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Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:10 PM

Of All The Frustration... Anger... And Sorrow... I Had While Watching 'Hubris' Tonight... I Kept...

Going To This Picture In My Mind...



And I wonder if she watched... and I wonder what she thinks, and feels...

Same goes for ALL of the people effected by this... hoax...

Mother, fathers, brothers, sisters, children, grandparents, friends, neighbors, co-workers, American, Iraqi... ALL OF THEM... All of us, too.






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Reply Of All The Frustration... Anger... And Sorrow... I Had While Watching 'Hubris' Tonight... I Kept... (Original post)
WillyT Feb 2013 OP
annabanana Feb 2013 #1
Euphoria Feb 2013 #6
MyOwnPeace Feb 2013 #81
NYC_SKP Feb 2013 #2
gademocrat7 Feb 2013 #3
Warpy Feb 2013 #4
KoKo Feb 2013 #15
redstatebluegirl Feb 2013 #99
AnnieK401 Feb 2013 #65
MrMickeysMom Feb 2013 #82
Still Sensible Feb 2013 #5
hay rick Feb 2013 #7
WillyT Feb 2013 #8
hay rick Feb 2013 #9
sasha031 Feb 2013 #13
bjobotts Feb 2013 #48
hay rick Feb 2013 #51
bjobotts Feb 2013 #54
hay rick Feb 2013 #55
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #10
SaveAmerica Feb 2013 #11
pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #12
WillyT Feb 2013 #16
Cali_Democrat Feb 2013 #63
Cali_Democrat Feb 2013 #64
HeiressofBickworth Feb 2013 #14
lib2DaBone Feb 2013 #44
CrispyQ Feb 2013 #83
Webster Green Feb 2013 #17
WillyT Feb 2013 #19
hibbing Feb 2013 #23
mopinko Feb 2013 #18
UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2013 #20
Sancho Feb 2013 #21
pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #22
aquart Feb 2013 #34
Madam Mossfern Feb 2013 #71
AnotherDreamWeaver Feb 2013 #92
Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #59
Sancho Feb 2013 #67
dixiegrrrrl Feb 2013 #86
pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #89
Bonobo Feb 2013 #24
pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #26
King_Klonopin Feb 2013 #68
tavalon Feb 2013 #101
Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #25
WillyT Feb 2013 #29
Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #30
LongTomH Feb 2013 #93
WillyT Feb 2013 #97
Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #98
4 more years Feb 2013 #27
Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #40
Marr Feb 2013 #46
HangOnKids Feb 2013 #52
The Wielding Truth Feb 2013 #70
juajen Feb 2013 #79
Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2013 #28
riverwalker Feb 2013 #31
Demonaut Feb 2013 #32
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Hekate Feb 2013 #38
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bjobotts Feb 2013 #53
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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:12 PM

1. : (

Such a waste.
Such a crime.
Such a God Damn bloody shame.

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Response to annabanana (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:15 PM

6. k & r'd

while deeply, profoundly sad

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Response to annabanana (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 09:02 AM

81. Such a God Damn bloody shame

And towards the end - did you hear W and the Dark Lord? (Bush/Cheney)

There WAS no SHAME!!

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:12 PM

2. K/R (nt)

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:14 PM

3. K & R

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:15 PM

4. I'm glad Cheney got a transplant

I want that murdering, treasonous bastard to live just long enough to see charges filed. I want to see him humiliated.

I want to see him stripped of everything.

What came out of this for me was how much of it was Cheney's war, Cheney's deceit, Cheney's waste, Cheney's murder.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:34 PM

15. You better believe we Taxpayers paid Big Bucks to keep that

one going. Although...it's been said it would take a what it takes to bring a Vampire down. He sleeps in the day and rises in the night...

Whatever.... It's so easy to get carried away by Cheney and his incredible ability to survive after his first Heart Attack at 35 years old and more heart attacks after that, a pace maker for years then other manipulations and finally the heart transplant.

He's a Fucking Medical Wonder! When he passes on his heart and body should be preserved like Einstein's Brain.

