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Wed Feb 20, 2013, 09:51 AM

Americans will blame GOP for sequester

The Morning Plum: Americans will blame GOP for sequester

Posted by Greg Sargent

With the sequester all but certain to hit next week, both parties are laying the groundwork to win the political battle that will unfold once the American people begin to feel the effects of the spending cuts it will inflict. Today John Boehner takes to the pages of the Wall Street Journal to argue that the sequester is all Obama’s fault. Boehner argues that the politics of the sequester favor Republicans:

The president has repeatedly called for even more tax revenue, but the American people don’t support trading spending cuts for higher taxes. They understand that the tax debate is now closed. <...>

So, as the president’s outrage about the sequester grows in coming days, Republicans have a simple response: Mr. President, we agree that your sequester is bad policy. What spending are you willing to cut to replace it?

As a substantive matter, if John Boehner really believes we can achieve substantial deficit reduction with spending cuts alone, then perhaps he should go ahead and name the specific spending cuts Republicans would support that would accomplish this. That aside, I continue to be perplexed by the apparent belief among Republicans that they will be able to shift the blame for the sequester entirely to Obama. Boehner’s claim that the American people “don’t support trading spending cuts for higher taxes” is highly dishonest: in reality, we’re talking about closing loopholes and deductions enjoyed by the rich and corporations; and the American people oppose bringing down the deficit only through cuts to specific programs. The American people know who stands for a deeply unbalanced approach, and who favors a more judicious balance.

Indeed, majorities of the American people take a dim view of the Congressional GOP’s policy priorities. A recent Post poll found that 55 percent of Americans — including 55 percent of independents and 64 percent of moderates — have an unfavorable view of the policies Congressional Republicans will pursue over the next four years. This is not a political atmosphere in which Republicans can count on escaping blame if and when Washington shenanigans damage the economy. Obama just decisively won an election that turned heavily on public perceptions of which party is really on the side of working Americans, and which is really on the side of the wealthy. Polls have shown majorities see Republicans as the uncompromising party in Washington. So the public is likely to be inclined to blame them — at least in part — for the continued standoff, without paying close attention to the details. Put simply, Republicans have more to lose politically than the reelected Obama does.

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ProSense Feb 2013 OP
onehandle Feb 2013 #1
JayhawkSD Feb 2013 #2
JDPriestly Feb 2013 #6
John2 Feb 2013 #8
Imperialism Inc. Feb 2013 #9
daybranch Feb 2013 #10
AndyA Feb 2013 #13
Texin Feb 2013 #3
johnlucas Feb 2013 #12
louis-t Feb 2013 #4
siligut Feb 2013 #5
DhhD Feb 2013 #7
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2013 #11
John2 Feb 2013 #14

Response to ProSense (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 10:03 AM

1. The GOP's America is less than 15% of the population...

...and dropping, as they die of old age, staring at Fox News.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 10:49 AM

2. I continue to be perplexed by this argument.

I voted for Obama and am a populist to the core. I think the "small government" argument is sheer idiocy. But some logic needs to prevail in political discourse.

"As a substantive matter, if John Boehner really believes we can achieve substantial deficit reduction with spending cuts alone,"

Does no one remember the tax increases that occurred in January? There was an increase on the rich in income taxes and an increase on the middle class when the payroll tax cut was dropped. That was part of a two-part deal; the "balanced approach" between revenue and spending cuts. Spending cuts could not be agreed upon at the time, so Boehner agreed that spending cuts could be deferred in order to get the tax issue accomplished at the first of the year.

Now liberals are all saying that Boehner will not permit tax increases and wants to "reduce the deficit by spending cuts alone." Those tax increases were only six weeks ago.

The "sequester" itself was part of a three-part deal; an increase in the debt cap, revenue increases, and spending cuts. Obama signed off on that deal, and the spending cuts in the "sequester" were very specific at the time. Obama got the debt cap. He got the revenue the first of this year. He got the "sequester" postponed twice, and now we all insist that it should not be imposed at all.

Why do we make a deal and then, having gotten the part of the deal that benefits us, claim that the part the is bad for us is wrong and should not be done? Let's say my neighbor and I agree to mow each other's lawns. After he mows mine, am I not obligated to mow his? Or can I say that mowing his is hard work and tiring and I'm just not going to do it?

I don't like the sequester either, but that's what we agreed to. I thought at the time that it was not a smart deal. I recognized that we were counting on the other side "blinking." We thought that when it came time to do it that the other side would back down. Well, we guessed wrong. We bluffed and they called our bluff. But that's our bad. We made the deal and now we're trying to blame them for it.

When you bluf and your bluff is called you lose.

Now we're saying we want a "balanced deal" between revenue and spending cuts. The tax cuts in January were not balanced. It was revenue increase and the spending cuts were deferred, and when it comes time to deal with the deferred spending cuts we renew the "balanced deal" approach. You have to be kidding me.

