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And... In Case You Missed This... That's Almost 9 Newtowns...

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Reply And... In Case You Missed This... That's Almost 9 Newtowns... (Original post)
WillyT Feb 2013 OP
awoke_in_2003 Feb 2013 #1
WillyT Feb 2013 #2
awoke_in_2003 Feb 2013 #3
WillyT Feb 2013 #4
awoke_in_2003 Feb 2013 #5
WillyT Feb 2013 #6
awoke_in_2003 Feb 2013 #7
Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #8
WillyT Feb 2013 #9
Recursion Feb 2013 #10
Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #11
Recursion Feb 2013 #12
WillyT Feb 2013 #13
WillyT Feb 2013 #14
malaise Feb 2013 #15
WillyT Feb 2013 #17
malaise Feb 2013 #18
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riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #16
MineralMan Feb 2013 #19
WillyT Feb 2013 #20
MineralMan Feb 2013 #21
WillyT Feb 2013 #22
MineralMan Feb 2013 #23
WillyT Feb 2013 #26
MineralMan Feb 2013 #29
Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #25
WillyT Feb 2013 #27
WillyT Feb 2013 #24
Melinda Feb 2013 #28
WillyT Feb 2013 #31
Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #30
DreamGypsy Feb 2013 #32
WillyT Feb 2013 #33

Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 10:36 PM

1. They hate us for our freedoms, dontcha know? nt

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 03:14 PM

2. Yep...


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Response to WillyT (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 06:42 PM

3. Wow, no one is commenting on your OP...

seems like a bit of heads in the sand. Americans should be forced to see the images of what is done in our name. I remember on pic of a father on his knees crying, next to him was a dead 3 or 4 year old. Behind the father was a crying 12 year old (or so) boy. That boy will not grow up dreaming about becoming a baseball star. He is going to grow up and, somehow, get his revenge. There are lots of people that want to do the same. We create them faster than we can kill them.

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #3)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 06:47 PM

4. Ironic... No ???

Some here have been somewhat critical of Rachel Maddow's 'Hubris', because...

"We knew all of that already, and if the MSM had done it's job..." etc. etc. etc...

But when it comes to this...

Pretty much Crickets.

Thanks awoke_in_2003.



And to be fair... it was posted here by xchrom in December.


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Response to WillyT (Reply #4)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 07:00 PM

5. Ah, xchrom...

another of my favorite DU'ers (yes, you are on the list, too)

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #5)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 07:12 PM

6. Aw Shucks...







And right back atcha...


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Response to WillyT (Reply #6)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 07:24 PM

7. Why thank you...

Just bumping this again so some might see an inconvenient truth.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 07:39 PM

8. Everytime I or someone else posts how Pakistan & Yemen citizens hate hate drones...

The thread dies. We are terrorizing communities and we dismiss it with barely a whimper.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 07:41 PM

9. Yep... And I Fear The Blow-back Will be Enormous...

We are radicalizing more and more people with every strike.


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Response to WillyT (Reply #9)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 07:44 PM

10. I know several Hazara in Afghanistan who are very grateful for drones

Since they would have been slaughtered like the rest of their families except for them. Things on the ground over there aren't as simple as you might like them to be.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #10)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 07:49 PM

11. Who mentioned Afghanistan other than you?

Pakistani Ambassador to the U.S., Sherry Rehman


"Operationally, it is counterproductive because it creates more potential terrorists on the ground instead of taking them out," she says, adding public perception in Pakistan turns the attacks into a recruiting tool for terrorist organizations. "We need to drain the swamp."

Rehman denies accusations that Pakistan outwardly condemns the strikes, but is privately complicit in their effectiveness.

"There is no question of quiet complicity. There is no question of 'wink and nod.'
This is a parliamentary 'red line' that all our government institutions have internalized as policy," says Rehman, who has been in her current position since the end of 2011. "I also say this as not just a policy that we say. It is important to us."


