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Tue Feb 19, 2013, 04:00 PM

My great liberal state of Maryland becomes first to BAN GUN SHOWS

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http://www.inquisitr.com/531710/maryland-county-gun-show-ban/

Prince George’s County, MD – One Maryland county has banned all gun shows indefinitely. County officials opted to cancel legal gun shows while the federal government debates gun control measures. The Newtown massacre was noted when Prince George’s leaders announced the decision to ban gun shows.
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/531710/maryland-county-gun-show-ban/#pj9MDlajSJ2HcvcM.99

Hallelujah! Love my state!

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Reply My great liberal state of Maryland becomes first to BAN GUN SHOWS (Original post)
Happyhippychick Feb 2013 OP
cali Feb 2013 #1
cthulu2016 Feb 2013 #2
kelly1mm Feb 2013 #3
Happyhippychick Feb 2013 #8
friendly_iconoclast Feb 2013 #11
Light House Feb 2013 #13
onehandle Feb 2013 #4
Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #10
Hoyt Feb 2013 #28
customerserviceguy Feb 2013 #29
Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #33
Hoyt Feb 2013 #34
Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #35
loyalsister Feb 2013 #39
Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #43
loyalsister Feb 2013 #45
Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #46
loyalsister Feb 2013 #49
Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #50
loyalsister Feb 2013 #54
Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #57
ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #5
Recursion Feb 2013 #9
ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #36
Waiting For Everyman Feb 2013 #6
friendly_iconoclast Feb 2013 #7
Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #12
friendly_iconoclast Feb 2013 #14
Recursion Feb 2013 #15
hack89 Feb 2013 #16
friendly_iconoclast Feb 2013 #17
LanternWaste Feb 2013 #40
hack89 Feb 2013 #41
Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #44
marmar Feb 2013 #18
rightsideout Feb 2013 #19
Kingofalldems Feb 2013 #20
Kingofalldems Feb 2013 #21
madinmaryland Feb 2013 #22
Gorp Feb 2013 #23
rightsideout Feb 2013 #27
Gorp Feb 2013 #31
zappaman Feb 2013 #24
invader zim Feb 2013 #55
zappaman Feb 2013 #56
slackmaster Feb 2013 #25
judesedit Feb 2013 #26
Recursion Feb 2013 #30
Glassunion Feb 2013 #32
marions ghost Feb 2013 #37
apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #38
shcrane71 Feb 2013 #42
Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #47
shcrane71 Feb 2013 #52
Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #48
Samjm Feb 2013 #51
Politicalboi Feb 2013 #53

Response to Happyhippychick (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 04:07 PM

1. That's amazing. I wish gun shows where you can purchase guns

were banned everywhere.

It'll never happen in my state. Liberal as it is, Vermont has a thriving gun culture.

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Response to Happyhippychick (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 04:09 PM

2. I disagree with this. The thing to do was

to pass a PG county law making it illegal to sell a gun without performing the federal background check.

And if PG county can ban no-check gun sales, then go for it! That's fine.

And if that has the effect of making gun shows too burdensome to bother staging them then that is what happens.

As is usually the case, my view has nothing to do with guns in particular, but rather about civil liberties.

Or if PG county wants to say nobody can sell a gun without being a licensed dealer, then say that.

(And maybe they did -- the article is a little thin on the legal method of the ban)

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Response to Happyhippychick (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 04:11 PM

3. What other state could have banned gun shows in PG county? And, it was not

the state government that banned the gun shows in PG, but the county itself. So, maybe a better title would be "The great liberal county of Prince George's in the great liberal state of Maryland bans gun shows"?

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Response to kelly1mm (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 04:46 PM

8. Yes my wording was imperfect, too excited to care!

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Response to kelly1mm (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 04:48 PM

11. And they banned them only in publicly-owned venues, not private ones.

So you lot might wish to keep the cheering to a minimum.
My assertion that 'factual accuracy is strictly optional for gun control advocates', is proved correct yet again..

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #11)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 04:52 PM

13. Thanks for the info.

 

I was wondering if it was just county owned property and not private property.

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Response to Happyhippychick (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 04:18 PM

4. Gun Shows = Birthplace of Modern Domestic Terrorism.

Just look at their poster child:

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Response to onehandle (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 04:48 PM

10. Yes, he bought a van-sized fertilizer bomb at the Buffalo Butt Gun Show. really. nt

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #10)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 07:07 PM

28. He was also a right wing gun nut.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #28)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 07:34 PM

29. Still

It wasn't his choice of murder weapon.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #28)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 03:29 PM

33. Who used a bomb. He didn't need no stinkin' guns.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #33)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 05:52 PM

34. ERoosevelt's 38, guns were his gateway to lethal weapons and intimidation. He was typical right wing


lethal weapons worshiper (aka, nut).