So many dead...Millions and Millions displaced all for Iraq and then Afghanistan and into the other "Theaters of War" coming to fruition with the Drone Strikes killing more innocents as "collateral damage" to target any and all who are "presumed" by some heirarchy there in the Pentagon to be GUILTY of SOMETHING...by association or faulty intelligence.

He's an example of what can go wrong when folks go ROGUE..but have huge powers behind their ambitions and when they themselves are the Figurehead for others who have Grand Ambitions.

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Response to KoKo (Reply #15)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 03:26 PM

99. He gets the best care while a man in our town

Has to hold fundraisers to try and raise enough to stay alive. He is a teacher, not a toad.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 03:39 AM

65. The thing is Cheney is doing everything he can to save his own life

while sending young healthy people to die in a needless war.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 09:02 AM

82. A White House operative doesn't get that powerful without a whole lot of industry behind him...

I agree, Warpy.

But, if there is a message by Dwight D Eisenhower to remember, it's to beware of the "Military Industrial Complex". Cheney was an insider from the earlier Rethugs' who had that "Reagan's Ruling Class" thing down, and was put on a high mission that could guarantee him the best team of lawyers on earth.

So, how does a murdering treasonous act end, after all those worldly rewards?

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:15 PM

5. K & R. n/t

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:18 PM

7. And I thought of this:

4400 American troops, OVER 100,000 IRAQI CIVILIANS.

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Response to hay rick (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:19 PM

8. Like I Said... ALL Of Them...





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Response to WillyT (Reply #8)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:23 PM

9. Amen.

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Response to hay rick (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:33 PM

13. That pic is so heartbreaking

no words...


I am so glad Rachel did this special, it does bring it all back....

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Response to hay rick (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 01:00 AM

48. America must face its hypocrisy by trials of B/C

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Response to bjobotts (Reply #48)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 01:04 AM

51. Yes, but I truly can't envision that happening. nt

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Response to hay rick (Reply #51)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 01:12 AM

54. You're right. But sometimes life has a way unexpected

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Response to bjobotts (Reply #54)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 01:23 AM

55. From your lips to God's ears.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:25 PM

10. We did, you see hubby was on board a USN sub

And I spent months, writing, pleading. I lost my faith in the system, to be honest.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:25 PM

11. The ending really got to this spouse of an OIF Veteran

pretty emotional. I'm with you on this one.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:27 PM

12. And this one...

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #12)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:34 PM

16. Yes...


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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #12)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 03:32 AM

64. That's a powerful picture

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:34 PM

14. Why aren't these sons-of-bitches

behind bars? At the very least, based on the documentation available, families who lost loved ones to the fraud that was Iraq should file wrongful death lawsuits against every one of the perpetrators of the hoax. One can only hope that the public has become more educated and more in-tune that this can't happen again.

Oh, yes, it's way past time to bring the troops home from Afghanistan -- OBL has been dead for a while now and Afghanistan is no longer harboring a criminal and presents no threat to us.

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Response to HeiressofBickworth (Reply #14)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 12:26 AM

44. Indeed.. And remember this one . .."You are either with us.. or you are with the terrorists"....

 

They used 911 and the deaths of 3000 innocent Americans to rally the people of the United States and to railroad them into another useless war. And it worked perfectly.

To this very day... you don't dare mention that the WOT is a hoax...the media is completely controlled, and even though G.W. Bush and the Neocons were COMPLETELY wrong on every count... he and Dick Cheney prosper... the Patriot Act is renewed and we even have new laws like NDAAto repress us.

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Response to lib2DaBone (Reply #44)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 09:56 AM

83. OBL could not have imagined or planned such an incredible coup.

The terrorists were heads of state in our own government. While the DHS militarizes our police departments, Americans & the media are distracted about 2nd amendment rights issues, while our 4th & 5th amendment rights are in serious jeopardy.

Our government & most major institutions are corrupt & compromised to the core. The empire is rotting from within.

Post this 4 minute vid on FB & see if it gets taken down. I've posted it twice & it's been removed twice. Everyone should see this video.



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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:36 PM

17. Remember chimp's little comedy routine about "where are the WMDs"?

The whole bunch of them should have been locked up with life sentences long ago.