She also states this:

"We see them as a direct violation of our sovereignty. We also see them as a violation of international law," the ambassador said at a meeting with reporters Tuesday. Rehman would not elaborate on the Pakistani reaction if the U.S. continues with its current actions.


http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/02/05/pakistani-ambassador-us-drone-strikes-cross-a-red-line

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #11)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 07:52 PM

12. I don't know any Pakistanis who have had any dealings with drones

I do know several Afghanis who have. It's relevant.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #12)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 08:14 PM

13. Where Have YOU Been ???

The Predator attack was the first since the Parliament approved new terms of engagements that seek an immediate halt in the CIA-piloted campaign.

During recent high-level talks, Pakistan had categorically told the US that drones are totally unacceptable.


At a joint news conference with US Special Envoy Marc Grossman last week, Foreign Secretary Jalil Abbas Jilani reiterated Pakistan’s strong opposition to the CIA-piloted drone campaign in the tribal areas.

“We consider drones as illegal, non-productive and accordingly unacceptable,” he emphasised.


Link: http://tribune.com.pk/story/372224/pakistan-lodges-formal-complaint-over-n-waziristan-drone-attack/


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Response to Recursion (Reply #12)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 08:16 PM

14. And BTW... I Notice You Had NO OPINION On All Those DEAD CHILDREN...

Would you care to expound on the subject at hand ???


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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 08:17 PM

15. Don't you know it's just lil brown Muslim children

who choose anti-US dictators

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Response to malaise (Reply #15)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 08:19 PM

17. No Shit... Huh ???

Un-fucking-believable.

We should start a new caucus... the Crap Your Pants Caucus...




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Response to WillyT (Reply #17)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 08:22 PM

18. The problem is that you can't dehumanize other people's children

and expect them to view yours as special. Either all children are special and have a right to life or it's open season for all.

It's fucking crazy.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 08:18 PM

16. .



K&R



No words.



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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 08:23 PM

19. And gunshots have killed far more

Here in the US. Neither is a good thing. How many children in Pakistn died of cholera or were killed because they were female?

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #19)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 08:26 PM

20. So It's Alright With You If We Add To The Misery ???

You're coming really close to sounding like...

"Well hell... they were gonna die anyway!"

I'm sure that's not what you meant, but read that again, and see how it sounds to you.


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Response to WillyT (Reply #20)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 08:31 PM

21. Perspectve. It matters.

Google pakistan gender killings. No killings are justified, but they happen.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #21)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 08:39 PM

22. Yeah... But At Least It Is Not Done Using U.S. Taxpayers Dollars Through The U.S. Government...

The drone killings are.


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Response to WillyT (Reply #22)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 08:44 PM

23. I doubt that matters to those who die.

War sucks, no matter how it is carried out. How many children died in Dresden, do you suppose? Perspective. Hiroshima?

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #23)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 08:48 PM

26. Excuse Me... But WHO... Exactly... Declared War... And When Is This War Expected To End ???

I fear this is "War" in perpetuity.

How about you ?


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Response to WillyT (Reply #26)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 08:51 PM

29. Warfare, then.

There has been much warfare since WWII, but no declared wars. Warfare sucks, if you prefer.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #19)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 08:48 PM

25. "How many children in Pakistn died of cholera ..."

How many have died in Haiti? A disease INTRODUCED by UN troops...

http://blogs.aljazeera.com/blog/americas/unease-over-un-bid-eradicate-haiti-cholera
Numerous studies - including internal investigations by the UN itself - indicate that cholera was brought in by Nepalese peacekeeping troops. Yet the international body has yet to formally take the blame.

"A just response requires allowing past victims of the UN cholera and their survivors their day in court, to seek justice for their loss of loved ones, income, property and educational opportunities," said Brian Concannon, Director of the Institute for Justice and Democracy in Haiti, which has launched a lawsuit against the UN on behalf of the families of 5,000 cholera victims.