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #34)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 06:17 PM

35. "...his gateway..." Sounds like the old gateway theory of drugs: Pot leads to Heroin. LOL.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #35)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 05:40 PM

39. There IS a gateway to illegal drugs

Legal drugs: alcohol and cigarettes and even caffeine

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #39)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 11:53 AM

43. Coca-cola did it for me! Now I use milk & Hershey almond kisses.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #43)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 12:04 PM

45. funny

but not really. I have had conversations with more than one addict. One in particular started using speed and eventually cocaine when coffee and caffeine pills weren't enough. He never used marijuana regularly.

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #45)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 12:31 PM

46. Post hoc ergo propter hoc. Rule of logic violated as much as 5A

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #46)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 12:53 PM

49. Clever

Maybe you missed the point of the experience sought. The guy wasn't interested in relaxing. He wanted something that kept him up and even hyper. There is a legal way to do that but in his case there came a point where it wasn't enough.
It is not unusual for people with addictive tendencies to want to find a broader range of experiences that alter their mental and physiological experience. Alcohol and cigarettes and other legal sources are a logical starting point.

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #49)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 01:35 PM

50. I see. Should drugs remain criminalized? More stuff criminalized?

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #50)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 03:24 PM

54. I favor decriminalization of Marijuana


I think there's a good argument for decriminalizing drugs that have more damaging effects. If it is done with a shift to a consideration of addiction as a medical problem, I can see some potential good results. If morphine were prescribed for addicts, maybe criminal drug trade of heroin would be less necessary and therefore reduced.
The same goes for the availability of a stimulant "high."

There are potential unintended consequences, though. Unlimited availability would require careful monitoring because of the long term physical effects.
Also, people who have mental illnesses often don't seek treatment because they treat their symptoms with alcohol or other drugs. Having more options could further complicate a very big problem within the mental health system.

There are a lot of variables to consider. The human cost has to evaluated carefully.

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #54)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 04:46 PM

57. I favor legalization of all now-illegal drugs. Legalization means regulation...

The main public interest: Reduction of crime, murder, corruption, resource diversion, gross discrimination. This interest can best be met by government-approved means of legally obtaining addictive substances at a price below the black market price. Programs of harm reduction can be offered where drugs are dispensed. Those who choose to ignore this may die early, but the public interest will be better served.

Marijuana should have been legalized generations ago.

Again, the main interest of the state is paramount: Crime reduction, reduction of costs, and public health improvement.

The state's coercive police powers should not be an integral part of treating addiction. Med. Programs yes, but not police coersion.

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Response to Happyhippychick (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 04:28 PM

5. Can guns still be sold at flea markets?

I wonder if gun sellers will just take their wares to other venues.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 04:46 PM

9. And garage sales, classified ads, swap meets...

... focusing on gun shows is culture war theater.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #9)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 05:33 PM

36. My guess was they just wanted to look good without

really doing anything.

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Response to Happyhippychick (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 04:33 PM

6. Yay, Maryland! I hope the other counties follow suit.

(I'm a Marylander, too. Also very proud of those in our state for doing this.)

PG County really needs a violence clean up badly. I remember when it was a very different place.

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Response to Happyhippychick (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 04:45 PM

7. Wrong- PG County did not ban gun shows, just ones at a publicly-owned arena.

http://www.showplacearena.com/

The Show Place Arena and Prince George's Equestrian Center are facilities of The Maryland-National Capital Park and Planning Commission, Department of Parks and Recreation/Prince George's County, Maryland. For information on other facilities, classes and parks, visit www.pgparks.com.


They did, however, provide lots of free publicity for the first promoter that can find a private venue
for a gun show...

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 04:51 PM

12. The happy clods in Travis County, TX are trying the same thing...

And because of them, people had to wait in huge lines at the gun show. I never saw a 2" add in a failing daily paper bring THAT many in.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #12)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 04:53 PM

14. That lot just can't seem to grok the concept of 'counterproductive', can they?

Another example:

Seattle Times: "Misstep in gun bill could defeat the effort"


http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172110632

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 04:57 PM

15. National Harbor Gunshow!

Crazier things have happened.

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Response to Happyhippychick (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 04:58 PM

16. That still leaves the classifieds, internet and bulletin boards.

but I guess it makes people feel like they are doing something.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #16)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 04:59 PM

17. Not to mention privately-owned venues in that same county...

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Response to hack89 (Reply #16)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 06:37 PM

40. I think it's called "A Start".

" feel like they are doing something..."

I think it's called "A Start".