No justice for these war criminals? Why not?

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Response to Webster Green (Reply #17)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:41 PM

19. Yes... And Good Question...


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Response to Webster Green (Reply #17)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:08 PM

23. Yes...and I remember the laughs also..

Hey,
Evil, I remember to corporate media whores all dressed up drinking and eating and laughing at that video also.

Peace


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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:40 PM

18. wonder if anyone in my family realizes now that i was right.

we don't have graves, we have medals. medals for protecting "my" freedom.
i only speak to a few of them now.

and this is least of the pain.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:51 PM

20. You can add this as well.

 

Video of innocent Iraqis being slaughtered via Wikileaks.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:58 PM

21. I watched Hubris, and it makes me so angry (again)...

as far as I'm concerned, Vietnam was just as stupid; simply a manipulation by some out-of-control mongers. I knew Iraq was fubar at the time, but I fear most Americans are less active now than we were in the 60's.

I hope that shows like Hubris will make a difference.

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Response to Sancho (Reply #21)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:07 PM

22. You think you were mad

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I fought in Vietnam, was wounded there...and I had to watch it happen all over again, despite my protests.

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #22)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:42 PM

34. I still don't know why we were in VietNam

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Response to aquart (Reply #34)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 05:59 AM

71. Domino Effect

We had to fight the commies or they would 'get us' and they would have 'world domination.'

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Response to aquart (Reply #34)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 11:51 AM

92. Oil companies had the right to drill in the Tonkin Gulf

With the French. When the French were pulling out, they wanted to insure they still had those "Rights". And there were lots of Rubber Plantations, and someone had to profit from them.

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #22)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 02:41 AM

59. ...

 

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #22)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 04:23 AM

67. I registered for the draft, never got picked..

I had a college deferment for a couple years.

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #22)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 10:55 AM

86. I hear you.

For those of us old enough to remember Viet Nam, the similarities were immediately noticable.
Same with Afghanistan.
We know what is going on, for sure.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #86)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 11:20 AM

89. I have a different view on Afghanistan

While the Iraq invasion was totally unjustified and criminal, I believe there was justification to go into Afghanistan and take out the terrorist organization that attacked the U.S. But it should have been an in-and-out strike operation, not an occupation. Not a war.

My war experience and exposure to the carnage caused me to hate war and embrace pacificism. At the same time, I believe there ARE things worth fighting for--and worth dying for. They're just not the same things that our chickenhawk political leaders and the neocons want to go to war for.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:10 PM

24. Sometimes I wish there really WAS a hell. nt

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #24)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:12 PM

26. I hear you

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #24)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 05:18 AM

68. I believe there is a hell

and that there's no place in heaven for evil men like them.

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #24)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 09:01 PM

101. I know what you mean, Bonobo

That's the only thing I miss about being a Southern Baptist. The rest of the claptrap is nothing, but the thought that there might be some justice in death when there is little during is a balm I miss.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:12 PM

25. Sent that pic to Bartcop a long time ago....

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #25)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:27 PM

29. Can't Remember Where I First Saw It, But Thank You For That... It Needed To Be Seen...

Thanks again.

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Response to WillyT (Reply #29)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:29 PM

30. I did it in the middle of the squabbling over the Obama v Hillary match...

....to remind people what's important.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #25)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 01:30 PM

93. I think people will want to see this link

James J. Regan, Sergeant, United States Army

The photo -- widely published in newspapers -- showed a distraught Mary McHugh lying on her stomach in front of the grave of her late fiance, James Regan, who was killed in Iraq this February by a roadside bomb. The picture was taken at Arlington National Cemetery during Memorial Day weekend.

"She sat in front of the grave..., talking to the stone," wrote Moore, who has been a photojournalist in Iraq and Afghanistan during the past five years. "She spoke in broken sentences between sobs, gesturing with her hands, sometimes pausing as if she was trying to explain, with so much left needed to say. ...