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Response to JayhawkSD (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 04:09 PM

6. We ran up big debts thanks to the wars in Iraq

and Afghanistan, the tax cuts for the rich and the crash caused by the Bush administration's failure to enforce banking and securities regulations.

We need to do what we did after WWII when we owed a lot, a lot, a lot of money, and that is, tax the upper 1% very, very heavily.

The rest of us don't have any money to spare. Even Walmart sales were down this month. When that happens, you can't cut the middle, working class any more.

It's like sales. You can't sell a brand new Ferrari to someone who is homeless. You have to target your market. So, the tax collector needs to target the rich.

It isn't nice. You can argue about fairness and win or lose either way. But, the reality is that you can't squeeze blood out of a turnip or tax revenue out of the poor. You have to turn to the rich. Sorry. But that's the only answer to our predicament. As you point out, if spending could be cut without ruining the economy and starving our citizens and communities, we would already be doing it.

Schwarzenegger was elected in California on the promise to "cut the fat" out of our budget. He couldn't find the fat. There probably wasn't enough to solve the budget problem. He put the borrow, borrow band-aid on. Now the voters decided to impose taxes on themselves in the form of sales taxes and raise the income taxes of the rich. We are making good progress toward solvency after Republican administrations set us back for decades.

God bless Jerry Brown. He is a man with some courage. He has made cuts but he is seriously raising taxes (with the consent of the voters) so that we will get on the right track.

The Republicans have refused to raise that tax revenue we have to have if we are not to crumble and fall apart.

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Response to JayhawkSD (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 10:06 PM

8. First of all,

 

I don't think an agreement was made at all on any spending cuts. Especially the ones for the sequestrian. They only signed that agreement because they couldn't agree to any spending cuts, in order to keep the Government from shutting down.

This is political gamesmanship to the core and the President has the upper hand in this fight with an extremist Republican Right wing Party. It is not a Party that is united because you got some crazy people on the other side. Those crazy people don't care anything about this country except their own Narcissus beliefs that they are better than everyone else. That Party has gone over the top and they are the biggest threat to this country now. Especially when you had thousands of them even speaking of sec cession after losing a fair election. They will stop at nothing unless they get their way. It certainly reminds me of the environment before the U.S. Civil War which was applied to a certain region.

It is plain and simple, this prior election was not about any Republican House mandate or cutting such valued programs like Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid but the media pundits, Wall Street and tea Party activists made it their agenda right after the Election, the same way they gave rise to the Tea Party. If that was what the Election was about then why did Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan pretend they were not out to cut those programs. They even pointed the finger at President Obama for cutting Medicare. They were lying then and they are lying now. Why should anybody give any credibility to that Party?

President Obama laid out a clear platform in the national election and the last time I looked, he is the only Politician that ran on a National platform. You cannot blame a President for failure if you refuse to implement the Policy he ran on or give it a chance to work. Someone should remind the extremists, the Election is over and someone was the winner.

He laid out a clear path to cut the deficit by four trillion dollars. Part of that Plan was not only to end the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy but also to eliminate those loopholes corporations and the very wealthy like Mitt Romney benefited from. So he did not get everything he wanted period, if that is your premise.

The Republicans are trying to attached the blame game to President Obama but they are having a hard time this time trying to attached it to him. Why do you think they don't want him to keep communicating with the voters but instead in some back room deal with them? It is so they can spin their lies. The Republicans don't want those sequestrian cuts just as much as President Obama. At least the sane ones don't if there is any sanity left in that Party. The sequestrian does not affect Social Security or Medicare like the Republicans want. It affects the military and jobs. It affects ordinary hard working people in some of their Districts. It affects border control for immigration. The right wing Republicans will hurt themselves more than this President. The President is letting those people know who did it to them. Just like with the Sandy Relief Aid, Some of the more sane Republicans need to break ranks with the crazies in their Party. They need to represent their constituents and not the extremist Party Bosses of their Party. The crazies may destroy the Government but guess who will get hurt the most. Keep listening to those intolerant stupid people.



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Response to JayhawkSD (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 11:11 PM

9. There has been $1.2T in spending cuts and $0.6T in new revenue which is NOT balanced.

You seem to forget that in the 2011 deal that set up the sequester there was a deal reached that was 100% spending cuts. So that is $1.2T in addition to the sequester. The argument you are making is exactly the one the GOP is making. They want to pretend the first spending cuts never happened. Please stop falling for it.

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Response to JayhawkSD (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 01:28 AM

10. Really

If you are really such a populist you would not buy the supply side economics supporting the repubs arguments. get educated. Things are not always as they seem, many here believe Obama is too centrist and certainly not a strong populist. Are you sure why you voted for Obama?

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Response to JayhawkSD (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 08:24 AM

13. The sequester is the responsibility of the GOP

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/02/20/the-powerpoint-that-proves-it-s-not-obama-s-sequester-after-all.html

And, you've conveniently forgotten the cuts that went through prior to January. The cuts far exceed the revenue, so it's not balanced.

