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Mon Feb 18, 2013, 08:48 AM

Though he is rarely mentioned, I think Colin Powell has a share of the blame for the Iraq War.

Living here in East Texas, I don't find many folks who share my "take" on most subjects involving politics. Thus it was that during discussions with my pals (read, arguments), with regard to precipitating a war with Iraq, I was alone in the opinion that we must not rush into a war based upon the purported "real" evidence.

I took a bit of "heat" with that position. I was and am comfortable with holding divergent views from my fellow Texans so long as those polemic discussions don't cause a rift in an otherwise good relationship. So it was that I conceded to hold my final decision in abeyance until I had the benefit of watching Colin Powell reveal the Bush Administrations "proof" before the United Nations assembly. You see, Colin Powell was the only member of that administration in whom I had any confidence at all. I felt that he wouldn't "roll over" merely to substantiate deliberate aggression. With his approval of the decision for war, I reluctantly conceded that war was inevitable.

Of course, in the days immediately following the initial strike of war, the "wind from Denmark" became particularly odorous as real evidence of the situation became available. Yet, every shred of actual evidence was ignored by the perpetrators of this trumped-up war. I was beginning to regret having confidence in Powell, seeing that the one fellow in whom I had confidence had "feet of clay."

During the years following the commencement of war against Iraq, I watched interviews in which Powell revealed what I considered to be arrogance in dealing with questions concerning the war decision. Later, I heard him declare that he thought that the war was necessary. I can't believe that a reasonable man would continue to hold an opinion that was proved false.

Anyway, it is my opinion that whenever condemnation is accorded to the authors of war in Iraq ~ Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, et al, ~ Colin Powell's name should be prominently mentioned.

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Reply Though he is rarely mentioned, I think Colin Powell has a share of the blame for the Iraq War. (Original post)
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1-Old-Man Feb 2013 #1
Javaman Feb 2013 #2
Walk away Feb 2013 #4
Walk away Feb 2013 #3
Mnpaul Feb 2013 #22
Walk away Feb 2013 #39
Mnpaul Feb 2013 #41
Franker65 Feb 2013 #5
Mnemosyne Feb 2013 #7
redqueen Feb 2013 #14
SomeGuyInEagan Feb 2013 #18
Mnemosyne Feb 2013 #24
marybourg Feb 2013 #28
DinahMoeHum Feb 2013 #23
Mnemosyne Feb 2013 #25
Mnemosyne Feb 2013 #47
Whisp Feb 2013 #33
polly7 Feb 2013 #6
samplegirl Feb 2013 #8
DirkGently Feb 2013 #9
jamesatemple Feb 2013 #12
DirkGently Feb 2013 #44
jamesatemple Feb 2013 #45
OnyxCollie Feb 2013 #10
Botany Feb 2013 #13
OnyxCollie Feb 2013 #38
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Mnemosyne Feb 2013 #48
Raffi Ella Feb 2013 #15
John2 Feb 2013 #17
calimary Feb 2013 #26
rdharma Feb 2013 #40
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Johonny Feb 2013 #19
Solly Mack Feb 2013 #20
ljm2002 Feb 2013 #21
rdharma Feb 2013 #27
FiggyJay Feb 2013 #29
Mnemosyne Feb 2013 #49
MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #30
La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2013 #31
William769 Feb 2013 #32
OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #34
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dem in texas Feb 2013 #36
Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #37
just1voice Feb 2013 #42
Capt. Obvious Feb 2013 #43
dembotoz Feb 2013 #46

Response to jamesatemple (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 08:58 AM

1. You are correct. His speech at the UN was little short of a war crime, and the CIA was complicit.

Take a look at Powell during his speech at the UN. Who is sitting right behind him? Who vetted the speech?

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Response to jamesatemple (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:02 AM

2. Share? He convinced a portion of the world with cartoons at the UN. He shares a giant portion.

He carried water for george w. moron* and has been on the longest apology tour since.

No matter what people say, I will never ever forgive him nor trust him.

