Where I saw it the most were places I wouldn't have expected: Denver, CO; Chicago, IL; Herndon, VA

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Response to Taverner (Reply #59)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 10:57 PM

141. And California is supposedly immune from unleashed crazies?

Somehow I doubt that.

Unleashed crazies are a nationwide phenomoena.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #141)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 11:52 PM

148. It's not, but the devil you know, right?

 

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Response to Taverner (Reply #148)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 10:24 AM

149. You gotta live a little!

Compare the crazies!

I, for one, would love to visit California and see how their crazies compare to my Florida crazies!

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #149)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 02:33 PM

152. Visit? Sure! Hella!

 

Live? Hmmmm, besides the FL crazies there's the crocogators and storms

At least when the big one hits its all over in a matter of seconds

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Response to Taverner (Reply #152)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 02:50 PM

154. Crocogators are FUCKING AWESOME!!!!!

And don't even get me started about the awesomeness of FUCKING CROCOGATORS IN A FUCKING HURRICANE! FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #154)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 02:53 PM

155. If you rub their bellies and sing them a song, will they go to sleep?

 

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Response to Taverner (Reply #155)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 02:54 PM

156. Not only that.....

.....they will begin to glow and cure all maladies within a 20 mile radius. It's a pretty cool sight to see.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 01:18 PM

63. no

BUt then again when I relocate to a various state for work, it is to elect Democrats in the area.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 01:22 PM

64. I wanted desperately to move back to Madison WI until it became Fitzwalkerstan.

What's happened to my beloved progressive oasis, Wisconsin??

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Response to Myrina (Reply #64)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 01:25 PM

67. Where I am sometimes I feel I live in some warped version of the Twilight Zone. n/t

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Response to Myrina (Reply #64)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 11:35 PM

146. Been in Madison for a long time

and will probably remain, but the last 2 years have been pretty rough.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 01:31 PM

68. I really, truly dislike the term "un-American"

and you know, I find it kind of hilarious that anyone is going to say "un-American agenda" when the USA is a country built on tax evasion, slavery and Native American genocide. Bush? Heh. How about Adams? (Read about the Alien and Sedition Acts, sometime.) Or Polk (Mexican War) or McKinley (Spanish-American War). Curtailing civil liberties and justifying it with "threat to national security"? Nothing new, and as American as baseball (same thing with trumped-up wars for nonsexistent reasons). Radical, sure; the radicalism of the extreme right wing of the Republican party is pretty much what William F Buckley described as "standing athwart history, yelling STOP!". The white evangelical Christian cultural conservatives of places like Georgia and Mississippi and Oklahoma and so on see the world changing around them, see themselves becoming a minority in a generation, see the slow decline of religion, the acceptance of things like divorce, same-sex marriage, and so on, see a black president, and it terrifies them because they have a very narrow idea of what constitutes "America" and can't really cope with the idea that they are becoming increasingly irrelevant. If things go on as they have for another few generations it's entirely possible that this may lead to another civil war. (Especially if both sides keep bandying about terms like "un-American" to describe the other.)

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #68)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 01:55 PM

73. Agree!!! Well said!!! n/t

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 01:51 PM

72. I lived in Texas for seven years

and I'm not a fan. I'm a northern and western kind of person anyway...I like snow, I don't like heat...so Alaska is perfect for me climate and scenery wise. We're having some real issues with our gov't right now, but I love this place enough to stay and fight.

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Response to Blue_In_AK (Reply #72)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 02:50 PM

84. I've never been to Alaska, but from what I've heard/seen it's a pretty nice place. n/t

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #84)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 04:04 PM

97. It's a beautiful place with a lot of really great people.

We're just being ALECized right now unfortunately, much to everyone's dismay.