"Clearly, she had not only loved him but truly admired him. When he graduated from Duke, he decided to enlist in the Army to serve his country. He chose not to be an officer, though he could have been, because he didn't want to risk a desk job. Instead, he became an Army Ranger and was sent twice to Aghanistan and Iraq -- an incredible four deployments in just three years."

Moore concluded: "Some people feel the photo I took at the moment was too intimate, too personal. Like many who have seen the picture, I felt overwhelmed by her grief, and moved by the love she felt for her fallen sweetheart.

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Response to LongTomH (Reply #93)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 02:50 PM

97. WOW !!! - THANK YOU FOR THAT !!!

(All caps to draw attention...)

Thank you, LongTomH !!!

I had never heard the back-story until now... just knew of the picture.

wow...





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Response to LongTomH (Reply #93)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 03:23 PM

98. Rachael Maddow had it on her show a long time ago.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:21 PM

27. Bitter over Vietnam and Iraq

The GOP will fool the press again if we let them. They thrive on this chicken hawk war theme. Let's not forget and nail their ass to the wall. Remember our president was not in step with this hoax they called a war. I was 22 during the Vietnam war and somehow made it to 65 . Now to see all those young people go off to another faux war just makes me bitter and sick all over again. Those brave soldiers did not volunteer for this mistake but had to see it through. WHY?

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Response to 4 more years (Reply #27)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 12:19 AM

40. And to think back then they claimed it would never happen again.

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Response to 4 more years (Reply #27)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 12:55 AM

46. They didn't fool the press.

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The big, corporate media outlets just parroted the narratives their parent conglomerates told them to parrot. They turned into little more than PA systems for pro-war propaganda for quite a while. Anyone who asked the obvious questions was fired.

And that's why these pigs weren't prosecuted as well. It wasn't just the Bush Administration, but our whole corporatocracy in general. Essentially, the 1%. They wanted that war in order to seize control of Iraq's oil.

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Response to Marr (Reply #46)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 01:05 AM

52. Yes Indeed

 

I just choke back tears when I hear someone saying the press was fooled. Fooled as they were being paid to spew LIES? Ridiculous, they all knew what was happening. Their bloody paychecks were too important. Their kids weren't going off to die. Evil fuckers.

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Response to 4 more years (Reply #27)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 05:57 AM

70. Yes. Yours is probably the best lesson we can learn from this. It is still going on. We have to

curb it and reinstall the Fairness Doctrine and be vigilant against the lies of those whose only wish to use us

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Response to 4 more years (Reply #27)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:51 AM

79. I had five brothers go into the armed services.

With no exception, they all went to get a good job with benefits. A couple of them sent back an allotment to help my mother raise the rest of us, and the other three helped out when they could. It is much the same now. If our very young men and women had better options, this would force a draft, and the people would be aware of the real cost of "playing Army".

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:21 PM

28. I hear you

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:29 PM

31. I remember the 2004 "Nightline" controversy

when Sinclair refused to show the Nightline program reading the the 700 names of war dead.


http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/abc_04-30-04.html

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:33 PM

32. I knew it was a lie, I knew they wanted war no matter what.....so many were duped

that's when I discovered DU and joined months later

FUCKING CHICKENHAWKS!

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:38 PM

33. Rec

And I haven't even seen it yet. DVR is getting it for later viewing.

However, you are exactly right.

Millions upon millions were effected by this war built on lies and willful ignorance.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:48 PM

35. The Biggest Consequence Of The 2000 Election Hanky Panky

If everything had been on the up and up Al Gore would have been president and so many americans and non americans who are dead now would not have been killed. Oh and we would not have nearly the national debt that the R's like to harp about.

If there is a Hell I hope a special extra toasty wing has been set up for Dubya, Dick and their lying chickenhawk gang.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:51 PM

36. And it's not just the dead and wounded.

Some of the emotional scars of the men and women who served on the ground in Iraq are not healing quickly.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 12:02 AM

37. I Had Mixed Feelings

The show was very well put together but I didn't see where it broke any new ground, as I was hoping.

Yes, this is the 10th anniversary so a program like this is essential but shouldn't it be on NBC rather than MSNBC for greater coverage?