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Response to Javaman (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:12 AM

4. I wish he really did confess his duplicity and apologize for being a ...

traitor to his country and (like Bush, Cheney, Rice and Rumsfeld) a mass murder.

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Response to jamesatemple (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:03 AM

3. He is the poster boy for lying us into Iraq!

Another non-hero who acts like he deserves respect instead of a jail sentence.

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Response to Walk away (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:44 AM

22. Iraq war,....

Iran Contra and the Vietnam war

Colin Powell, then a 31-year-old Army major, was charged with investigating the letter, which did not specifically reference Mỹ Lai (Glen had limited knowledge of the events there). In his report, Powell wrote, "In direct refutation of this portrayal is the fact that relations between Americal Division soldiers and the Vietnamese people are excellent." Powell's handling of the assignment was later characterized by some observers as "whitewashing" the atrocities of Mỹ Lai.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre

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Response to Mnpaul (Reply #22)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 01:00 PM

39. Yes, I have hated him for decades. He's scum!..

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Response to Walk away (Reply #39)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 01:50 PM

41. This is what happens when you only look forward

Henry Gonzales had impeachment papers written up on both Reagan and Bush Sr. They should have went forward.

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Response to jamesatemple (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:29 AM

5. He is a good man but should have stood up for what was right

They made a fool out of him at the UN. As a former general, he should have realised the implications of his actions.

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Response to Franker65 (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:49 AM

7. Sorry, but a good man would never have done what he did. He's another war criminal, imho. nt

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Response to Mnemosyne (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:09 AM

14. +1

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Response to Mnemosyne (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:27 AM

18. + 1000

Powell should be in prison - one of many - but one of the few who actually could have done something by getting up in front of the U.N. and denouncing the White House, quitting and walking away. I recall reading a Time or Newsweek piece from the time, quoting a Powell staffer who said before the speech Powell was ranting in the office about what BS he was being told to say to the U.N.

He knew. He is guilty of treason and war crimes.

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Response to SomeGuyInEagan (Reply #18)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:45 AM

24. Agree completely, he could have put a kibbutz on the whole thing, yet he chose not to and shall be

a traitor and a war criminal for eternity.

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Response to Mnemosyne (Reply #24)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:56 AM

28. That's "ki-BOSH'". "Kibbutz" is an Israeli commune. There's also a yiddish

word "KI'-bitz" which means a kidding commentary.

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Response to Mnemosyne (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:45 AM

23. A good man would have resigned his office. . .

. . .before agreeing to do what he did in front of the UN.

I call him "General Three-Fifths-Of-A-Man" for that reason.

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Response to DinahMoeHum (Reply #23)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:47 AM

25. He should spend the rest of his life in prison, but since that won't happen he should be publicly

shamed wherever he goes for the rest of his life. Disgusting pos.

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Response to DinahMoeHum (Reply #23)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 07:43 PM

47. I cannot believe there are so many apologists here defending him. The man is intelligent, he would

never be "misled" so easily.

Not sure I get your "General Three-Fifths-Of-A-Man". Meaning he isn't half the man he used to be? Pardon me for being dense, long day.

And then there was My Lai...

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Response to Franker65 (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 12:04 PM

33. how can a good man do what he did?

He most definitely is not a good man.

A good person cares about lies that kill thousands, tens of thousands and doesn't go along with them. He knew. The rotten turd knew.

fuck Powell, the scum.

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Response to jamesatemple (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:33 AM

6. Especially considering what he said in Feb., 2001

"Colin Powell, on a visit to Egypt, says that Saddam Hussein "has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors."

http://www.motherjones.com/bush_war_timeline



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Response to jamesatemple (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:04 AM

8. Hell yes he does

or should of came forward and blew the whistle!

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Response to jamesatemple (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:15 AM

9. Powell was complicit. But he alone has admitted he was wrong & expressed regret.


The rest -- Cheney, Rice, Miller, et al., are so despicable as to continue to pretend they were right.