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Response to Blue_In_AK (Reply #97)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 04:17 PM

100. Palin did a lot of disservice to Alaska. That whole charade. n

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #100)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 05:26 PM

110. Yes, she did,

but she was just the warm-up act for what's going on here now. We don't get much press these days since Sean Parnell gives the appearance of being sane, but because of that, he is ever so much more dangerous. We have several names for him -- Captain Zero (that one was actually conferred on him by Rep. Don Young), Governor Giveaway, or my personal favorite, Seanoco Parnellips.

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Response to Blue_In_AK (Reply #110)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 05:33 PM

114. ... love those names!

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 02:28 PM

78. Living in Dixie during puberty left me with a very bad taste in my mouth

and I can't imagine trying to live there again, even though the Smokies will always call to me. I found southern culture incompatible, not to mention clannish and harsh. Perhaps it would be different now that I'm a grownup and know who to tell to go to hell, but I still don't want to go back there, thanks.

Otherwise, I'm a city gal, so most of the big cities in this country would do since most of them are full of liberals and oddballs, even Salt Lake City.

It was wrenching to leave New England (where I fled when I left the south in the late 60s), but I've found New Mexico to be a decent fit. I think there are more areas I'd be willing to live than I'd want to avoid.

Just don't ask me to live in Dixie, thanks. BTDT

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Response to Warpy (Reply #78)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 02:49 PM

83. I loved New England, but I just find it too expensive to get back there again for me. I've heard a

lot of good things about New Mexico.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #83)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 02:53 PM

86. It's too expensive for me, too

and I inherited money! I just didn't inherit enough for Boston.

NM is a good fit culturally. Since there are three major clashing cultures here (tribal, Hispanic, Anglo), oddballs are tolerated and given a lot of slack. The weather here has completely spoiled me. We got 4 inches of snow overnight and the pavement was dry by noon.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #86)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 02:57 PM

88. Last I was back in MA I looked in western MA too ... that was expensive. Not as bad as

Boston. Years ago I lived in downtown Boston ... I couldn't even remotely think of living there now. I like places that have some slack. I'm pretty much a live and let live person.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #88)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 03:00 PM

89. I lived on the wrong side of Beacon Hill

I'll bet nothing has been done to renovate that odd little apartment in the 30 years since I lived there and I'll bet the rent is in the thousands, plural.

Buying is out of the question, too. I could afford the purchase. I just couldn't begin to afford the property taxes, year after year.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #89)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 03:16 PM

91. Taxes are out of sight. One house I owned years ago now has a tax rate of about $12,000/yr. I was

shocked when I looked it up on zillow.com one day.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 02:39 PM

81. Florida

The Travon Martin debacle, sealed it for me.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 04:51 PM

105. It would have to be surrounded by mountains and water --

we have plenty of both in Seattle and I'm used to looking at the vistas.

I lived in North Carolina for a few years and remember seeing one of the most gorgeous sunsets ever which was disappearing beyond the horizon. I thouhgt "I'll be able to catch it again from a hill" -- but there were no hills where I lived!

Seattle has lots of hills, too. I guess I should just stay put. I SUFFER when it gets any hotter that low '70's.

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Response to gateley (Reply #105)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 05:48 PM

115. You and me both, Gateley,

on the temps above 70. I guess we're where we belong.

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Response to Blue_In_AK (Reply #115)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 08:09 PM

124. Haha! I'd much rather be up there with you than

down in FL or Louisana or AZ!

When we're at 80 -- or higher! -- when people say "enjoying the beautiful weather?" I just want to slap them!

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Response to gateley (Reply #124)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 08:26 PM

131. Me, too.

Last summer we had a couple of days that were pretty warm, maybe 68 or so, and I was sweating like crazy working in my garden. Simply too hot. .

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 04:55 PM

106. Not since 2000. The same states that have been on

my list for a very long time are still on that list:

Mississippi
Arkansas
Alabama
Idaho
Kansas
Missouri

I am forced to enter Kansas and Missouri on very rare occasions, only because I-35 goes through them.

One other I only am in when an airline flight takes me to an airport there:

Texas

Parts of Georgia are also on my list, but I love Atlanta.