Or how about the increase polio in Pakistan and the killings of public health workers because of CIA infiltration?


December 18, 2012
The C.I.A. and the Polio Murders
Posted by Michael Specter

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2012/12/the-cia-and-the-polio-murders.html

Scientists, with the help of public-health workers, have managed to wipe just two diseases from the face of the earth: smallpox and rinderpest (otherwise known as cattle plague). This year, it had begun to look as if we would soon add another name to that list, a virus that has been a paralytic threat for millennia: polio.

The effort took a devastating step backward yesterday, with the news that six public-health workers were killed in Pakistan; all had been administering polio vaccines. Earlier this year, the World Health Organization declared the eradication of polio to be a world-wide health emergency (a designation which makes it easier to release funds). It did so primarily because the end seemed in sight. Just three countries continue to report infections: Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Nigeria. As soon as the news of the murders spread, however, the health minister for Pakistan’s southern Sindh Province put a halt to the vaccination program, which had employed more than twenty-four thousand aid workers. The risks of this detour, which will leave tens of thousands of people vulnerable to new infections, cannot be overstated.

Nobody has yet claimed responsibility for the coördinated attacks, but the Taliban has opposed polio vaccination vigorously. Taliban leaders have issued several religious edicts saying that the U.S. runs a spy network under the guise of a vaccine program. Now, there is no question that this is a depraved, heartless, and sickening act. But, as I wrote in a post here more than a year ago, the claim about the C.I.A. is not entirely untrue. In 2011, American intelligence, in a stunning display of arrogance, stupidity, or both, faked a vaccination drive as a cover for its attempt to pin down the location of Osama bin Laden. (The idea was to get DNA samples from the children in the Abbottabad compound while injecting them with a dummy vaccine, and then compare them to those of bin Laden’s relatives.) There is a history here, and somebody in the American intelligence community should have known it. The world was close to eradication in 2004 as well. Then several mullahs in northern Nigeria campaigned against polio vaccinations—claiming they were part of a Western plot. The result was that people who were infected went to Mecca on the hajj and spread their disease to people from many countries.

Pakistan’s attitude toward those who are associated with the C.I.A. has not exactly been a secret. After the raid on bin Laden’s compound, the doctor who tried to obtain the DNA was arrested and sentenced to thirty-three years in prison. I don’t mean to lay these crimes on anyone other than the murderers. But the sickness and death caused by a renewed polio epidemic in South Asia would make today’s tragedy seem small. Again, we should hold the killers responsible for this terrible reversal. But at least some of blame lies in the swamplands of Langley, Virginia.



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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #25)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 08:49 PM

27. + 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! - And Thank You !!!

Man... it's amazing the stuff that gets said here.










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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 08:44 PM

24. Last Kick From Me... NOT Necessarily The Last Response...


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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 08:50 PM

28. Bug-splat!!

Pentagon Creates New Medal for Drone Operators

The Pentagon unveiled a new medal on Wednesday to honor “extraordinary” troops who launch cyber attacks or drone strikes from their consoles, even if they do not risk their lives in combat. http://www.darkgovernment.com/news/pentagon-creates-new-medal-for-drone-operators/

Step right up and get yer Distinguished Warfare Medal for killin' them lil' brown babies, errrr, I mean - bug-splat!!



I wonder how many medals they earn in this program...Just think how proud one must be pinning them on their uniform. Think they earn one for each bug-splat?

So proud!!!

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Response to Melinda (Reply #28)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 09:19 PM

31. Sweet Jesus...



Yeah, because of their... bravery in the... "field"...




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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 08:53 PM

30. And, the child murderers are to get medals for their feats of bravery.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 09:29 PM

32. And for a refresher course, Living Under Drones ...

...the Stanford/NYU report published in September, 2012. The full 182 page report available here.

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Response to DreamGypsy (Reply #32)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 10:52 PM

33. Thank You For That !!!



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