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Response to DallasNE (Reply #37)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:38 AM

78. I totally agree. n/t

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Response to DallasNE (Reply #37)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 10:20 AM

85. I agree

I bought a documentary in 2004
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm450272512/tt0388495?ref_=tt_pv_md_5

Uncovered: the whole truth about the Iraq war made by Robert Greenwald.

Rachel put a few extra facts about the war but this DVD had what she had put out last night

For me, her show was a let down. I was surprised

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Response to DallasNE (Reply #37)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 09:07 PM

102. Remember that for you and me and everyone else here,

there is no new ground. We knew this all as it was happening. We screamed it at the top of our lungs with millions of us marching and they ignored us.

Hopefully, some people had their eyes opened with this documentary. We always had our eyes seared wide open.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 12:06 AM

38. Arlington West and the Vets for Peace -- my people, Chapter 54

The first Sunday of November 2003, a group of local activists erected 340 wooden crosses on the beach immediately west of Stearns Wharf, marking the death of U.S. servicemen and servicewomen in Iraq.

Outraged that the Bush administration had barred U.S. media from photographing returning coffins containing the war dead from Iraq, founder Stephen Sherrill, along with a small group of local activists, erected the first installation of what has become widely known as the Arlington West memorial. “I didn’t feel that the American people were mindful of the terrible price we were paying – and were about to pay – for the invasion and occupation of Iraq,” says Sherrill. “The statistics in the newspapers were just tiny little numbers, too easy to breeze over.” Since the first installation of about 340 crosses in November of 2003, the number of American soldiers killed in Iraq has grown beyond 4,500. Formerly held every Sunday morning, and now erected on a twice-a-month basis (first and third Sunday of each month), members of Veterans for Peace and volunteers from the community place crosses in the sand by Stearns Wharf in Santa Barbara, CA, in remembrance of those whose lives have been sacrificed in Iraq. Hundreds of observers from across the nation and around the world visit Arlington West every week. To date, there have been approximately twenty duplications of the original Arlington West all across America, including their weekly “sister memorial” in Santa Monica, CA.

In the intervening years since the memorial started, Veterans for Peace members and volunteers have effectively transformed what began as an angry anti-war protest into a genuine memorial — somber, chilling, and irresistibly moving. The memorial has been deliberately de-politicized in an effort to make Arlington West a non-threatening experience for everyone, regardless of their political affiliation. Gone are the placards denouncing George W. Bush that were there in the beginning. In their place are flowers, flags, and the names of the dead attached to the crosses and posted on makeshift bulletin boards. The crosses are planted in straight, tight rows, covering over an acre of beach that every Sunday make a stunning visual statement. In the background, the sound of “Taps” can be heard playing nonstop from a nearby recorder. At sunset, the music ends and the crosses are taken down, packed up, and stored away until the coming week.

Adjacent to one of the most heavily traveled intersections in Santa Barbara, Stearns Wharf has always been a favorite place for tourists to stroll. But now, it has also become a place where friends and relatives of the deceased can pay their last respects. “Until you’ve held a weeping mother in your arms who has lost her child – or worse, her only child – in Iraq, it’s difficult to grasp the enormity of the pain and the sorrow and the grief that has resulted from this war that WE started,” says Sherrill. Everyone involved with Arlington West has a similar story to tell. Nearly a thousand of the crosses have been visited by friends, comrades, or loved ones. “We never realized it would get so gigantic,” says Pat Chamberlin-Calamar. “Every time I place flowers by a cross, I say a little prayer.”


http://www.vfpsb.org/arlington-west/

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 12:08 AM

39. Lest We Forget...

 







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Response to triplepoint (Reply #39)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 09:11 PM

103. I don't know why, but I can look, unflinchingly, but sadly at the photos unless

it is of a bloody or terrified child. I wince and feel nauseated when I see those. I know intellectually that those children grow up to be the bloody and terrified adults I see in the other pictures, but viscerally, I do not. I feel as though I will go stark, raving mad when I see the children. The babies.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 12:21 AM

41. Follow the money.

O peration
I raqi
L iberation

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Response to blkmusclmachine (Reply #41)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 01:11 AM

53. cost$1trillion from 9/11 to invasion.$13 trillion profit.

