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Tue Feb 19, 2013, 04:42 AM

Remember, Bushco began planning for Iraq war BEFORE 9/11

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Paul O'Neill, former Bush treasury secretary interviewed in 2004.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/01/11/bush_began_iraq_plan_pre_911_oneill_says/

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"From the very beginning, there was a conviction that Saddam Hussein was a bad person and that he needed to go," O'Neill told the news program, according to excerpts released yesterday. "For me, the notion of preemption, that the US has the unilateral right to do whatever we decide to do, is a really huge leap."

White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan said yesterday that Hussein "was a threat to peace and stability before Sept. 11, and even more of a threat after Sept. 11."

The interview of O'Neill, the only Bush Cabinet member so far to leave office, served as a preview to a forthcoming book written by former Wall Street Journal reporter Ron Suskind about O'Neill's experience in the Bush administration.

The book is based in part on thousands of notes and documents collected by the former treasury chief, as well as information gathered by Suskind from other White House insiders, to examine the first half of the president's term. It is bound to reignite the debate over whether the Bush administration used the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks as cover to launch a preordained policy of toppling Hussein.

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January 30, 2001 document:

http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/new-documents-show-bush-administration-plan

Edited to add another reference link:

http://downingstreetmemo.com/timeline/

Downing Street Memo Misled into War - A Timeline.

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deminks Feb 2013 OP
malaise Feb 2013 #1
Botany Feb 2013 #11
loudsue Feb 2013 #15
Botany Feb 2013 #16
Turbineguy Feb 2013 #2
sakabatou Feb 2013 #3
peace13 Feb 2013 #4
trusty elf Feb 2013 #5
Martin Eden Feb 2013 #6
Berlum Feb 2013 #7
Larry Ogg Feb 2013 #8
vlyons Feb 2013 #9
Demeter Feb 2013 #12
EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #10
Larry Ogg Feb 2013 #14
tlw3 Feb 2013 #13
MiniMe Feb 2013 #17
OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #18
Gorp Feb 2013 #19
wiggs Feb 2013 #20

Response to deminks (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 05:05 AM

1. And stole an election to achieve it

Never forget

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Response to malaise (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 07:06 AM

11. W stole two elections.

BTW Paul O'Neil is on record as saying that in Feb. and March 2001 he saw maps of
Iraqi oil fields on Dick Cheney's desk.

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Response to Botany (Reply #11)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 09:00 AM

15. A whole lot of people on here don't remember that John Kerry, our Sec of State

was actually elected president by a majority of Americans. Ohio was solidly and fraudulently stolen, and I suspect Texas, New Mexico, Florida and Georgia were, as well.

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Response to loudsue (Reply #15)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 09:32 AM

16. Tell me about I live in Ohio and I saw "it" w/my own eyes and heard "it w/my own ears

And it was not just one or two things but literally hundreds of glitches, machine problems,
long lines, and people being dropped from voter rolls that happened and all of them were to
the benefit of W .... a statical impossibility.

@ 5:00 or 6:00 something PM on ll/2/04 Karen Hughes went and told W he had lost and W just
laughed.

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Response to deminks (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 05:22 AM

2. He said he would attack Iraq when he was candidate for President

He said it only once. No doubt Rove took him aside for a quiet word afterwards.

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Response to deminks (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 05:27 AM

3. Yes, I remember.

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Response to deminks (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 06:03 AM

4. Also the 'Patriot Act' was on the shelf, ready to go...

The wheel was in motion before 911, that is clear. PNAC , let's not forget these folks. The trail is wide and well marked. It is Mr. holder who is blind to it.

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Response to deminks (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 06:10 AM

5. Hague of a job, dubya!

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Response to deminks (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 06:25 AM

6. One thing the public REALLY needs to understand ...

Bushco didn't decide to invade Iraq based on evidence of WMD ...
Bushco had already decided to invade Iraq, and used WMD as a pretext.
In order to make that case for war, they had to blatantly misrepresent the available intelligence.

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Response to deminks (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 06:42 AM

7. "Stop it. You're torturing me." - GWB (R) doing his James Dean imitation

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Response to deminks (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 06:45 AM

8. And remember when...

Nancy Pelosi didn't think that that never elected psychopath warmonger piece of shit (aka Gorge Bush) should be impeached?

For those who need help remembering:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=838687

Morality is in the eye of the beholder, and it seems to me that big money influence within our pretend democracy, has bought us politicians that lack any real sense of morality.

I know most people, for one reason or another, don't like to be reminded. However, for what it's worth, if we make the mistake of pointing the finger at a single piece of garbage like "Gorge Bush", we will always fall short of cleaning out all the garbage.

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Response to deminks (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 06:49 AM

9. So who had the original idea to invade Iraq? I'm confused

After watching "Hubris" I got the impression that it originated with Wolfowitz, who sold it to Bushco. If not he, who was the originator?

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Response to vlyons (Reply #9)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 07:14 AM

12. The latest incarnation of Standard Oil, who lost those oilfields long before

1972, if I'm reading wiki right.

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Response to deminks (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 06:49 AM

10. I am not 100% on this, but it wouldn't surprise me if they let it happen on purpose. nt

 

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Response to EastKYLiberal (Reply #10)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:37 AM

14. Regardless of their criminal nature or neglect...

I would wager to say, that they were not worried about being held accountable for their behavior by any higher power, or their bought and paid for corporately owned sister Party, aka the Democratic Party.

If you look at history, and not the blinding facade of ideology that both major Parties hide behind, you can be 100% certain about that.

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Response to deminks (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 10:40 AM

17. I remember telling friends that we would be at war with Iraq in a year after the 2000 election

I was off by a little, but not much.

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Response to deminks (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 10:57 AM

18. Keep in mind that the REAL long-range target is Iran....

....and this map of US bases in the Middle East proves it:



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Response to deminks (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 11:26 AM

19. It was a PNAC objective all along. Rummy, Cheney, Perle, etc.

 

They just used Bush as the idiot front-man to get what they really wanted.

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Response to deminks (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 11:39 AM

20. Lots of info and angles that Maddow didn't have time to explore. I found

the piece less hard hitting and thorough than her usual show. She needs a miniseries on Hubris that includes discussion, analysis, and her unique ability to frame an argument.

The Price of Loyality with Suskind and ONeill was one of the first 'recent' political books I read and really helped opened my eyes to the Bush administration.

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