I have no reason, nor desire, to set foot in any of those states, and that has been the case since the late 1960s. My reasons are personal ones, and I would not ever criticize any person who lived in any of those states for living in them.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #106)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 05:31 PM

113. KS continues to get stranger and stranger. One of the things we were discussing the

other night here is how many things are hidden in KS 'till suddenly they appear. It seems there is a cone of silence around the shenanigans going on. And seldom on the local news does one hear a lot about the KS government. I've lived in a number of states and it seemed a fair amount of news time was spent each night discussing state issues and politics.

Yep, lots of really good people live in all states and sometimes, of course, the political nature of the state changes around them much to their chagrin.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 05:06 PM

107. Many for all kinds of reasons-NY, MS, AZ, NM, OK, TX, AL, probably GA, CA is dicey too

as is NJ. I could do WI and MN but would need to winter elsewhere, the cloud cover is a bummer.

Have to have trees and water.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 05:29 PM

112. My list hasn't changed since 1985.

Any state in the southern part of the country - It has to do with bugs and climate. I don't do well in high heat.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 07:35 PM

117. Yes: MS, AL, LA

All of the rest of the south (I'm in NC now but unhappy about it). I've decided my next move will, with any luck, be to a blue state. I'm even willing to put up with cold weather, so New England is definitely in play for for me, though I prefer Oregon and Washington states.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 07:45 PM

119. Most of the Bible Belt. n/t

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 08:14 PM

126. I was glad to get out of the south into a more liberal community

but there are a lot of similarities nonetheless.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 08:16 PM

127. Arizona moved into the do not visit slot since 2008. I lived in Tuscon in 2006 and love Grijalva

but I wouldn't even feel safe going their these days.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 08:17 PM

128. Florida, Texas, Arizona

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 08:17 PM

129. I could pretty much only live in the Northeast (New York and New England).

I have lived out in San Francisco, which was nice, but I definitely felt that culturally, I didn't belong there. I pretty much only socialized and related to Northeasterners and always knew I would go back. If I didn't live in the Northeastern US, the only other place I would want to live would be Europe.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 08:19 PM

130. I had opposition to moving the same states after as before 2000.

Either because the climate or working conditions.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 08:29 PM

132. I thought about moving to Florida to be close to my mother & stepfather, but Jeb and (P)Rick Scott

put a damper on that.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 08:30 PM

133. Any state that allows carry

Just to be clear to the guys who masturbate with their guns, freakin Dodge City would shoot you on sight - the police would - if they saw you carrying. This was after it became a big city.
The reason for that is obvious if you value the freedom to stroll around town without fearing for your life.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 09:13 PM

135. I will never move from the North East

And probably not from New England

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Response to Marrah_G (Reply #135)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 09:16 PM

136. Yep, I know exactly what you mean. I was quite saddened when I had to leave for a job. n/t

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 09:59 PM

137. I'll trade a Louisiana for a Vermont...

Any takers???

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 11:01 PM

142. I moved to Georgia when it was on a progressive path, now I can't wait to get out...

of the hellhole to which it has reverted back. I would actually prefer South Carolina where the rednecks are not quite as redneck-y as the Georgia variety.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Mon Feb 25, 2013, 11:12 PM

145. There are places in every state that would be attractive to me.

particularly major college towns, and there are places in every state that would not be attractive. Overall, the most attractive state to me would be Hawaii, while the least attractive one would probably be Louisiana.

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Response to RKP5637 (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 10:25 AM

150. I would not like to be surrounded by tea baggers

But that doesn't cut out any state, since even red states have cities, which are usually blue.

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Response to treestar (Reply #150)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 10:47 AM

151. Yeah, same here ... some states seem to be decidedly more teabaggerish, so I'm avoiding them.

All states have teabaggers. I guess as long as near a city/metro area one is OK. Fortunately with the internet it's easier anymore to check out places. I used to love rural areas, but anymore I'm really cautious.

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