Blackwater/KBL etc...the war profiteers backed by the Bush/Cheney neocons...Believe me they did not care about the deaths of a few thousand Americans or 100s of thousands Iraqis.
Pelosi and Obama did not want to force America to face its own hypocrisy with investigations of the SC appointed Bush/Cheney regime...but 'we the people' must find a way to hold these cons accountable for their atrocities.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 12:23 AM

42. It needs a Part II to shed light on Vets suffering with PTSD as well as the legacy

in Iraq and the festering hatred towards us for destroying so much without putting Iraqis to work early on to rebuild their own country.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 12:23 AM

43. There must be justice.

All crimes are committed in the past. We must look back.

Or the 1% will show their ugly side.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 12:51 AM

45. And even if you could ignore the cemeteries

there are the thousands with arms and legs blown off that will be among us for generations. Makes me sick.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #45)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 01:03 AM

50. a pit in my stomach...

All the anger we all felt while we ranted on this board back then has come roaring back...and I'm sick to my stomach...again. I may seem like a newbie but my email changed and I lost all my history here, but I've been here since the beginning of this board and it was THE ONLY solace place to be. There HAS to be a way for all the families of the fallen soldiers to bring this war criminals to justice?????? I can't fathom how those families feel, knowing their loved ones were killed for a despicable lie. Evil came twice to our country: on 9/11 and it began again on 3/19...

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 12:56 AM

47. All I lost

Was all my 'friends'

Redneck warhawk, pro Bush and not ex military like me.

Yet they knew better when I told them we were being lied to.

Thank you Air America! Thank you all who enlightened us during those fucked up years!

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 01:03 AM

49. We lost a member of our family in Iraq.

This pisses me off more than you can know.

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Response to Lugnut (Reply #49)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 05:55 AM

69. I'm so sorry for your loss.

I vehemently opposed the war. Wrote to my senators and congressman prior to the vote. One senator and my congressman voted against it. What pisses me off most is the 'my way or you are supporting terrorists' attitude of the war's supporters. Sorry I got carried away there. Mainly wanted to say how sorry I am for your loss.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 01:36 AM

56. Thoughts on Watching the Iraq War Machine All Over Again:The Pain Never Ends!

 

Yes. This program brought up a lot of memories and feelings. Since my brother in law died in Vietnam, we knew immediately that this
war was built on false information and was hyped up. We had already seen this movie and the Iraq War was the sequel. It was truly sickening how our "leaders" and our press jumped on it. The night of shock and awe we cried in our bed and prayed. I will never forget the bombs falling on Baghdad and that sickening feeling that all hell had been let loose.

Rachel Maddow has done a great service to this country to remind everyone of what can happen when a few crazies hijack our elections and our govt. while others let it happen. It was very affirming of my values that this program was aired by a mainstream cable channel.

She really let Bill Keller, NY Times Editor, off the hook, though. His reporters Judith Miller and Michael Gordon lied in The Times and pumped up the case for war. Judith Miller has since been discredited as a reporter, but Michael Gordon keeps his job. He is still lying for The Times. Bill Keller knows Judith well, since the Kellers would summer with her. As a result, we complained bitterly when Judith was invited to speak at our daughter's school for graduation. And we will never, ever subscribe to the Times again.

The really important thing here is that this lied into war was the most morally sickening thing I can remember witnessing personally.
Some of our friends immigrated to Canada after the war started and I yearned to leave with them, but my family did not want to leave.
The deaths of so many innocent Iraqis and so many of our own is a tragedy. It is a tragedy too that many young people have been lured into the military and it has even become sort of admired. I pity them too.

In this household we did our time, a decade in the anti war movement and still at it. It has been a lot of hard work. It was the only moral choice we could make. Otherwise how could I face myself? I pray that people wake up before we are drawn into a war with Iran.
Believe me, there are forces in this country that are trying hard to make it happen. I hope everyone reading this will become active again to resist future wars. Many say, why be active, it didn't work before, but just do it for yourself, for your integrity and self respect. Join us!

