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Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:51 PM

Nobody had the guts to blow the whistle?

They're coming out of the woodwork now on Rachel's 'Hubris' report.

Gov.t officials, scientists, intelligence experts, reporters. Many knew these were lies. Yet nobody called a press conference to charge fraud. Nobody called the Washington Post or NY Times.

Aluminum tubes...a lie.

Yellow cake...a lie.

Meeting in Prague...a lie.

Nuclear program...a lie.

Stockpiles of WMD...a lie.
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Reply Nobody had the guts to blow the whistle? (Original post)
Graybeard Feb 2013 OP
LuckyLib Feb 2013 #1
madamesilverspurs Feb 2013 #2
Jack Sprat Feb 2013 #3
snot Feb 2013 #15
HoneychildMooseMoss Feb 2013 #4
global1 Feb 2013 #5
Baitball Blogger Feb 2013 #6
CoffeeCat Feb 2013 #7
Baitball Blogger Feb 2013 #8
dixiegrrrrl Feb 2013 #10
Baitball Blogger Feb 2013 #12
raccoon Feb 2013 #29
Baitball Blogger Feb 2013 #45
Coyotl Feb 2013 #39
Baitball Blogger Feb 2013 #46
killbotfactory Feb 2013 #9
Hissyspit Feb 2013 #11
Zoeisright Feb 2013 #13
Octafish Feb 2013 #14
RobertEarl Feb 2013 #19
OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #27
just1voice Feb 2013 #16
snot Feb 2013 #17
PD Turk Feb 2013 #18
OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #37
JVS Feb 2013 #20
lindysalsagal Feb 2013 #21
AnnieBW Feb 2013 #22
OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #34
Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #23
Lugnut Feb 2013 #24
Graybeard Feb 2013 #25
CanonRay Feb 2013 #26
Graybeard Feb 2013 #33
rurallib Feb 2013 #44
KharmaTrain Feb 2013 #28
malaise Feb 2013 #30
Atman Feb 2013 #31
Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #32
FleetwoodMac Feb 2013 #35
Whisp Feb 2013 #36
OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #38
FleetwoodMac Feb 2013 #40
KG Feb 2013 #41
bullwinkle428 Feb 2013 #43
MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #42

Response to Graybeard (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:53 PM

1. Whole heaps of people sat on their asses, too frightened

to call bullshit when they smelled it. A few well-placed resignations might have gotten the attention of some in congress as well as the nation at large. Like Nixon's Saturday Night Massacre.

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Response to Graybeard (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:55 PM

2. Joe Wilson did.

His wife paid the price.


Damned disgusting, isn't it?


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Response to Graybeard (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:01 PM

3. We tried whistle blowers in those days.

 

Why do we disdain whistleblowers in this country? The truth might get out.

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Response to Jack Sprat (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 12:01 AM

15. We're still trying whistleblowers.

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Response to HoneychildMooseMoss (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:03 PM

5. Or Was "Suicided"....nt

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Response to Graybeard (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:09 PM

6. Damn. What a lonely time it was for us who knew they were all lying.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:17 PM

7. I felt so alone, and my entire view of...

...this country changed. Not only were we ignored--anyone who was against the Iraq War was
positioned at a terrorist. We were supposedly with the terrorists. It is disgusting.

And we were right to be skeptical of the war, and the rush to war--with such flimsy evidence. I remember
seeing the "yellow-cake" letter and laughing at how amateurish it looked.

It was all a big hoax.

The neocons had been salivating for years, to get into the Middle East. They figured they could justify
Iraq, because it was easy to demonize and lie about Saddam Hussein.

It's all a disgrace.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:28 PM

8. I still can't believe what I went through.

My situation was compounded because my entire right-wing community was in full cray-cray.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022366720#post39

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:33 PM

10. Yeah....I remember, all too well.

Kinda pleased to see much more suspicion about Gov honesty, now, tho.
Call it a healthy skepticism.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #10)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:36 PM

12. Reminds me of Cold Mountain.

It's reckoning day.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #12)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:06 AM

29. Elucidate, my dear Watson. nt

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Response to raccoon (Reply #29)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 10:54 AM

45. From the movie Cold Mountain:

Ada: When this war is over, there will be a reckoning.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 09:09 AM

39. Us old farts knew what was going down and why. It has happened before in our own lifetimes, Vietnam

That does not reduce the frustration, especially when the Chief Executive wasn't even elected by the People.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #39)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 10:56 AM

46. I think hold outs who didn't believe W was selected by the Supremes, will believe it now.

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Response to Graybeard (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:32 PM

9. Everyone who came forward was disparaged by the administration

which were then uncritically reported by the media.

It was completely infuriating following events as they happened in real time.

