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Wed Feb 20, 2013, 09:42 PM

The Most CONSERVATIVE Argument In My Lifetime Has Been...

"Well... if you're not doing anything wrong, why would you care what the government does with your privacy?"

NOT THE FUCKING POINT !!!


And it is amazing, that at this time, in this place...

We get these arguments here...

The nation, and many in the Democratic Party, have moved so far right that...

The Bill of Rights, and the Constitution, are now Leftist Manifestos.

OTOH... In a way, they always were.

That's why I still try to defend and protect them in my own little way.


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WillyT Feb 2013 OP
BarbaRosa Feb 2013 #1
Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #3
forestpath Feb 2013 #2
Lint Head Feb 2013 #4
John1956PA Feb 2013 #5
awoke_in_2003 Feb 2013 #6
WillyT Feb 2013 #7
awoke_in_2003 Feb 2013 #8
progressoid Feb 2013 #9

Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 09:45 PM

1. And yet so many of them

are arming themselves to the eyeballs to resist a tyrannical government.

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Response to BarbaRosa (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 09:53 PM

3. +1,663

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 09:48 PM

2. K&R

 

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 09:56 PM

4. Me too. Vigilance is the price of freedom.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 10:07 PM

5. Without the Fourth Amendment, a corrupt officer could enter my home and plant evidence.

Maybe the officer wants to even the score with me regarding a personal matter. Without the Fourth Amendment, he could plant evidence when he enters my home and say, "See! I suspected this fellow was a criminal. It's a good thing I acted on my suspicions."

The same thing goes for wiretapping. A corrupt officer could tap my line, conjure up a faked recording of me (it is not impossible to do so in this digital age) and say, "See! I suspected this fellow was plotting a crime. It's a good thing that I acted on my suspicions."

The Fourth Amendment is an aid in protecting all of us law-abiding citizens against potential corruption on the part of authorities. I want to make it clear that I do not believe that there exist many corrupt officers who are willing to plant evidence. However, the due-process hurdle that the Fourth Amendment presents with regard to the procurement of search warrants helps to assure that there will not be an increase in the number of whatever few corrupt officers may exist.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 10:45 PM

6. The Patriot act was wrong...

when Bush signed it into law. It was still wrong when Obama signed the renewal.

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #6)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 10:50 PM

7. Exactly... And The Full Blown Cynicism Of Calling It The... "Patriot" Act...

How could ANYONE be against something called the Patriot Act ?








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Response to WillyT (Reply #7)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 10:54 PM

8. They control the vocabulary...

it grates my nerve to hear Improvised Explosive Devices. That and "grow the economy" and "the optics". It is like they are trying to take thinking out of the talking and hearing, kind of like Ingsoc.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 01:26 AM

9. I've read that bullshit argument here on DU.

"They can read my emails" or "if you don't have anything to hide..."



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