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 01:38 AM

57. For the love of humanity...

Someone pull the plug on the fucking madness!

Bush and his revelations from God, his rebirth to religious salvation, his preachers, his Mormon presidents.... It's a sickness!

Dammit, there is NO GOD! It's up to US!!!! We are our only saviors and our only destroyers, and the stupidity of dogma and magical voodoo thinking is the root of all evil... Stop it! That is what brought us to this place. That is the drum beat of war and arrogance. There is no morality to be found there, only the bedrock of greed, hatred, ignorance and needless death.

We have to use the minds nature gave us. We have to pick ourselves up and move on to reality and love and peace and human compassion. Dammit it's too late for me to see, but the future of our children and the generations to come will either be of peace and compassion... or humanity will not survive.

Put OFF the chains of ignorance... Put on the power of reason, compassion and peace.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 02:36 AM

58. God that photo breaks my heart.

FUCK YOU bush/cheney!

Just FUCK YOU.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 02:42 AM

60. K&R

 

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 02:49 AM

61. These same twisted bastards

are still questioning our President over a birth certificate and other bullshit!

Look what happened to Dan Rather for asking questions about AWOL Bush's service record which has REAL holes in it! If they could find it of course.

To see Cheney deride this President makes me ANGRY!

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 03:27 AM

62. Bush and the NeoCons killed more Americans with the Iraq War than Osama Bin Laden did on 9/11

Sad fact

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 03:39 AM

66. Yes I felt pure rage

My nephew has no physical scars but that illegal war changed him forever

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 06:07 AM

72. I felt like I was watching the headline version of what actually happened.

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With so many details to present in only 1 hour some of it would have to be left out. However it seemed to leave out a bit more than I was comfortable with. The fact of Neo-Con connivance was far too understated. The link between Regan/Bush, Cheney/Rumsfeld, Feith/Wolfowitz, and events leading to the 2000 election, September 11 and beyond was completely left out.

It is one thing to show in their own words what was said and done to present the big lie. Yet another to show how significant individuals such as Zinni were not only aware of the truth at the time, but had been bypassed by the Cheney/Bush war machine. That Condi Rice, Dick Cheney, Doug Feith, and the others clearly knew that they were selling a completely fabricated case in argument to go to war is more than Hubris, it was murder with malice aforethought.

What the program made clear was that the lie was told with the knowledge that it was a complete lie by those people. What was not said was how much the Mainstream press, along with FOX news and Hate radio, convicted Iraq out of court and abetted the Bush Administration through direct action. NBC was not a pawn, nor was ABC News, CBS, or CNN. They were instead willing and eager sycophants to the great patriotic march to war, endlessly repeating the idea that it was the "American Thing to Do" to take down the bad guy. They shamelessly made it clear that no other choice was really tenable. They remain cheerleaders of the war to this day. None of them asked or pursued the obvious "Why" which could have diffused the avalanche.

But they were on board long before the war lie was told. They never questioned what happened during Campaign 2000. They participated with enthusiasm in white-washing the Bush Selection by the Supreme Court. Institutionally they failed to see anything wrong with the fence cages along the Inaugural Route...Or the people who put them there. It is hardly surprising that Big Media's Co-opting and cooperation in the war lie was so understated in this broadcast.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 06:45 AM

73. Dick Cheney is a fucking criminal

and he had better not step his sorry ass in Europe or risk getting arrested for war crimes.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 07:23 AM

74. The day after 9/11 I knew Bush would go to war and

when I expressed my worries about it a co-worker basically told me I should go live in another country and she declared that she would gladly lose some of her rights to be safe. Those of us who knew what was really going on were told to shut up or we were told we were unpatriotic and terrorist sympathizers.

After the war in Iraq started and I talked to another co-worker about the children that were being killed and maimed and traumatized by the Shock and Awe bombing and the American invasion my co-worker said she didn't care and that 'they' were all the same to her. All were terrorists and they should all die.