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Response to Graybeard (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:38 PM

13. Paul Wellstone.

And look what they did to him.

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Response to Graybeard (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:39 PM

14. They were scared.

Government officials

John J. Kokal

Gus Weiss

David Kelly

who all opposed the war,

and the reporter-lawyer who actually asked the White House about the Iraq War Lie...

Paul Sanford.

All, except Dr. Kelly, fell to their deaths.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #14)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 12:10 AM

19. Before someone comes along and says 'Conspiracy Theory'

I want to say that only the dimmest republican teabagger is not now convinced that the whole Iraq war was a conspiracy thought up and conceived by BFEE.

And knowing that, it is no leap to say that murdering the truth tellers in your list, doesn't even compare to the murders of the Iraqis. If Bush/Cheney would kill hundreds of thousands, 4 more would be nothing to them. Even 3,000 Americans would mean nothing to the conspirators behind the Iraq invasion.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #19)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:01 AM

27. The vast sums of money to be made from a war in Iraq was the driving overall factor....

....for going to war. If you got in the way of that train, you were in trouble...in some cases, terminal trouble.

It's the way the powers behind the throne have always worked in the US, although the vast majority of Americans choose to either not believe it, or totally ignore it.

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Response to Graybeard (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 12:03 AM

16. Hans Blix called out the war conspirators

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Blix

"...Blix's statements about the Iraq WMD program came to contradict the claims of the George W. Bush administration, and attracted a great deal of criticism from supporters of the invasion of Iraq. In an interview on BBC TV on 8 February 2004, Dr. Blix accused the US and British governments of dramatising the threat of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, in order to strengthen the case for the 2003 war against the regime of Saddam Hussein. Ultimately, no stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction were ever found."

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Response to Graybeard (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 12:06 AM

17. Many opposed the war; indeed, I read that

more people demonstrated against the invasion BEFORE it happened than demonstrated against the Viet Nam war over its entire duration.

We just didn't hear about the demonstrations, or the reasons for doubting the Bush admin.'s story, in the corporate media; because we've allowed 95% of the media to become owned by 6 corps.

The only place I heard mention of the possibility that the aluminum tubes might actually be as well or better suited for non-nuclear purposes was the BBC.

And please forgive if this is off-topic, but the BBC is about to lay off 2,000. And maybe 2 years ago or so, their governing rules were changed to the effect that the trustees to their board would be appointed by the Prime Minister, and programming could be outsourced. (This was after the BBC had gone after Tony Blair re- the Downing St. Memo.)

And I tried to raise the alarm on D.U., and the post sank like a stone.

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Response to Graybeard (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 12:08 AM

18. not many did

And our news media in this country...... gutless bastards every damn one of them. The craven cowards have blood on their hands. If anybody did blow the whistle the media did their best to make damn sure nobody heard it

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Response to PD Turk (Reply #18)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:56 AM

37. I beg to differ...protests took place all across the US in about 150 cities....

...with the largest protests taking place in Chicago, Los Angeles, and New York City.

The media in this country has been controlled by the CIA and other organizations for quite some time...maybe you should read the following:

Operation Mockingbird

QUOTE:

In 1948 Frank Wisner was appointed director of the Office of Special Projects. Soon afterwards it was renamed the Office of Policy Coordination (OPC). This became the espionage and counter-intelligence branch of the Central Intelligence Agency. Wisner was told to create an organization that concentrated on "propaganda, economic warfare; preventive direct action, including sabotage, anti-sabotage, demolition and evacuation measures; subversion against hostile states, including assistance to underground resistance groups, and support of indigenous anti-Communist elements in threatened countries of the free world."

Later that year Wisner established Mockingbird, a program to influence the domestic American media. Wisner recruited Philip Graham (Washington Post) to run the project within the industry. Graham himself recruited others who had worked for military intelligence during the war. This included James Truitt, Russell Wiggins, Phil Geyelin, John Hayes and Alan Barth. Others like Stewart Alsop, Joseph Alsop and James Reston, were recruited from within the Georgetown Set. According to Deborah Davis (Katharine the Great): "By the early 1950s, Wisner 'owned' respected members of the New York Times, Newsweek, CBS and other communications vehicles."


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Response to Graybeard (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 12:19 AM

20. The whistles get blow, the whistles get ignored, it doesn't matter.

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Response to Graybeard (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 12:20 AM

21. Hillary knew better. She knew, better than anyone, yet she voted yes. and then went out on the steps

of congress and gave a TV rant about how the war was wrong.

And for this I will never forgive her.

3....2....1......

Flame away.

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Response to Graybeard (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 12:26 AM

22. Look what happened to Ambassador Joe Wilson's wife

Amb. Wilson called bullshit on the Bush lies. His wife, Valerie Plame, was outed as a CIA asset. That kind of discourages anyone else in the Intelligence Community from stepping forward.

