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Thu Feb 21, 2013, 10:21 AM

WHO? I Will Tell You Who.


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Reply WHO? I Will Tell You Who. (Original post)
kpete Feb 2013 OP
spanone Feb 2013 #1
BlueCaliDem Feb 2013 #2
2naSalit Feb 2013 #6
BlueCaliDem Feb 2013 #28
siligut Feb 2013 #9
spanone Feb 2013 #18
BlueCaliDem Feb 2013 #27
Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #46
freshwest Feb 2013 #8
BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2013 #14
freshwest Feb 2013 #15
BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2013 #19
lark Feb 2013 #24
NBachers Feb 2013 #3
world wide wally Feb 2013 #12
nightscanner59 Feb 2013 #40
SCVDem Feb 2013 #4
Le Taz Hot Feb 2013 #32
AndyA Feb 2013 #5
Plucketeer Feb 2013 #7
onenote Feb 2013 #36
Chorophyll Feb 2013 #10
Cleita Feb 2013 #11
BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2013 #16
annabanana Feb 2013 #13
DemoTex Feb 2013 #17
BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2013 #20
Stonepounder Feb 2013 #21
truebluegreen Feb 2013 #25
AtomicKitten Feb 2013 #22
Berlum Feb 2013 #23
Arby Feb 2013 #26
Phlem Feb 2013 #31
sadbear Feb 2013 #34
Little Star Feb 2013 #29
cry baby Feb 2013 #30
onenote Feb 2013 #35
onenote Feb 2013 #33
cry baby Feb 2013 #41
judesedit Feb 2013 #37
Whisp Feb 2013 #38
onenote Feb 2013 #43
Cha Feb 2013 #39
kathysart_decoration Feb 2013 #42
onenote Feb 2013 #44
nightscanner59 Feb 2013 #45

Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 10:24 AM

1. no, no. i've been watching the teevee, it was ALL Obama's idea. he forced it on reThugs....

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Response to spanone (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 10:32 AM

2. This is EXACTLY how it's being sold on ALL corporate teevee - even MSNBC.

It's as if congressional Democrats AND Republicans "caved" to President Obama's demand for the sequester, and they'll keep this bullshit up until they're called on it.

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 11:32 AM

6. Except for

Ed and Rachel, they called Boehner and the band of talking rethugs out on it big time last night.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 02:14 PM

28. That's true, but we do need more. They're but two voices in a SEA

of manufactured lies and misinformation - even on MSNBC!

I'm so sick of corporate media.

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:02 PM

9. They are pushing that message HARD

AM radio, I am sure this guy is some favorite but it was so disgusting I didn't wait to find out.

A mix of humiliating the callers who didn't agree with a hard-line blame it all on selfish, stupid Obama.

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:47 PM

18. if the media repeats it enough times, it becomes the perceived truth....

politics has no room at all for the truth.

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Response to spanone (Reply #18)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 02:13 PM

27. The sad thing is,

most Americans, although they say they don't believe the media, actually are influenced by it when it's time to vote.

I know more and more Americans are getting their news from online sites, but there are still entirely too many who allow themselves to be influenced by the "sequester's Obama's fault!" meme that's currently infesting our corporate-owned and operated media - down to the (rarely accurate, but bought and paid for) polls that back them up. Combined, this can make for a dangerous environment for the Democrats.

Speaking of Democrats . . . when are they going to get off of their duffs and begin deluging the cable and broadcast shows to correct the lying Republicans? Or are they secretly agreeing with them? Makes one wonder . . .

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 09:13 PM

46. Wow. I didn't remember this. I totally believed it was Obama and the Dems!

I am stoooopid for not checking the facts.

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Response to spanone (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 11:40 AM

8. Yup, yup, yap, yap! I heard Boehner call it Obama's Sequester! All Obama's Fault!

How much longer will outright lies be believed?



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Response to freshwest (Reply #8)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:40 PM

14. that's what I can't stand--the outright, blatant lies AND

the media that's more like repuke headquarters.

I just can't stand it.

One good thing about living alone now is that I don't watch teevee. And I quit NPR during the campaigns, when they sounded more like the rMoney fluffer team.

So I get my current events from here now.

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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #14)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:42 PM

15. Same thing here, Blanche. It's just meaningless noise, not news at all when they're selling the lie.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #15)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:50 PM

19. right! Sound and fury, signifying nothing.