To sacrifice America's middle class so the wealthy can keep more is not an American value.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 11:14 AM

3. It won't matter if they succeed in bringing the government infrastructure to its knees.

If they can't do it with the people's support, they'll do it in spite of them - and guess what? There won't be any consequences for them. At some point there'll be a tipping point and it won't matter that they're not in the majority. When the teabaggers are done with the political wrecking ball in Congress, there won't be anything left to salvage. The people will be so busy trying to find two nickels to rub together from the slave jobs that will be all that's left for the average person to find, they won't be able to muster enough strength or resolve to care.

I fully expect them to continue this. It serves their purposes to bankrupt the country if it means that they can undo The New Deal and The Great Society. That's been their stated purpose since the thirties. This will continue because they hold the state governments and will impose legislation that will allow them to continue on this path until the 2020 Census - assuming that they allow a census to actually be conducted (which is doubtful).

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Response to Texin (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 08:15 AM

12. LOVE this part you said Texin!

I'm going to quote your entire post & bold the best part.
The best of the best I will underline as well as bold.

If they can't do it with the people's support, they'll do it in spite of them - and guess what? There won't be any consequences for them. At some point there'll be a tipping point and it won't matter that they're not in the majority. When the teabaggers are done with the political wrecking ball in Congress, there won't be anything left to salvage. The people will be so busy trying to find two nickels to rub together from the slave jobs that will be all that's left for the average person to find, they won't be able to muster enough strength or resolve to care.

I fully expect them to continue this. It serves their purposes to bankrupt the country if it means that they can undo The New Deal and The Great Society. That's been their stated purpose since the thirties. This will continue because they hold the state governments and will impose legislation that will allow them to continue on this path until the 2020 Census - assuming that they allow a census to actually be conducted (which is doubtful).


That's the whole scenario altogether.
The faces may change, the coalitions may shift, but the core purpose remains the same.
If this country wasn't so racist, the New Deal & the Progressive Movement FDR propelled would have never been stalled.
1948 & 1964. Remember those years.
(1948 = Desegregation of Military with Executive Order 9981. 1964 = End of Jim Crow with Civil Rights Act of 1964)
The New Deal coalition fractured EVERY time the government sought to help the Blacks.

The key to making this country go forward is to drive off the bigots from control over the direction of this country.
If we don't defeat them & defeat them for good, we will never get the Progressive government we need.
The greedy rich's numbers are never that many by design so they need henchmen to fill the ranks & gain control over the government.
For nearly the past 50 years we have dealt with this current coalition of bigoted henchmen unwittingly forwarding the destructive rich's agenda. All to just get back at the Blacks & other groups the bigots don't like.

Since the 1930s the greedy rich have been trying to undo what FDR & his followers have done.
They want a return to feudalism. We're not supposed to have anything in their minds.
How did socialism become such a dirty word anyhow?
Why do we equate capitalism with America so strongly?
Why do we thus equate good with capitalism? Because we believe our country to be good & thus its economic system is good.
Talking against capitalism means talking against America but how did this mentality get so rooted?

In a way we sort of lost out when FDR put the New Deal down.
It took a lot of the fight out of these Human Rights movements.
We lost out on a much bigger prize which is the rethinking of our entire socioeconomic model & practices that come from it.
But they don't even want us to have our consolation prize!

This is a nearly 100 year old fight & we're gonna win when it's all said & done.
THEN we can get back to talking about that much bigger prize.
John Lucas

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 01:52 PM

4. Repugs can't help themselves, they will continue

the same failed ideology. 'Moths to the flame'. I'm reminded of the scene in 'Bug's Life'."NO, NO look out for the flame!!!" "I can't help it!!" ZAPPP!!

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Response to louis-t (Reply #4)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 01:55 PM

5. Their big money comes from the top

They live in a bubble and only associate with each-other so they have no idea of the real damage they do by obeying their wealthy overlords.

Their zap won't come until they are no longer useful.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 04:42 PM

7. The GOP has been spouting off about how much a smaller government will work, now let them

explain how their wish that came true will benefit this country.

They have stopped every jobs bill to move the work of America to infrastructure of many types as well jobs in the renewable energy fields.

The GOP deserve the blame.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 01:35 AM

11. Good

Let them reap hat they sow.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 03:02 PM

14. This will hurt the GOP

 

more. Whatever tax dollars collected from New York citizens should go to New York. You know where all the revenue is. It is in the most populous states. The most populous red state is Texas. And if you want to break it down further, most of the revenues come from urban areas. Shut down every military base in the red states and let them find their own industry. Maybe the cities within these states should also appoint their own governments like West Virginia did during the Civil War. And anybody living in the rural areas should be restricted from getting employment or doing business in urban areas. For example Phoenix can elect their own state government. Charlotte and Raliegh can elect their own government or merge with Durham and Fayetteville. They can evict Pat McCrory and tell him to move his capital to the swamps or some where that has his constituents. Let them create their own jobs and raise their own revenues. They can sell all their goods to themselves.

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