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Wed Feb 20, 2013, 12:20 PM

Kerry: Our Generation Could Be Remembered For Failure To Act On Climate Change

Kerry: Our Generation Could Be Remembered For Failure To Act On Climate Change

Secretary of State John Kerry on Wednesday called for action to combat climate change and spur the American economy by investing in clean energy technologies.

"We share nothing so completely as our planet," Kerry said in his first major speech since becoming secretary of state delivered at the University of Virginia. "If we waste this opportunity, it may be the only thing our generation - generations - are remembered for."

"When we work with others to develop and deploy clean technologies," Kerry said, "we know we are helping create new markets and opportunities for america's second to none innovators and entrepreneurs so that we can succeed in the next great revolution in our marketplace."

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/kerry-our-generation-could-be-remembered-for-failure


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Reply Kerry: Our Generation Could Be Remembered For Failure To Act On Climate Change (Original post)
ProSense Feb 2013 OP
villager Feb 2013 #1
YvonneCa Feb 2013 #10
karynnj Feb 2013 #37
villager Feb 2013 #47
karynnj Feb 2013 #48
newfie11 Feb 2013 #2
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #3
Berlum Feb 2013 #4
leftyohiolib Feb 2013 #5
Mass Feb 2013 #6
leftyohiolib Feb 2013 #12
ProSense Feb 2013 #13
leftyohiolib Feb 2013 #23
karynnj Feb 2013 #39
Mass Feb 2013 #15
leftyohiolib Feb 2013 #26
YvonneCa Feb 2013 #17
YvonneCa Feb 2013 #14
dreamnightwind Feb 2013 #31
ProSense Feb 2013 #11
leftyohiolib Feb 2013 #19
karynnj Feb 2013 #40
Avalux Feb 2013 #7
YvonneCa Feb 2013 #16
Avalux Feb 2013 #18
YvonneCa Feb 2013 #20
Yavin4 Feb 2013 #8
YvonneCa Feb 2013 #9
Mass Feb 2013 #21
YvonneCa Feb 2013 #24
blm Feb 2013 #22
AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #28
blm Feb 2013 #30
AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #42
blm Feb 2013 #43
AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #44
blm Feb 2013 #45
AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #46
blm Feb 2013 #49
AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #50
blm Feb 2013 #51
hatrack Feb 2013 #25
IDemo Feb 2013 #27
davidn3600 Feb 2013 #29
pampango Feb 2013 #35
leftyohiolib Feb 2013 #32
ProSense Feb 2013 #33
leftyohiolib Feb 2013 #34
ProSense Feb 2013 #36
Gorp Feb 2013 #38
Starboard Tack Feb 2013 #41

Response to ProSense (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 12:21 PM

1. "Could?"


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Response to villager (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 01:02 PM

10. He's a diplomat...

...remember?

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Response to villager (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 03:57 PM

37. It would be presumptive to say "will" - here he says "could" then makes a strong case for it.

Why are you hung up on the semantics when it is a stronger statement than any prior Secretary of State - of either party has made. Kerry was there with Al Gore in the first hearings on global warming and even before he protested the war, he was part of Boston's first Earth Day in 1970.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #37)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 08:50 PM

47. I'm simply suggesting that, sadly, we've already "failed." And we still don't have the Keystone...

...decision yet.

But we do need to get awful goddamn busy on whatever mitigation we can muster.

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Response to villager (Reply #47)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 09:25 PM

48. Got it!

I think with Keystone, the process needs to be followed ESPECIALLY if Obama ultimately kills it. The problem is that for political reasons the Southern part was allowed to be built and for 4 years the issue has seemed to be the particular route. It almost seems that Clinton/Obama have signaled that approval will come after the route is accepted.

Ignoring that it is extremely bad to use the tar sands shale period, I wonder if it could come down to the huge potential cost of leaks - that are very highly likely to happen. One article spoke of a leak of similar material that happened a few years ago that has cost a huge amount to rectify - and it STILL is a disaster. Given the expected value of that cost for the entire pipeline - ( a very large cost) times (an estimate of the likely number of leaks), I wonder if the project could be scuttled by demanding that the companies need to pay for insurance for that estimate. It would be prohibitive - but that reflects the true cost of the project and that cost should not be born by the US and the unfortunate areas that become affected.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 12:22 PM

2. No freaking shit

Without a doubt!

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 12:24 PM

3. Will...

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 12:29 PM

4. Does that mean he will shitcan the Keystone klusterf*ck?

...as he ought?

