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Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:03 PM

You were hated for it. Your life was threatened because of it........and you were right !!!!




Bravo Michael Moore!


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Reply You were hated for it. Your life was threatened because of it........and you were right !!!! (Original post)
marmar Feb 2013 OP
haikugal Feb 2013 #1
Carolina Feb 2013 #2
rhett o rick Feb 2013 #3
SammyWinstonJack Feb 2013 #4
Carolina Feb 2013 #5
Tikki Feb 2013 #6
Brigid Feb 2013 #7
felix_numinous Feb 2013 #8
Hissyspit Feb 2013 #9
Mnpaul Feb 2013 #10
marmar Feb 2013 #30
me b zola Feb 2013 #11
Liberal In Red State Feb 2013 #12
joanbarnes Feb 2013 #13
HiPointDem Feb 2013 #14
Diclotican Feb 2013 #15
freshwest Feb 2013 #24
Diclotican Feb 2013 #39
Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #16
Proud_Lefty Feb 2013 #23
Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #25
freshwest Feb 2013 #44
Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #51
freshwest Feb 2013 #52
colorado_ufo Feb 2013 #41
Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #42
Overseas Feb 2013 #17
The Wizard Feb 2013 #18
SunSeeker Feb 2013 #35
bvar22 Feb 2013 #19
bluestateguy Feb 2013 #20
caseymoz Feb 2013 #21
lastlib Feb 2013 #38
limpyhobbler Feb 2013 #22
narnian60 Feb 2013 #26
patrice Feb 2013 #27
marmar Feb 2013 #28
CrispyQ Feb 2013 #32
patrice Feb 2013 #36
hfojvt Feb 2013 #29
CrispyQ Feb 2013 #31
HelenWheels Feb 2013 #33
kelliekat44 Feb 2013 #34
G_j Feb 2013 #37
LiberalLovinLug Feb 2013 #40
WillyT Feb 2013 #43
KoKo Feb 2013 #45
Milliesmom Feb 2013 #46
Spirochete Feb 2013 #47
WCGreen Feb 2013 #48
myrna minx Feb 2013 #49
Faygo Kid Feb 2013 #50
20score Feb 2013 #53

Response to marmar (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:19 PM

1. +++++++!!!

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:21 PM

2. K&R

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:21 PM

3. Bravo. nm

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:23 PM

4. ...

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:24 PM

5. PS... so much for liberal Hollywood

the reactions and booing were horrendous but Michael was right!

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:34 PM

6. Do you REALLY remember how FEW in Hollywood actually spoke against Bush..less then fingers...

on my two hands can be notably remembered for their condemnation of Bush. The SILENCE from every aspect of the entertainment industry was stunning and very, very sad.

Tikki

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:38 PM

7. Of course Michael Moore was right.

He and those of us who also knew better were definitely in the minority in those days. Not good times.

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:40 PM

8. One of the voices in the wilderness~

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:42 PM

9. Remember it was HIS acceptance speech.

And he was with ALL the other nominees. He had a right to say whatever he wanted.

There should have been no booing. Period.

There was plenty of cheering, too.

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 09:07 PM

10. Watching After Newtown: Guns in America

on PBS right now

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Response to Mnpaul (Reply #10)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 08:44 AM

30. The Fifth Estate on CBC did a good special on guns in America....


...... but it's probably tough to get if you don't live in a state along the Canadian border.

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 09:12 PM

11. K&R

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 09:37 PM

12. Bravo Michael!

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 09:41 PM

13. I was so proud of Michael that night, fell head over heels for him......

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 09:41 PM

14. wow, even in 'liberal' hollywood that didn't play well, did it?

 

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 09:50 PM

15. marmar

marmar

Michael Moore was right then - and right now - and it was a shame how so many bowed to the US president - instead of the truth..

And many of us, who protested - and who on debate forums was fighting the lies, the utterly lies from the "reality" groups - was also right - The evidences before the Iraq War was overwhelming - and the totally lack of evidences for the chemical, biological and other weapons should have turned the US against the horrible regime of mr Bush...

I still hope america will wake up - and do the right think - but I do suspect, most of them who was doing the crimes, will never be prosecuted for the crimes they had being doing...

But I KNOW mr Moore was right then - and he WAS honest, when he was fighting the lies - And for some reason I think mr Moore at least, in his quiet room, can say YEAH i was right - the others was wrong...

Diclotican

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Response to Diclotican (Reply #15)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 10:32 PM

24. Agreed. And I hope more revelations will come out to enlighten the benighted believers.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #24)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 02:42 PM

39. freshwest

freshwest

Don't hold your breath about it - I don't. The "believers" will go down to their graves, believing mr Bush did the world a great service - going into Iraq, devastated it, and waste billions, on billions of dollars, who else could have been used to far better use other places - like in the US..