When Bush was 're-elected' the first co-worker expressed her wish that someone would assassinate him. She claimed everyone was duped by him. I reminder her of our conversation the day after 9/11. She had the decency to admit that I wasn't fooled. I told her there are a lot of us who weren't. I didn't feel any satisfaction in being able to say, "I told you so". What I felt was a profound sadness that it had happened and that people like her championed it though willful ignorance, racial hatred and jingoism.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 07:31 AM

75. My wife was so mad, she could hardly speak

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 07:53 AM

76. Bring back the Draft

It happened because the American people are so easily fooled over and over again. If we had a draft this shit would not happen if the politicians and the rich people kids were having to go and serve. Down the road it might be in 2 years or 5 years thet will again come before the American people and the American people will get hoodwinked again.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 07:54 AM

77. I think that the real purpose of showing Hubris at this

point in time was to shine the spotlight on how out of control the Republicans are. Their reaction on Benghazi shows them to be hypocrites when compared with all the lies that the Bush Administration told to get us to invade Iraq a second time. I wish that more reporters would call them out on their hypocrisy. I am so sick and tired of crazy people like Graham getting any air time on TV.

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Response to avebury (Reply #77)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 11:01 AM

88. Amen.

The Press and The President alike have been far too tolerant of this behavior. The Senate and the House likewise.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:51 AM

80. I'm listening to it as a podcast right now...

my blood boils with anger but, like you I can't get the thought of how many died because of moron* and his henchmen's folly for oil.

So many died, so many.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 09:57 AM

84. I'm sure that thought was universal, WillyT. I said

to my husband, "Can you imagine how the families feel? Or how you would feel if you were sitting watching this with a body that was missing a hand or both, or both legs, or any one of the common, severe injuries our men and women have suffered?" It made me sick to my stomach

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 10:57 AM

87. The neo-cons who formed the PNAC published their intentions years before they stole the election.

They petitioned President Clinton to invade Iraq. They published their plan to dominate the Middle
East and secure America's future into the next century. All of this was known but, conveniently ignored by the so-called journalists. Go to Wikipedia and read how they only needed a "Pearl Harbor" as a excuse to put their plan in action. Read how they dominated the Bush 43 administration. Its all there. And it was well known by a number of citizens, but never gained universal publication.

Nobody will ever do anything because the MSM will never fully inform the citizens how they cooperated in deceiving them. The only thing that can force our elected officials to act is intense public pressure and that will never happen in my lifetime. "Hubris" was a start, but it completely ignored the most important aspect of this disaster. The total failure of the Fourth Establishment and in fact became to Bush administration's ally in taking us to war.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 11:37 AM

90. K&R for my cousin's grandson who committed suicide following his second deployment.

And for all the other thousands of dead and injured soldiers. And for the millions of Iraqis who were killed and whose lives were ruined.

I watched Rachel's show. It was pretty much facts I already knew, rage-inducing and depressing as hell. I spent the hour spewing invectives at Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld, the whole lot of those evil and miserable excuses for human beings who led us into this misbegotten war. A pox on all of them!

Tired Old Cynic

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 11:47 AM

91. We the People absolutely must take control of corporations and government.

Because there's a 100% chance that they're going do it all over again somewhere else.

It's just a matter of time.

Unless we stop them before they start again.

Thanks, WillyT.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 02:16 PM

94. Where's John McCain? Scum bag hypocrite.

 

Johnny boy seems to have forgotten about a real coverup. And screw Lindsay too.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 02:19 PM

95. We are all to blame. Where were the protests against the war? The majority of Americans wanted

revenge and this is what we got. I remember being booed at for stating my opposition to the war. I remember good
friends angry with me because I thought it was a terrible idea. People who were liberals, democrats.

The majority of the country was behind Bush and the Iraq war. The powers that be have blood on their hands but so
do we. Hindsight is 20/20, where was the outrage back then?

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 02:20 PM

96. But for some reason we have to let the Republican war criminals off the hook

and 'move on'.

The BFEE/PNAC crowd will have the blood of the innocent on their hands for a long time. With no justice for the dead.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:04 PM

100. yes, but before we move on

we the people must make it known in a big, big way that we no longer tolerate an america & a government, nor leaders without heart.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 09:25 PM

104. <3

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