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Response to AnnieBW (Reply #22)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:42 AM

34. It wasn't just Valerie Plame...it was her ENTIRE WMD global tracking network of about....

....70 people who were exposed when Ms. Plame was outed as a CIA NOC. Not only did it stifle dissent within the CIA, but it also eliminated yet another way to prove the Bushies were lying about WMDs in Iraq.



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Response to Graybeard (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 01:39 AM

24. You need to read Family of Secrets.

The book terrified me about how the real PTB operates. I might be inclined to shut up like most people did.

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Response to Lugnut (Reply #24)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 07:45 AM

25. PTB=Powers That Be.

'Family Of Secrets' is definitely the book to read.

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Response to Graybeard (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 07:47 AM

26. I kept thinking while watching Zinni

...why didn't you just stand up and say "Cheney, you fucking liar"...it would have blown the whole thing open.

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Response to CanonRay (Reply #26)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:28 AM

33. Or he'd be dragged to a loony-bin.

Poor Gen. Zinni. Mental breakdown, you know. Had to be put away for his own good.

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Response to Graybeard (Reply #33)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 10:00 AM

44. IIRC other dissenting generals were dealt with

can't remember names off the top of my head. I remember one was retired even though he didn't want to be.

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Response to Graybeard (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:04 AM

28. An International Shame...

Dubya and the neo-cons had a lot of friends around the world who were complicit in these war crimes and it appears they, like our own politicians, are happy to "move on" and avoid investigating what is the biggest war crimes in the past decade. Powell's lies to the UN were met with tactic silence as the dubya regime put pressure on "friends" around the world to make their war for profit look like an "international effort".

I've long felt it was beyond our own political system to ever hold dubya and his cabal accountable...the ultimate "too big to fail". Democrats are fearful that rushpublicans will use any investigation to go after Democrats. From the executive viewpoint, you don't shit where you sleep...investigating a past administration opens the door to having yours investigated after leaving office. The dysfunction of our legislative makes it even more difficult as any real investigation will be stonewalled and watered down for political expediency....especially as long as the rushpublicans control the House.

Thus...one can only hope that the long cast of history can and will be the best punishment we can expect. The fact that dubya remains extremely unpopular and a virtual exile/recluse is his lasting legacy. Of course I'd love to see an international tribunal investigate the the Iraq fiasco, however it doesn't appear there's any appetite in the Hague than there is in this country...

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Response to Graybeard (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:07 AM

30. Michael Moore

David Kelly
Robin Cook


Both ended up dead.

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Response to Graybeard (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:17 AM

31. A million people marched on DC, and not even CSPAN covered it

It was a set-up from day one, and the media was complicit.

I remember getting in "fights" on DU with people defending CSPAN's "Free MUMIA" coverage and A.N.S.W.E.R. It was a very frustrating time.

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Response to Graybeard (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:20 AM

32. Several did, and they were and are punished for doing the right thing while the Yes voters and

war cheerleaders are all rewarded and promoted. Hagel voted Yes. He will be Sec of Defense for backing a hoax. Those who voted NO were trashed, attacked and are still forgotten by all.

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Response to Graybeard (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:49 AM

35. Quite a number did, but it never gained traction with the media...

The Fourth Estate cowered under the gaze of the neocons, and some even instituted self-censorship and joined in the jingoistic marching chorus.

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Response to FleetwoodMac (Reply #35)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:53 AM

36. Phil Donahue was the only honest one of the whole bunch.

 

The rest are filthy scum, the Rathers, the Brokaws and all ALL the rest. Fucking accomplices.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #36)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 09:01 AM

38. Ever wonder how Rather got his job as CBS' White House correspondent when LBJ became president? nt.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #36)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 09:13 AM

40. Aye, he was a gem indeed.

Matthews should make an on air apology to the man.
If he could apologize on air to Mrs. Clinton, then he should be able to do the same to Donahue.

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Response to Graybeard (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 09:20 AM

41. ever notice how the wing-nuts fear and distrust gov't, but suddenly buy in and fall into line

when the opportunity to kill some furiners jumps up?

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Response to KG (Reply #41)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 09:51 AM

43. The Patriot Act should tell anyone all they need to know about how

the authoritarians can absolutely turn on a dime when it suits their own purposes.

These are the same assholes that suddenly began posting siglines about how "dissent is the ultimate form of patriotism" or some similar pablum on the day that Barack Obama was inaugurated. Yes, the very same assholes that called the rest of "terrorist sympathizers" for our opposition to the Iraq invasion.

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Response to Graybeard (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 09:42 AM

42. With zero consequences for the liars thanks to Obama administration protection

 

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