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #40)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 10:14 PM

41. But it may be counter productive

just like 1994, there will be blowback from any gun control legislation. It may be "a start" but also "the end" if all it does is mobilize political opposition to further gun control. This notion of incremental gun control is nonsense - there will one shot at the prize.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #40)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 11:57 AM

44. What do you envision as the "finish?"

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Response to Happyhippychick (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 05:01 PM

18. I think of Maryland as a Democratic state, but liberal might be overstating it a bit. .......


...... It certainly has its liberal bastions, but Annapolis is never going to be confused with Berkeley.


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Response to Happyhippychick (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 05:13 PM

19. I'm proud of Maryland and my County

Lived in Prince George's County all my life. I'm glad to hear they are doing something and not burying their head in the sand on the issue.

Every little bit of deterrence helps.



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Response to Happyhippychick (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 06:04 PM

20. Proud Maryland resident here.

O'Malley is going places.

NRA hates him, which is great.

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Response to Happyhippychick (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 06:08 PM

21. Gunswarmers on the attack.

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Response to Happyhippychick (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 06:30 PM

22. I don't think we even have gun shows in HoCo. I know they have a lot out in Frederick,

but that is also Klan territory, also.

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Response to Happyhippychick (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 06:36 PM

23. Weird. I used to live in PG. That county is all ABOUT guns.

 

Well, perhaps that's why they adopted the new rule. There are guns everywhere in PG. I'm thinking this is a good development.

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Response to Gorp (Reply #23)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 07:07 PM

27. It is a good idea

I've lived in the county my whole life. Still here and haven't been shot yet. LOL. I've never seen a gun. Knock on wood. Of course, I don't hang out with gang members and the drug traders.

Some of my neighbors claim to have guns but I've never seen them.

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Response to rightsideout (Reply #27)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 07:37 PM

31. I lived in Riverdale for a while. Tough neighborhood.

 

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Response to Happyhippychick (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 06:37 PM

24. This ex-Marylander(Severna Park) gives this a DU Rec and kick! n/t

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Response to zappaman (Reply #24)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 03:29 PM

55. good thing you got out while you could

 

maryland...the north korea of the country

personal freedoms.. md ranks dead last (unless crushing taxation is considered a freedom)

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Response to invader zim (Reply #55)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 03:32 PM

56. "personal freedoms.. md ranks dead last"

Not sure what you mean by this?
What personal freedoms has MD lost?

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Response to Happyhippychick (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 06:41 PM

25. One county.

 

And they can't ban a show at a private venue because that would violate the First Amendment.

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Response to Happyhippychick (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 06:42 PM

26. Good. Hotheads and criminals buy guns at gun shows. No questions asked. They should be banned.

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Response to judesedit (Reply #26)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 07:36 PM

30. We should ban yard sales too (nt)

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Response to Happyhippychick (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:39 PM

32. So. By this time next year what is your prediction?

Will violent crime commited with a firearm decrease in PG county?

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Response to Happyhippychick (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 05:35 PM

37. Prince Georges Co


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Response to Happyhippychick (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 05:38 PM

38. Great news for those of us who actually care about our fellow American's well-being, as opposed

to the gun culture's and gun lobby which cares for nothing other than their deadly little hobby regardless of the mayhem it spreads from sea-to-shining sea.

Expect to see much, much anger vented here by our "pro gun progressives"*, but I got news for our friends: better get used to it. As the nation increasingly turns "Blue" these kinds of sensible reforms and legislation are going to become the norm in 21st century America.

Get over it.



*( )


Edit: clarity.

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Response to Happyhippychick (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 10:16 PM

42. Good riddance.

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Response to shcrane71 (Reply #42)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 12:38 PM

47. Some pols are trying to ban gun shows at county-owned facilities...

...already a gun show is scheduling in a private facility where I live.

This what you had in mind?

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #47)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 01:47 PM

52. Nope. I have in mind the banning of gun shows altogether. nt

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Response to Happyhippychick (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 12:41 PM

48. Are the officials canceling shows on private property?

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Response to Happyhippychick (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 01:41 PM

51. I think it is all for show

And doesn't really have any teeth. There will still be gun shows in PG County.

Why not do what Colorado did YEARS ago and require background checks on all gun show purchases. There is no "gun show loophole" here. (And guess what - they still have huge gun shows that are very well attended.) Why does MD have to wait for the Feds to make a decision? They're a state that can still make their own laws.

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Response to Happyhippychick (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2013, 02:04 PM

53. Now we need consignment shops

For private sales. That way the shop can do the paper work, and it's on record. No more private sales of guns should be allowed either. You can't buy weed on craigslist, the same should go for guns.

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