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Response to DirkGently (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:59 AM

12. I had no idea that Powell "admitted he was wrong & expressed regret".

Could you provide a link, please? Even that admission wouldn't change my mind about him. How does one apologize for starting a war? But any evidence of his displaying a bit of humility and/or contriteness is unimaginable to me.

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Response to jamesatemple (Reply #12)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 05:43 PM

44. He's told Barbara Walters his U.N. testimony was a "blot on his record."

He did not apologize for starting a war or cop to any disingenuousness. He pins the situation on "bad intelligence" and regrets the American people were given the wrong information. Which is not the whole story by a long shot, but which is also miles beyond anything Cheney, et al, who still swear there was proof of a connection between Saddam and 9/11 have said.

You are being a little over-harsh in protesting that you can't imagine Powell showing any "humility and/or contriteness" though. He did and he has.


It was Powell who told the United Nations and the world that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and posed an imminent threat. He told Walters that he feels "terrible" about the claims he made in that now-infamous address -- assertions that later proved to be false.

When asked if he feels it has tarnished his reputation, he said, "Of course it will. It's a blot. I'm the one who presented it on behalf of the United States to the world, and will always be a part of my record. It was painful. It's painful now."

He doesn't blame former CIA Director George Tenet for the misleading information he says he pored over for days before delivering his speech; he faults the intelligence system.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Politics/story?id=1105979&page=1

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Response to DirkGently (Reply #44)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:29 AM

45. Thank you very kindly for providing that information.

I can form a better opinion of Powell as a result of your input.

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Response to jamesatemple (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:57 AM

10. It was Powell who claimed Saddam had manufactured the anthrax

at the same time the FBI knew Dr. Stephen Hatfill Dr. Bruce Ivins was the person responsible.

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Response to OnyxCollie (Reply #10)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:04 AM

13. Dr. Bruce Ivins was the fall guy (I think)

He did not have access to make the anthrax weaponized I think if you dig deep enough
you will find Cheney and others were behind the attacks.

Ivans was IDed as a suspect long after Cheney's talk in front of the UN but by DNA we had
already identified the source of the Anthrax as the US Army' base @ Ft. Detrick, MD.

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Response to Botany (Reply #13)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 12:55 PM

38. Definitely.

And I think Hatfill was investigated because he had lived in Zimbabwe.

Ever hear of Project Coast?
http://www.tucradio.org/091028AnthraxTWO.mp3

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Response to jamesatemple (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:59 AM

11. Never forget this moment



Blaming Iraq for anthrax when the bush administration knew that the anthrax that was used in the
attacks on reporters, the capital, and the National Enquirer was from Ft. Dettrick, MD army base.

I don't know if Powell knew this when he went in front of the UN but bush, Cheney, & Rummy sure did.

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Response to Botany (Reply #11)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 07:46 PM

48. He knew. See polly7's - post #6. nt

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Response to jamesatemple (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:11 AM

15. I agree with you.

I too trusted Colin Powell back then. Like you, if he said it then I believed it. At the time I was very naive, it was before I found DU, before I really knew anything about politics but I was interested and paying attention. Colin Powell was a big part of my belief at the time that war with Iraq was necessary.


It took me a long time to forgive myself and accept how very wrong I was. If I can do it then Colin Powell certainly can.

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Response to Raffi Ella (Reply #15)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:26 AM

17. I think Powell

 

was duped just like everybodyelse by the Bush Administration and is paying for it. He doesn't carry water for them anymore like Condi Rice is. He has even been very critical of the neocons. I think you have to thouroughly read Powell's biography before you make any judgments about his character. He had been a career soldier all his life and one of his strongest traits was being a loyal soldier. He has been loyal to the Republican Party because it was Ronald Reagon that gave him his first opportunity to rise through the ranks. I think that is what Powell is dealing with, so it is hard for him to break that loyality to those that gave him his first opportunity. I think he is evolving though after voting for a Democratic President for the first time. I really do believe Powell trusted the Bush Administration but they used him.

