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Thu Feb 21, 2013, 08:42 AM

Koch Brothers Want to Know Why Their Money Was Wasted

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Koch Brothers Want to Know Why Their Money Was Wasted

Elspeth Reeve
Feb 20, 2013


The massive amount of outside political spending unleashed by Citizens United did not, as feared, make it easier for rich people to buy an election. Instead, it showed that rich people are pretty dumb about politics. Take the billionaire businessmen Charles and David Koch who are spending their 2013 figuring out why the money they spent in 2012 was such a waste. They have already fired most of their 100 staffers at Americans for Prosperity, and they're now conducting an audit.

Like American Crossroads and the Republican National Committee, the Koch brothers are trying to figure out why they couldn't beat President Obama -- and several Democratic Senate candidates in red states. The Kochs have delayed their twice-a-year meetings with big conservative donors until they've finished their audit, Politico's Kenneth P. Vogel reports. The results of the audit will be presented at an April seminar, Vogel writes, adding, "Early indications suggest that they'll continue playing in politics but will tweak their approach to reflect 2012 lessons."

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In December, The National Review posted the email Charles Koch sent to his "inner circle" explaining the postponed annual seminar:

Despite November’s disappointing election results, I am convinced that America’s long-term decline is far from a foregone conclusion. Our goal of advancing a free and prosperous America is even more difficult than we envisioned, but it is essential that we continue, rather than abandon, this struggle.

We are working hard to understand the election results, and based on that analysis, to re-examine our vision and the strategies and capabilities required for success. Although some of the needed changes are already evident, it will be several months before the state data necessary to complete this analysis is available.


Vogel reports one result of that reexamination is the creation of a new secret money group, Association for American Innovation, and they're keeping a Latino-outreach group called Libre Initiative. This is the GOP's current internal debate in a nutshell: Do we need to change our ideas? Or just the packaging? Given Marco Rubio's State of the Union response restating Mitt Romney's platform, it seems both the party and the Kochs are leaning toward the latter.

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babylonsister Feb 2013 OP
FSogol Feb 2013 #1
Berlum Feb 2013 #14
sir pball Feb 2013 #21
pepperbear Feb 2013 #2
randr Feb 2013 #3
City Lights Feb 2013 #4
PA Democrat Feb 2013 #5
OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #6
Ikonoklast Feb 2013 #25
lunatica Feb 2013 #7
HughBeaumont Feb 2013 #8
BeyondGeography Feb 2013 #9
KharmaTrain Feb 2013 #10
Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #11
Frustratedlady Feb 2013 #12
Javaman Feb 2013 #13
midnight Feb 2013 #15
riqster Feb 2013 #16
lonestarnot Feb 2013 #17
Ganja Ninja Feb 2013 #18
La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2013 #19
reformist2 Feb 2013 #20
Rex Feb 2013 #22
Arugula Latte Feb 2013 #23
Initech Feb 2013 #24
Cleita Feb 2013 #27
Cleita Feb 2013 #26
Lint Head Feb 2013 #28
Bake Feb 2013 #29
Hestia Feb 2013 #30
Cha Feb 2013 #31

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 08:45 AM

1. Wouldn't it be cheaper if they just paid their fair share of taxes?

They are total asshats.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 09:22 AM

14. + 1

nt

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Response to FSogol (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 11:08 AM

21. It's not about taxes

Yeah, it would be cheaper to just pay the taxes in the short term - but the taxes aren't the point. They want to be able to pay $1.50 an hour and not have all those expensive FDA/EPA/OSHA/USDA/ADA/etc. regulations. The "savings" there would utterly dwarf the taxes (which they perfectly legally already avoid).

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 08:45 AM

2. they threw away 300 million dollars and still they're rich, and complaining that they don't own the

world yet.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 08:50 AM

3. Some one should tell them

Wealth and success, along with a large inheritance, do not equate to intelligence.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 08:52 AM

4. The gop will keep their rotten ideas and just repackage them.

I guarantee.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 08:54 AM

5. This is the type of entitlement that needs to be slashed.....

the sense of entitlement of the super-wealthy who think they are entitled to control everything and everyone.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 08:55 AM

6. I think they should sue Rove for $300 million for falsely claiming to be a political guru. nt.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:34 PM

25. No no no! Rove is a Genius! Ixnay on the awsuitlay!

They should give Rove $600,000,000.00 for the next round of elections!

He just needed a liiiitle bit more money to get over the top!


C'mon, guys, dig deep, 'Ol Rove will pull a winner out of his hat if you do!









I fugure they'll be dead, broke, or both in three more elections.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 08:56 AM

7. They're the ones who wasted their money

But it doesn't surprise me a bit that they're blaming others.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 08:57 AM

8. Uh, Guys . . . . .?

Get up close, because I need to whisper something. Come on, come up . . . good. Can you hear me?