But it's not exactly that either, because that implies chaotic undirected clamor. To me, the media seems to be clearly dedicated to driving the repuke bandwagon.

It sure isn't news, that's for certain. Ugh. I keep thinking I should watch every now and then, just to see...but then I think I'd rather not have to retrieve pieces of my brain from the walls and ceiling after my head explodes.

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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #14)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 01:25 PM

24. You got it right

The major media are firmly in bed with the Repukes. The owners are rich corporations so they support the folks that support the 1% and play down, ignore, any news that doesn't advance the cause of the ultra rich and powerful. An illustration of their bizzarro world, the oft claimed lie that "the liberal media", etc. etc. There is no liberal main stream media, only MSNBC comes even close and yet in the end, they are the 1% as well, owned by Comcast. Current was more liberal, but it's been sold and who knows if any of us will get to see it when Al Jazeera takes over.

Makes me so mad when they support the lies and never speak truth to Repukes. Why isn't David Gregory or Morning Joe correcting their guests when they claim the sequester was p ushed by Obama? Haven't heard one person doing that other than Ed and Rachel.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 10:58 AM

3. Even (and by now I shouldn't be surprised) NPR- National rePublican Radio

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Response to NBachers (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:36 PM

12. Pay closer attention...NPR is totally Republican

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Response to world wide wally (Reply #12)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 10:44 PM

40. now that is something that I'm shocked... shocked, I tellzya, didn't see that coming

Although bay area NPR is still fairly "balanced", on recent trips across the heartland I couldn't beleive my ears.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 11:09 AM

4. Did you hear Gramps McCain at the town hall?

He said it!

You are entitled to your opinion sir, not your own facts.

Do people say Oh Snap! anymore?

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Response to SCVDem (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 04:10 PM

32. "Gramps" McCain?

Hmmmmmm. . .

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 11:25 AM

5. Another inconvenient truth.

Shame on the media for not calling out every Republicon on this lie. Where are the Democrats with this fact? They should be shoving this back at the GOP every chance they get.

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Response to AndyA (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 11:39 AM

7. It's not "media" anymore

It's "mediaTORS". Doing their best to make things look as two-party instigated as possible. Screw the truth.

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Response to AndyA (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 06:00 PM

36. This particular fact would blow up in Democrats' face

The sequester passed with bi-partisan support. Am I the only one that remembers the cheering for Gabby Giffords when she returned to the House floor to vote for the Budget Control Act of 2011? The bill referenced in the OP was an earlier version of the legislation that not only had the sequested, but also had a balanced budget provision that was a poison pill for Democrats. So Democrats refused to support it, it passed with repub votes and died in the Senate. A couple of days later a revised version, with the sequester but without the balanced budget language, came up for a vote and received 95 Democratic votes and 174 repub votes -- in other words, both parties supported it. Same thing in the Senate: 74 votes for -- 46 Democrats and 28 repubs.

The characterization of the sequester as a Democratic law is wrong. But so too would be a characterization of it as a repub law. In both the House and the Senate it took votes from members of both parties to get a majority.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:25 PM

10. K&R

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:26 PM

11. Disgusting is what they are doing now. As someone who depends on Medicare and

Social Security, all I can say is my disgust and despair knows no boundaries on this. Yet, as usual, all we can do is watch the disaster happen, like watching an airplane fall and crash into a fiery end, and you can do nothing about it but scream.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #11)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:42 PM

16. and hug each other

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:40 PM

13. kickarino!. . . n/t

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:46 PM

17. The MoFos OWN it!

Now make them EAT it!

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Response to DemoTex (Reply #17)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:51 PM

20. this. --^--

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:53 PM

21. MSM = Pravda

I'm old enough to remember the 'Red Menace' (hell, I even remember practicing 'duck and cover') and we were taught how bad the Communists were. Our teachers joked about how they had free elections, but with only one party. And how the government controlled the press.

I just want to know, how are we any different today? We only have one party - the Republicans. Whether they have a majority or not, you do what they say or they will destroy the country - and blame it on the Democrats and the MSM will follow right along and repeat their lies as gospel. A party that is openly and with great glee talking about how to change the rules so that they can win the Presidency while getting a minority of votes. Hell, it worked for them in the House.

We have the former mayor of a major city preaching eugenics (http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017100460).

We have elected officials claiming a fetus is an organ, and a state forbidding teachers from marking down students who insist that humans coexisted with dinosaurs.