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Response to John2 (Reply #17)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:49 AM

26. Well, from what I read, he WASN'T duped. Remember those articles about him calling bullshit?

The night before or the day before he was supposed to go to the UN, he got pissed off and didn't want to do it, said it was bullshit, and made a stink, and said "I'm not gonna read that!"

Buuuuuuuuutttt - sure enough, the next day, there he is, at the UN, spouting all these lies so convincingly. Even my husband, who had tremendous respect for the guy, was one of many who said - "well... if colin powell says so, then I guess it must be true." At the time I remember seeing reports about cheney telling powell to do it because powell could afford to lose a few points in his public opinion ratings.

INFURIATING!!!!! And I'm sorry. If powell knew it was bullshit, and said so, and complained and balked, AND THEN CAVED, then he's as guilty as the rest of 'em. He could have said no. He could have refused. He could have - and SHOULD have - resigned. That would have gotten people's attention and MAYBE caused enough of the public to have second thoughts that we could have forestalled the damn war.

He's just as guilty. He was uniquely positioned to be able to mount a meaningful objection, using that clout that cheney looked at, hungrily, and decided deliberately and ruthlessly to exploit. colin powell should be held FULLY responsible and accountable, and if it means a war crimes tribunal for him, too, then so be it. He could have stopped this. He could have avoided this messy position he's in now. He had it in the palm of his hand. And he threw it away in order to get in bed with fucking Lucifer.

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Response to calimary (Reply #26)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 01:46 PM

40. He was complicit in war crimes!

 

Some have given him (Powell) a pass because he expressed "regret" later on. NOT ME!

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Response to jamesatemple (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:20 AM

16. I cut him no slack whatsoever. Utterly complicit. Never understood the "great man" thing.

Just another who opens his mouth and lies spew.

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Response to jamesatemple (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:28 AM

19. I think people cut him slack not because of anything Powell did

but because he alone of that administration caught most of the blame of the GOP voters. They still love Cheney, Rice, W, Rumsfeld, but because Powell is black and left the administration early they will dump on him. When the GOP dumps you under the bus democrats tend to ignore the negatives of a person. See Chuck Hagel the latest under the bus GOPer that suddenly is loved more because they hate him than because democrats actually care about Hagel's politics.

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Response to jamesatemple (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:33 AM

20. Powell is just like the rest of them (Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld, etc.)

A war criminal.

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Response to jamesatemple (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:40 AM

21. Why people trusted him to begin with...

...is a mystery to me.

He was a key person responsible for the My Lai coverup during the Vietnam War.

A leopard does not change its spots. Sure, it appears he resisted some elements of the UN speech at first. But ultimately he delivered the message the GWB administration wanted delivered.

He was no patsy and he was not duped. He decided based on how it would affect his career. If he were a person of integrity, once he realized they were trying to get him to go in front of the UN and spew evil nonsense, he could have done what others have done in similar situations: he could have told them to find someone else to do their dirty work, and resigned on the spot.

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Response to ljm2002 (Reply #21)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:54 AM

27. My Lai coverup

 

"He decided based on how it would affect his career."

Spot on!

I'm not giving Powell ...... (or any of the Democratic legislators who voted for the war)...... a pass!

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Response to jamesatemple (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 12:00 PM

29. I totally agree...

I too thought that Powell was a good and decent man. I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw him back up the Bush thugs. I really don't know how he can look himself in the mirror. Dubya and the others are sociopaths, so they don't care about the dead that they left in their wake. But Powell seemed so trustworthy and caring. I hope I live long enough to see them all in a tiny little jail cell.

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Response to FiggyJay (Reply #29)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 07:49 PM

49. You may be young, but many of us remember My Lai. He 'seemed' trustworthy/caring is the key word.

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Response to jamesatemple (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 12:01 PM

30. His hands are filthy dirty. Will never forget his disgusting dog'n'pony show at the UN.

 

He goes on the war criminal roster.

