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Wed Feb 20, 2013, 02:10 AM

MSNBC and Hubris: Let us be honest about where we really are:

We have a far deeper issue than what is outlined by the film, the lies to get us to war are pretty well known at this point by most of the population.

A significant population of our countrymen just don't care enough. They see "the price of (our)freedom" as something that requires a certain superiority at all costs. A mixture of Dominism, Machievellian theory, American Exceptionalism, Materialistic Hedonism, with a touch of empathy avoidance.

The problem is not that we were lied to, but that too many in our population are willing to accept just such a lie, and the consequences of those lies, as something necessary to our society.

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Reply MSNBC and Hubris: Let us be honest about where we really are: (Original post)
newthinking Feb 2013 OP
RobertEarl Feb 2013 #1
d_r Feb 2013 #2
graham4anything Feb 2013 #3
Dirty Socialist Feb 2013 #4
sendero Feb 2013 #5
randome Feb 2013 #6

Response to newthinking (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 02:21 AM

1. Need for more guns

The reason for more guns is because people, ever since 9/11, have figured out that the government is not going to protect them, so they have to take matters into their own hands.

They have seen the lies of government and the favoritism towards the rich. The people are scared.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 02:42 AM

2. Its amazing isn't it

that the same people will scream bloody murder about how democrats are un-American and trying to take away their rights, etc. And all that crap went on and they are fine with it. I really, really don't get it.

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Response to newthinking (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 04:57 AM

3. Bush family Inc. went to Iraq to avenge a personal Grudge. As THEY did to Dan Rather

 

The problem isn't any war.
the problem was Iraq.
It had nothing to do with any problem and was just a personal millions of billions of dollars wasted to settle a personal score as the Bush family always remembers and holds grudges against those they perceive are their enemy.

To conflate it to guns or other issues has nothing to do with the core reason Bush went to war, and that is to settle a personal grudge.

This was nothing more than Aaron Burr vs. Hamilton back in the early days except a far
biggest waste of time.

(In essence, it would have been alot easier and cheaper, and so many lives saved, were
one drone dropped on Mr. Saddam back then (however, I am not sure if drones existed
back then so it might not have been possible.)

but there was nothing wrong with Afghanastan or the fight on terrorists.

The wrong was Iraq (and that is what this whole vid is showing. )

Let's not expand the video into anything more than it is.
Which is Iraq.

Which again to reitterate, was a personal grudge settled by W for the family.
(An example would be the mafia and how a kid on a bike was once run over accidentally by a neighbor, and heaven and hell couldn't prevent the neighbor from ending up in a vat of acid to settle the personal score. It had nothing to do with the rest of the mob or their biz, just
the personal score.)

I wish a filmmaker would make a movie nuanced to just the Bush family akin to the mob,
and saddam another mob leader and show a personal vendetta and how the one mob exacted
their vigilante vengengence on the person they perceived did it.

(If one wanted to conflate another issue, then intersect Dan Rather into it, and do the same thing with a personal grudge-
show how Rather hammered 41 in the interview questioning, and follow it through to that.
Show the embedded press and the press that died, and show how the press once embedded became psynchophants to the President's and generals minds.
Show how Dan Rather was the one outsider to it all, and how since the early days, was the thorn in his side.
Show how basically Dan Rather was stalked (and intersect that weird beating almost death he got on the streets) and how he was 100% character asssassinated by the dirty tricks squads.

That is something the general public would entertain. (at least the democratic side of the general public. No one is going to get 100% of anything anymore as the other side has their own agenda.

AGAIN-investigate it as a personal mob like personal grudge.

all the other issues are either a red herring or gravy to the meat loaf.
It is that elementary.
imho.

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Response to newthinking (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 05:04 AM

4. Some have a "the ends justify the means" mentality

They also don't want to hear the facts.

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Response to newthinking (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 05:47 AM

5. Without the lies..

.... there can be no quiet complicity.

The root of the problem WAS THE LIES.

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Response to newthinking (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 06:16 AM

6. "A significant population of our countrymen just don't care enough."

I think that, right there, is enough. I think most people go about their daily lives unconcerned with foreign policy at all. They don't care a bit what the monied politicians do with their time.

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