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 12:49 PM

5. no john kerry it wont be a blanket "our" generation it'll be YOU and your collegues. we didnt allow

 

keystone , congress didi we didnt vote against better mpg congress did we didnt ignore the warnings from the environment congress did and you are part of that so YOU (along with the reast of congress) will be remembered as contributing to or failing to stop this disaster

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Response to leftyohiolib (Reply #5)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 12:53 PM

6. Actually, we did. Had people called their congresspeople and cared about the issues, may be we would

have them do something. But most Americans could not care less, even on DU. Stop being blind: our congress reflects us.

If anything, people like Gore, Kerry, Boxer, Sanders,Udall, Whitehouse... (sorry for whom I miss) have been leaders on this issue. But it takes at least 50 people to pass a law (in the good days).

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Response to Mass (Reply #6)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 01:03 PM

12. congress critters listen to the people who pay them - you think that people havent been calling?

 

congress didnt need people to call the to tell them the climate is getting unhinged but they still voted down tougher epa mpg why? because the people that pay them said to do that.
congress didnt need phone calls to tell them keystone xl was and is a bad idea but they're gonna do it anyway why? because the people that pay them want it.
congress doesnt need phone calls to tell them it's time to get off fossil fuels but they dont and you know why
you dont think people have been calling about those issues?

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Response to leftyohiolib (Reply #12)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 01:05 PM

13. At this point,

"congress critters listen to the people who pay them - you think that people havent been calling?"

...you're just spouting nonsense, as you clearly have no idea about Kerry's record on the issue.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #13)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 01:19 PM

23. i know kerry is against it but kerry doesnt run the government and i didnt say any blame will be all

 

his to bare. im saying dont blame "our generation" as if we ALL ignored this problem when not all of us had the power to do anything about it.

"congress critters listen to the people who pay them - you think that people havent been calling?"
that's not non-sense , people have been calling about the climate changing, and all efforts are being resisted and watered down by congress not our generation

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Response to leftyohiolib (Reply #23)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 04:06 PM

39. You're being simplistic if you ascribe it to the Congress critters being bought

In 2010, when a huge effort was made to craft something that would at least start to improve the situation, there were I think 14 Democratic Senators from "coal states" who wrote a letter that made it clear they would not vote for anything that made their energy costs higher. Many of your favorites likely signed this - including DU hero Al Franken.

The reason was not that they didn't believe in climate change or that they were bought, they were responding to THEIR constituents concerned about their state's economy and jobs. (This in fact was why Kerry's proposal was so much more complicated than some of the simpler ideas favored by the left media - it included ways that states and people - through no fault of their own - who used the dirtiest energy were given help in bearing the costs of switching.)

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Response to leftyohiolib (Reply #12)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 01:06 PM

15. Actually, plenty of people do not know Keystone is bad and think this will be jobs.

If you are not able to know that, live in your little bubble.

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Response to Mass (Reply #15)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 01:24 PM

26. that's kind of my point why do people still think this way about it -

 

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Response to leftyohiolib (Reply #12)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 01:09 PM

17. Tell that to Inhofe and the rest of the 'flat earthers' in...

...Congress. Kerry has never been one of them.

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Response to Mass (Reply #6)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 01:05 PM

14. Thanks for this, Mass. I really wish people paid better attention. We got GWB for...

...eight years because so many people were 'sleeping.' Kerry has been an advocate for addressing climate change forever...how can people not know this?

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Response to Mass (Reply #6)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 02:06 PM

31. Not so much, unfortunately

"Stop being blind: our congress reflects us."

There are many issues where public polling shows one position, yet "our" representatives do the opposite. Congress and, more generally, all elected officials, mostly do the bidding of their corporate donors, and give lip service to the people's demands at election time.

Kerry is one of the better ones, I'm glad to see him make this statement. And sure there are many people who conveniently ignore climate change so they don't have to come to terms with it. But the larger point, I believe, is that the citizens of this planet are much more concerned about climate change than the corporations who are backing our political leadership, and it's the corporate interests which are largely driving climate policy.

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Response to leftyohiolib (Reply #5)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 01:02 PM

11. Actually

"no john kerry it wont be a blanket "our" generation it'll be YOU and your collegues."

...Kerry voted against approval of the pipeline, and he has also been one of the strongest advocates for action on climate change. He also pushed comprehensive legislation to address the issue during President Obama's first term.