Diclotican

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 10:06 PM

16. LOOK at the audience. They aren't booing....

The sound was coming from a tiny handful of stooges who were given microphones.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #16)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 10:32 PM

23. That was pointed out to me too

People were surprised in the audiences (that someone was brave enough to speak up), but I heard it was people planted there to boo him we heard, and not the real liberal Hollywood.

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Response to Proud_Lefty (Reply #23)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 11:26 PM

25. There was a desperation on the part of the media to present that EVERYBODY was for the war....

Republicans were CONVINCED that the ONLY reason we lost in Vietnam was because the media stopped supporting it.

They bought up the media to prevent that from happening again.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #25)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 04:06 PM

44. You nailed it. They realized they'd have to dumb, divide and disinform us.

I'm not even saying it was a conspiracy as is preached through some Koch funded punditry. Because they preach it's the government that is always the main actor, when it comes from the ground up. Instead what you describe was the natural reaction of those groups.

The Thom Hartmann video I've cited here a few times, traces their actions. I've been quoting FDR's vice-president's words, for years now. It fits the fascist model perfectly:

"The really dangerous American fascist... is the man who wants to do in the United States in an American way what Hitler did in Germany in a Prussian way. The American fascist would prefer not to use violence.

His method is to poison the channels of public information. With a fascist the problem is never how best to present the truth to the public but how best to use the news to deceive the public into giving the fascist and his group more money or more power...

They claim to be super-patriots, but they would destroy every liberty guaranteed by the Constitution. They demand free enterprise, but are the spokesmen for monopoly and vested interest.

Their final objective, toward which all their deceit is directed, is to capture political power so that, using the power of the state and the power of the market simultaneously, they may keep the common man in eternal subjection."


-- U.S. Vice President Henry A. Wallace, quoted in the New York Times, April 9, 1944

We nearly fell over the cliff last November they had pushed us toward for half a century. It is not wise to believe that with one set of electoral victories every four years, we have won for any length of time or forever. It's always a truce or a draw. They are NOT giving up after all these years. They've invested a lot in the system they believe we should all live in. If they can destroy civil government, they will extort us by using terms they set for their benefit, to pay directly for all we need to live. Without any redress because you can't regulate private interests without a strong, well-funded government, and the public has been convinced that is tyranny.

Privatization achieves all this piecemeal. If they win this fight, the Constitution, Bill of Rights, voting and all protection against theocrats and predators will truly be gone, simply of no meaning. Not just under siege as they are now, because the one who controls our land, air, water and food OWNS us.

Many of the heads-on-fire talking points are nothing but diversions to keep the eye of the people off Grand Theft USA. They studiously ignore that there is great profit to be made if one gets those contracts. Yet those are neighbors who believe it's the right thing to do. We create government in this country in ways that are both conscious and deliberate and also in ways that are unclear to most people. It's up to us to move forward to cleanse and empower whatever will hold these robber barons off.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #44)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 06:28 PM

51. Exactly, It's like in the Middle East....

We are told who the bad guys are it is considered to be "daring" to talk about Israel but you want to see someone show actual courage?

Have them talk about Saudi Arabia.

They own a big chunk of FOX "News" and Wall Street and their #1 rival in the region is Iran. We are supposed to just consider it a coincidence that Republicans who suck up to the Saudis are eager to go to war with Iran.

Want to see the future under Republicans? Look at Saudi Arabia. Morality Police, leaders who claim they are actual Holy Men speaking for God while they cavort in harems, women are property, torture, public execution, your life is determined by your place in society and that's based on your birth.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #51)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 06:31 PM

52. +1,000

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #16)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 02:56 PM

41. Of course.

They knew it was a possibility that he would win, and they knew he would not bite his tongue. They were prepared.

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Response to colorado_ufo (Reply #41)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 03:15 PM

42. He was saying what they wished they could say....

At that time it was considered to be DANGEROUS to speak out against Bush.

I noticed it when I would say something in public. People at my table would look around in actual FEAR like we were in a fucking dictatorship. Like the cops would swoop in and arrest me or something.

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 10:08 PM

17. K&R.

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 10:15 PM

18. Cut off a couple of guys I thought were friends

And I don't miss them. Don't talk to too many Republicans these days. I prefer normal people.

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Response to The Wizard (Reply #18)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 01:54 PM

35. Me too. Life is short. Why spend it with assholes? nt

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 10:21 PM

19. Kudos to MM!

He certainly doesn't look the part,
but he IS a Hero & a Fighter!