"Give everything to the wealthy" is not an economic plan, it's Dr. Reagan's SNAKE OIL and no one's buying it! THAT'S why you LOST, ASSHOLES!!!

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 08:57 AM

9. Must have something to do with what they stand for

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 08:59 AM

10. Repackaged Shit Still Smell...

Welcome to the latest round in the rushpublican circular firing squad...the blame game. The Kochs threw a lot of money around last year with little return and now are gonna spend more money to find out ways to waste more money. As long as they lose, that's fine with me, but they're still a very big threat to our democracy and need to be monitored closely...and that's the crux of their problem.

They became an issue in the past election and I expect their names will rise again in the statewide elections of 2014. Alec has been exposed and their motives have been exposed. But that's not their big problem. It's thinking they could pour tons of money in an "air war"...non-stop teevee commercials without much of a ground game. They also backed piss pour candidates that were exposed as being puppets. Ya see...I just saved 'em a lot of bucks...but my hopes are they ignore me and continue to make the same mistakes.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 09:00 AM

11. "I am convinced that America’s long-term decline..."

You mean the decline that you two clowns and your buddies have engineered over the past 3 decades?

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 09:18 AM

12. Well, one thing they haven't learned...

they are still creating SECRET money groups. If people are SO sure which party/candidates they want to support, why do they hide it? Why do the Kochs work behind curtains?

I'd say it's too late for anything the Kochs do. I spend extra time checking labels to make sure I'm not putting one penny into the Kochs' pockets when shopping and the majority of Americans are onto them and their rotten schemes. We ain't buyin', boys. Go ahead and throw your money into our political games, but when most people find out a candidate's race is tainted with Koch money, that race is dead in the water.

Now, wipe those stupid grins off your faces and go back into your lair. You're a little old to just now be learning that evil never wins, just aggravates.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 09:21 AM

13. koch brothers conduct their very own reign of terror due to their own stupidty.

"don't blame us! blame someone else!"

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 09:28 AM

15. Here in Wisconsin the Koch boys are making a killing....

After winning multiple elections here and taking back our State legislature from the Dems.. They are poised to buy a judicial seat this spring, purchase our utilities, and drain our states retirement accounts.... But with these folks, their is no pleasing them....

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 09:35 AM

16. Myth busters proved that you CAN polish a turd

However, the polished turd still looked like, well, shit.

The Koch Ness Monsters must have missed that episode.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 09:45 AM

17. The only thing that would change them and their greed is their leaving the planet and don't they

have evil spawn?

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 10:20 AM

18. Dear Chuck & Dave

You got greedy and you got burned by a bunch of other greedy like minded assholes.

And by the way, How dare you complain that you didn't get your money's worth in attempting to buy our elected government. You're lucky we can't string both of your sorry spoiled asses up from a lamp post.

In conclusion, Fuck Off and Die!

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 10:21 AM

19. wouldn't it just be easier to pay taxes?

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 10:22 AM

20. They ought to look in the mirror.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 11:58 AM

22. To bad they didn't lose all their money.

I hate plutarchs.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:05 PM

23. The thing is, this stuff does tend to work on the smaller scale.

Look at the takeovers and power grabs by rightwing idiots in Wisconsin and Michigan, for example.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:19 PM

24. You can't buy elections with candidates nobody likes.

And why haven't we overturned Citizens United and arrested them for treason yet??

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Response to Initech (Reply #24)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:36 PM

27. Good question and one the Attorney General should answer. n/t

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:35 PM

26. That deserves a song of despair on my tiny violin.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:59 PM

28. I want to hear some whistle blowers! Please. Some of these fired people need to spill the beans on

the Crooked Brothers. Some of these ambush reporters need to stake them out and ask questions. A book publisher needs to ask one to write a book. Democracy Now should find some of them and question them.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 01:28 PM

29. Because their TWO opinions, no matter how much money they threw at the election

Didn't matter as much as the FIVE MILLION MORE AMERICANS who voted for the President than voted for their water-carrier Rmoney!

Suck it, Kochs. Suck it long and hard.

Bake

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 02:01 PM

30. They may have lost national but they sure cleaned up in state elections.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 03:55 PM

31. Maybe 'cause they're Villians out of a George Orwell

novel of the future? Worse than Orwell could have imagined?

MANY THANKS AGAIN TO PRESIDENT OBAMA AND HIS INTREPID TEAM FOR HOLDING BACK THE PLUTOCRATS!

Oh please do repackage the Mildewed, Rotten, Science Project at the back of your fridge, kochs.

babylonsistah

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