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Tue Feb 19, 2013, 04:47 PM

ughh--caught a couple of minutes of cnn today--the passengers on that carnival cruise from hell

apparently have NO legal recourse, no legal basis on which to sue carnival. is this accurate? one of the people read part of the contract people apparently sign, which basically seems to say that carnival has no liability, because people sign away all their rights when they sign that contract.

it was pointed out that carnival has made very sure that whatever laws there are don't really apply to them.

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Reply ughh--caught a couple of minutes of cnn today--the passengers on that carnival cruise from hell (Original post)
niyad Feb 2013 OP
Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #1
customerserviceguy Feb 2013 #13
davidn3600 Feb 2013 #19
Arugula Latte Feb 2013 #2
unblock Feb 2013 #3
KamaAina Feb 2013 #4
customerserviceguy Feb 2013 #12
KamaAina Feb 2013 #14
customerserviceguy Feb 2013 #17
immoderate Feb 2013 #5
Posteritatis Feb 2013 #7
WilliamPitt Feb 2013 #6
PatSeg Feb 2013 #8
zipplewrath Feb 2013 #9
jberryhill Feb 2013 #11
jberryhill Feb 2013 #10
customerserviceguy Feb 2013 #15
jberryhill Feb 2013 #20
Cleita Feb 2013 #16
lynne Feb 2013 #18

Response to niyad (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 04:50 PM

1. I guess that might be a good reason for everyone to stop using them

and see how that works for Carnival

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 06:52 PM

13. Yes

At this point, if you sign up for a Carnival cruise, you are no longer entitled to have anyone feel sorry for you, no matter what happens on that vessel.

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 07:32 PM

19. I think most cruise lines have this language in the contracts

But most cruise lines dont have these kinds of problems. The competition is quite fierce in the cruise industry. However, Carnival is so large that these incidents dont make any crippling blow to the company as it would on smaller lines. Carnival has typically pretty cheap prices compared to the competition. So that's what really keeps people coming, especially in a down economy. In some cases, a cruise on Carnival is half the price as anyone else.

The thing is though that when you go cheaper than everyone else, you are usually sacrificing something. And it's obvious Carnival is cutting corners in a lot of places to save money. You get what you pay for. They are a budget line.

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Response to niyad (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 04:51 PM

2. I'll bet a lot of people on that ship are older, anti-government, pro-"tort reform" types.

Yeah, yeah, not all, but many, I'm sure.

Let's see how that works for them.

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Response to niyad (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 04:52 PM

3. sounds right, i remember something like that from when i took a cruise.

that doesn't mean it's 100% legally enforceable, though.

vendors often put things in contracts that they think or even know for sure are unenforceable. they do this to talk people out of suing in the first place, and making it more expensive and difficult for them to do so if they try.

as a practical matter, it probably all depends on if they were negligent in maintaining the equipment. it is was all a completely innocent accident, then yeah, customers probably don't have any real recourse.

for what it's worth, i heard they refunded tickets and gave them discounts for future cruises (for those who dare try their luck again)....

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Response to niyad (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 04:52 PM

4. It doesn't help that all their ships are foreign-flagged

The Good Ship Lollipoop, for instance, is under Bahamian registry.

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 06:51 PM

12. "Good Ship Lollipoop"

Gawd, that was funny!

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