Kerry-Boxer clean energy bill: Chairman’s mark and EPA analysis released
http://www.grist.org/article/2009-10-23-kerry-boxer-clean-energy-bill-chairmans-mark-and-epa-analysis

Boxer Statement on Committee Passage of S. 1733 – The Clean Energy Jobs and American Power Act
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Majority.PressReleases&ContentRecord_id=c512ac4d-802a-23ad-4884-2b95a8405efe

Confirmation Of Climate Hawk Kerry As Secretary Of State May Doom Dirty Keystone XL Pipeline
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/01/29/1513521/confirmation-of-climate-hawk-kerry-as-secretary-of-state-death-blow-dirty-keystone-xl-pipeline/

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Response to ProSense (Reply #11)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 01:10 PM

19. right so he will be seen as trying to but failing to stop it

 

my point is he cant lump us all into the failiure to stop this global disaster when we didnt have the power to. that be falls on congress they could have been working on this since carter but they didnt, and they still are not.

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Response to leftyohiolib (Reply #19)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 04:14 PM

40. I suspect that he is trying to get people to make this a voting issue forcing Congress to do it

He has - at least since 2005 - especially when speaking to young people, spoken of how in the early 1970s, the people with Earth Day and targeting a dozen Congress critters as the dirty dozen made the Congress get serious on the issue leading to the Clean air act, the clean water act and the beginning of the EPA.

I think any sensible politician would know that he/she has more say - and thus more responsibility to do what is right. However, Kerry has spoken out on this and he worked hard to craft something that could get 60 votes. This was harder than on other issues where all or almost all the Democrats could be counted on. In the end, the Republicans who had agreed publicly broke away due to what they called broken promises on other issues - sound familiar? Here, he is making a very high profile argument for it --- and he seems to have influenced Obama who has not been all that strong on this.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 12:55 PM

7. It's worse than that. Boomers will end life as we know it.

They will be responsible for fucking up the planet beyond recognition and perhaps even the extinction of the human race. Nice going, "me" generation.

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Response to Avalux (Reply #7)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 01:06 PM

16. As a boomer who didn't...

...'this hurts my feelings. '(To quote Hillary)

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Response to YvonneCa (Reply #16)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 01:09 PM

18. I know....sorry for the blanket statement.

Of course there are those who aren't part of it. Just makes me angry...the selfishness.

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Response to Avalux (Reply #18)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 01:11 PM

20. It makes me angry, too. Thanks for...

...the apology. I really appreciated it.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 12:55 PM

8. Kerry Shouldn't Worry. No One Will Be Around to Remember.

Unless they can breathe under water.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 01:00 PM

9. I hope people will at least see the speech before...

...posting negatively. What's with all the negativity in this thread? CSpan says it will replay at 8EST/5PST if you haven't watched.

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Response to YvonneCa (Reply #9)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 01:13 PM

21. Interestingly, the word people object to does not seem to be in the speech, but the title TPM gave.

Here is what he actually said. according to the Hill

http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/e2-wire/284017-kerry-comes-out-swinging-on-climate-change

If we waste this opportunity, it may be the only thing our generation – generations – are remembered for. We need to find the courage to leave a far different legacy,” Kerry said in a wide-ranging address at the University of Virginia.
...
“We need to commit ourselves to doing the smart thing and the right thing and to truly take on this challenge, because of we don’t rise to meet it, then rising temperatures and rising sea levels will surely lead to rising costs down the road. Ask any insurance company,” he said.

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Response to Mass (Reply #21)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 01:21 PM

24. He DID address climate change, but only as a part of our foreign policy...

...strategy. He made the case for the US leading in an interdependent world...in business, education, energy, getting our economic house in order, climate change and our VALUES as Americans. Not new to anyone who has listened to JK over time. Evidently new to TPM.

He spoke a lot about what Americans value and how those values drive what we should do around the world. It seems the media...again...only listened to what they wanted to hear. Surprise, surprise...



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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 01:17 PM

22. If you sign Hillary Clinton's Keystone deal, JK, you'll be siding with those who 'failed to act'

on climate change. We get that she stuck you with the deal she made to protect her own political future, but, please don't sign it.

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Response to blm (Reply #22)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 01:49 PM

28. Hillary did not create policy, Obama did

She acted on behalf of her boss, the president.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #28)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 01:56 PM

30. Keystone deal completely conducted by State Dept. for 4 years.

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Response to blm (Reply #30)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 05:03 PM

42. And the state dept carries out the policies of the president

The sec of state is not a rogue position. They are the right hand of the president.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #42)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 05:19 PM

43. Right - so the most influential SoS ever had no influence on the decision or the deal.

Clinton camp needs to get their stories straight. Most powerful, independent and influential Sec of State ever or a pawn?