And nobody except a few reporters on cable-only channels ever even try and call out the lies. I am actually glad that I probably won't be around in 25 years and I am scared to death for my grandkids and the kind of world they will inherit.

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Response to Stonepounder (Reply #21)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 01:38 PM

25. This.

Welcome to DU!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:53 PM

22. Hey GOP. Sequester: You Built That.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:54 PM

23. k and r

nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 02:05 PM

26. Thomas has the final vote as

House 269 ayes (174 Rep, 95 Dem), 161 nays (66 Rep, 95 Dem)

Senate 74 ayes (27 Rep, 47 Dem), 26 nays (19 Rep, 6 Dem, and Bernie)

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:SN00365:@@@X


Seems as if both parties are culpable ... Plus the POTUS did sign the bill...

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Response to Arby (Reply #26)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 04:07 PM

31. which are the correct tallies then

The OP's or your kink?

-p

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Response to Phlem (Reply #31)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 04:56 PM

34. I almosted posted the picture to Facebook a few days ago.

But it didn't add up. (There are 435 members in the House, right? I mean, yeah, you need 218 votes to pass something, but there were definitely some Democrats who voted for it, too.)

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 02:30 PM

29. Someone needs to tell the media.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 02:33 PM

30. Wiki page is incorrect in their vote totals.

Maybe someone that knows how to fix that could do so.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_Control_Act_of_2011

Maybe I'm just looking at the wrong thing.

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Response to cry baby (Reply #30)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 04:57 PM

35. No they're not. See post 33.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 04:52 PM

33. I get why you posted this, but its not really true.

The House passed S. 627, the Budget Control Act of 2011 by a 218-210 margin, with no Democratic support at the end of July. That bill, which contained a balanced budget requirement (and thus was anathema to Democrats) went to the Senate and died. It didn't become law. And the reason no Democrat voted for it wasn't the sequester, it was the balanced budget provision.

So, everyone went back to work and a revised bill (S.365), without the balanced budget language, was passed by the House on August 1st. That bill had the sequester language in it. And it passed by a vote of 269 to 161 with 95 Democrats voting aye (and an equal number voting nay). I vividly remember the House erupting in cheers when Gabby Giffords entered the chamber for the first time since being shot in order to cast her vote for the bill. The bill then was passed by a 74-26 margin in the Senate and became law. In the Senate, 46 Democrats and 28 Republicans voted aye and 19 Republicans and 7 Democrats voting nay.

Again, I get what the OP is trying to do, but people shouldn't be fooled into taking it too literally.

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Response to onenote (Reply #33)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 10:56 PM

41. Ok...that explains it...thank you. nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 06:34 PM

37. Can you imagine if Pelosi cried even once during her stretch in the same position? She would have

been tar-and-feathered.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 06:35 PM

38. Steele was saying to Tweety that democrats voted for seq.

 

but he wouldn't name names.

the lies just keep on coming. That is there total strategy - lie. and lie more.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #38)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 12:22 PM

43. The Democrats did vote for the sequester.

Both sides did. Its neither a "repub" sequester or a Democratic sequester. It is and was a bi-partisan sequester.

As explained in other posts, the bill cited in the OP that did not get any Democratic votes was a version that included a balanced budget provision that was a deal breaker for the Demcorats. That bill passed the House with only repub votes, but died. The law that created the sequester was a different bill that dropped the balanced budget language and passed with the support of 95 Democrats in the House and 46 Democrats in the Senate. Neither chamber could muster a majority without votes from both parties.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 08:39 PM

39. Will History Label Boner as the

WORST SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE, EVER?

Thanks kpete

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 07:31 AM

42. How do I post this to Facebook for my extreme right friends?

I am on a Facebook page for people who graduated from high school with me. There are many extremists among them and they often post hateful things about Obama. I want to send this along right quick. Can anyone tell me how? Thanks.

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Response to kathysart_decoration (Reply #42)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 12:23 PM

44. Given that its a reference to a bill that didn't end up becoming law

and that Democrats did vote in substantial numbers for the sequester legislation that did pass, I'd think twice about posting it on your FB page unless you're prepared to address those facts.

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Response to kathysart_decoration (Reply #42)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 09:12 PM

45. Copy/Paste the link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022407557
right click on above link. Paste on the appropriate discussion thread in facebook. It's how I do it, maybe younger computer whiz'ezzz know a better way...

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