"If we don't fight hard enough for the things we say we believe in,
then we don't really believe in them!"
---Paul Wellstone

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 10:25 PM

20. Who was it that booed him anyway?

I think we have a right to know.

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 10:26 PM

21. The Left was Right again, K&R


I think Conservatives are going to remembered in history as the people who were always wrong, and who obstructed the people who were right.

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Response to caseymoz (Reply #21)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 02:29 PM

38. And the Right was Wrong--surprise, surprise, surprise!

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 10:30 PM

22. +1. Bravo for this guy

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 11:30 PM

26. I'll say it again and again...

he is a true patriot.

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 11:50 PM

27. Yes, but think of the powerful significance of his behavior anyway. He was booed and reviled but

he won anyway because he influenced viewers who would not have been influenced otherwise. They were probably still negative about Moore's message, but they were negative in a different way for having seen this person do this forbidden thing.

Genius.

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Response to patrice (Reply #27)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 03:24 AM

28. Agreed.

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Response to patrice (Reply #27)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 10:50 AM

32. "he won anyway because he influenced viewers who would not have been influenced otherwise."

I know lots of people who were solidly behind the Iraq war & the Bush administration, until F-911 came out.

Before the film was out, I drove around with anti-Bush & anti-war stickers on my car, & my husband asked me to take them off because the reaction was so startling. People would flip me off, they would approach me in parking lots & call me anti-American, some stickers were defaced. Sometimes it was a little frightening how vehement they were.

After the movie, that started to change. Oh, sure there were still a number of jerks, but I started to hear people honking & giving me a thumbsup. I remember a friend telling me, "I didn't know all that about how Bush got elected until I saw F-911."

I hope Michael keeps speaking out.

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #32)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 02:24 PM

36. I think you are right; F-911 was a turning point at that time.

And Moore's personal style is sooooo very very effective. Completely honest but not assaultive.

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 04:12 AM

29. probably a bad idea to start with "fictitious election" and "fictitious President"

If you want to "stop the war" then you should concentrate on "the war" and not "the President that I did not vote for". However we may feel about "dim son" the fact of the matter is that tens of millions of Americans voted for that "fictitious President" twice. If you start by attacking HUM, then you are also attacking THEM. If you, instead, attack his policy, his war, or his lies, then it allows them to think "well, I voted for the guy, but I don;'t like war, or being lied to".

I used to quote Flash Gordon here, where he said "Prince Barron, I am not your enemy. Ming is. Let's all team up and fight him."

It's harder to convince people you are not their enemy though, when you attack them. Then, instead of teaming up with you to fight Bush, they instead will team up to fight YOU.

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 10:40 AM

31. Superb!

~kick & rec

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 11:07 AM

33. My life was threatened too

Several of us protested the war every Friday in front of the County Courthouse. Many times we were threatened. Once I was specifically pointed out and told they were going to come and burn down my house. But hard as it was at first we were able to see a gradual change in response to our protesting. There came a time when there were more thumbs up than thumbs down and the threats lessened

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 11:28 AM

34. MM is a true American hero!!! Wish I had his guts! nt

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 02:28 PM

37. K&R & that applies to many here! nt

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 02:52 PM

40. Kick and Rec

I remember watching that at the time. My heart soared.

I also remember being disappointed at that crowd reaction, even if it was just a vocal minority.

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 03:41 PM

43. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!


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Response to marmar (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 04:14 PM

45. Oh...It's so good to hear and watch that again! K&R!

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 04:36 PM

46. Love the smiles.

I loved seeing Harrison Ford and Louis Gossett Jr's smiles when Michael spoke ..............

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Response to Milliesmom (Reply #46)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 04:43 PM

47. Yep

Jack Nicholson and Nicolas Cage seemed to be getting a kick out of it too. Though it wasn't shown in the clip, they were both laughing as he spoke.



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Response to marmar (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 04:52 PM

48. The one bright moment in what was a dismal era here in the US of A...

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 05:55 PM

49. K&R n/t

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 06:22 PM

50. I'm grateful to him. He had courage when others shrank.

Picked a nice place to live up there in northern lower Michigan, too. All in all, good for him - and bad for the rest of the cowards who refused to stand up.

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 08:42 PM

53. I was at the Oscar protest when this happened. We were hoping he would come speak

to us. The cops allowed the pro-war people and their signs to get close to the Oscars - we were shuffled a few blocks away from the cameras.

I do remember John Conyers was one of the speakers at the protest. He ripped up his Oscar tickets and said he would rather be with us protesting the war.

As for Michael Moore, I'll always remember how happy I and my friends were when we heard what he had done. He is a true hero.

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