HRC was ready to sign it 4 years ago because she and Bill supported it from the get go, with or without a President Obama. She LEFT the deal SHE made unsigned for HER political survival.

http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/e2-wire/186969-clinton-keystone-pipeline-review-is-fair

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Response to blm (Reply #43)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 05:36 PM

44. The SoS is not a rogue position

The SoS does the bidding of the president. Nothing you say changes that fact. The president wanted the pipeline, and gave her instructions to carry out, and she carried them out.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #44)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 05:58 PM

45. The president wanted earlier exit from Afghanistan, but HRC, McChrystal and Gates urged him to stay

and to further EXPAND the military's presence there.

Biden and Kerry sided with getting out sooner and shrinking our footprint there.

Gee - Hillary won that one, too.

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Response to blm (Reply #45)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 08:40 PM

46. Ah, so...

Hillary does all of Obama's thinking for him? You talk as if Obama is Hillary's puppet? Ok, whatever you say.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #46)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 09:22 AM

49. Nope - but don't be naive about what type of influence she DID wield when it was IN her power

to do the wielding.

SHE is the one who took the meetings and reported back on those meetings. SHE is the one who had impact 'studies' taken by firms favorable to Keystone that would report back TO the president. She and Bill knew exactly how to make those type of deals long before Obama even stepped foot in the Oval Office.

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Response to blm (Reply #49)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:51 PM

50. So

Obama is a mindless puppet controlled by Hillary Clinton.

Why do I not believe a word you say?

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #50)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 02:40 PM

51. No one saying that but you as a distraction from the FACT that State Dept was charged

with assessing and reviewing Keystone and the hiring of the firms to do the reviews And the fact that Hillary was for the deal 4 years ago, and tapped firms FRIENDLY to Keystone deal and her as the evaluators. After 4 years what did State Dept decide?

We'll see.

Here's hoping Kerry prevails this time.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 01:22 PM

25. And not to toot my own thread, but you seriously need to link to this in E&E:

The photograph below is of methane bubbles frozen in Arctic ice, temporarily stopped in their ascent into the atmosphere.

More at: http://www.democraticunderground.com/112736783

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Response to hatrack (Reply #25)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 01:40 PM

27. The methane in itself is what makes me think we're too late

A positive feedback/greenhouse effect won't be possible to reverse within any realistic timeframe.

And to add - No, I don't expect everyone to simply jump off a rooftop.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 01:50 PM

29. The bigger problem in the future is going to be China

They have already surpassed us in greenhouse gas production.

Polution levels in China and Russia are many, many times worse than anywhere in the United States. And trying to get the Russians or Chinese to do anything on this front is like talking to a brick wall.

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #29)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 03:10 PM

35. Certainly true, but China has 4 times the US population. Per capita an American produces 3 times

the greenhouse gases that a Chinese produces. The US never joined the Kyoto Treaty. We are still a large part of the problem.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 02:50 PM

32. oh and while we're talking about kerry being a threat to xl ..

 

The CEO of the company seeking to build the Keystone XL pipeline doesn’t appear to view Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.), a longtime advocate of battling climate change, as a threat to the project if he becomes secretary of State.

The State Department is leading the federal review of the proposed pipeline to bring Canadian oil sands to Gulf Coast refineries, although President Obama has indicated that he will ultimately be the decider.

TransCanada Corp. CEO Russ Girling tells Reuters that the project's standing should not change if Kerry becomes Obama’s next top diplomat, despite the Bay State Democrat's strong support for cutting carbon emissions. From the news service's story:

But it is not clear if Kerry would inherit the review

http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/e2-wire/273443-transcanada-ceo-says-kerry-pick-shouldnt-change-keystone-review



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Response to leftyohiolib (Reply #32)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 03:02 PM

33. LOL!

OK, that guy's opinion from December decides it. Everyone has an opinion.

Bobby Kennedy, Jr. says Obama will kill Keystone XL Pipeline:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11027827

Oh, things have changed since that Hill article you posted.

Keystone XL pipeline decision delayed until at least June
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022304088


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Response to ProSense (Reply #33)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 03:07 PM

34. that is good news - we will see. you have more faith in our reps than i do

 

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Response to leftyohiolib (Reply #34)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 03:29 PM

36. No, they

"you have more faith in our reps than i do"

...have to be pushed, and there is a lot of money lobbying for the project.

Supporters Of Keystone XL Outspend Opponents 35 To 1
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/02/20/1614831/lobbying-budgets-of-keystone-xl-opponents-exceeded-that-of-supporters-by-more-than-35-to-1/

This should be a decision based on science, not bogus job creation claims.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 04:04 PM

38. Our generation won't be remembered if all if there's no climate to support future ones.

 

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 04:18 PM

41. If there is anyone left to remember, that is.

Kerry could yet prove to be a major game changer. It's a good start.

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