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Response to jamesatemple (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 12:02 PM

31. agreed

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Response to jamesatemple (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 12:03 PM

32. He is definitely part of that cabal.

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Response to jamesatemple (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 12:13 PM

34. I know this post will probably be unpopular in this thread, but in attempt to....

....provide some balance to the conversation, here goes:

Angry Colin Powell wants answers on Iraq WMD lies
February 17, 2011

QUOTE:

Ex-secretary of state Colin Powell called on the CIA and Pentagon to explain how he was given unreliable information which proved key to the US case for invading Iraq, the Guardian reported Wednesday.

Powell’s landmark speech to the United Nations on February 5, 2003, cited intelligence about Iraq leader Saddam Hussein’s bioweapons programme gained from a defector, codenamed Curveball.

But he has now admitted that he lied to topple the dictator, in an interview with the Guardian.

“It has been known for several years that the source called Curveball was totally unreliable,” Powell told the British newspaper.

“The question should be put to the CIA and the DIA (Defense Intelligence Agency) as to why this wasn’t known before the false information was put into the (report) sent to Congress, the president’s state of the union address and my 5 February presentation to the UN.”



.....plus....


New York Times Topics - Colin Powell
Feb 13, 2013

QUOTE:

Over the course of his career Mr. Powell became one of America’s most popular figures, representing to millions of people around the world the possibilities of the American dream. But Mr. Powell himself, as well as many opponents of the war in Iraq, consider that record tarnished by his service under President Bush, when he provided crucial support to the case that the threat of weapons of mass destruction justified the 2003 invasion.

....and....

Mr. Powell had a tumultuous tenure as President Bush’s first-term secretary of state, when he was frequently undercut by Vice President Dick Cheney and Donald H. Rumsfeld, the secretary of defense, in the period before the Iraq war. Although Mr. Powell had major misgivings about the war and what he considered the inadequate number of troops, he not only agreed to the invasion but also made the administration’s case for war in a presentation to the United Nations Security Council in February 2003.

Much of what he said is now known to be based on false information provided by the Central Intelligence Agency, and Mr. Powell’s friends say he remains angry over the episode.


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Response to jamesatemple (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 12:16 PM

35. The materials Powell presented to the UN were patently fraudulent

I had TV then and watched it live.

Powell had to have known the exhibits were frauds, he is not a stupid man.

Powell served up a cartoon to the UN.

I liked Powell then and thought he had a chance 5to be the first black POTUS.

But then he had participated in the My Lai cover-up during Vietnam.

Powell is a war criminal and mass murderer.

Those that have the authority to prosecute are now complicit and the USA will rue the day that our leaders lies failed the People of our nation and the world.

Look at what is happening to the Pope now and how long it took the blowback to bring justice to Axis leaders.

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Response to jamesatemple (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 12:19 PM

36. Another Texan Agrees

Yes, I was in the same boat, against the invasion of Iraq, arguing with my family and friends about the Iraq war being all wrong. I too thought that Powell was the only one that could be trusted in the Bush administration and fell for his United Nations presentation hook, line and sinker. All I can say now is if the did believe what he said, then he is not as smart as I though he was. So he was either lying or stupid and belongs on the junk pile of history.

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Response to jamesatemple (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 12:29 PM

37. That show at the UN wasn't for them. It was for the American Media....

All of them called it "a slam dunk".

It didn't convince our major allies AT ALL.

The media were flabbergasted that France and Germany said it was a load of crap and said they would veto any invasion.

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Response to jamesatemple (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 02:28 PM

42. Conspiracy to commit war is treason and he conspired to commit war

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_on_the_Record_Report

This report contains 237 claims for specific misleading statements made by:

* Colin Powell
* Donald Rumsfeld
* Condoleezza Rice
* George W. Bush
* Dick Cheney

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Response to jamesatemple (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 02:32 PM

43. I hold in my hand, this vial, which contains enough

bullshit to make you shit your pants.

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Response to jamesatemple (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:41 AM

46. i remember those days as i am sure most of you do.....

the country was whipped into a frenzy.
Powell was fed some kool aid too
AT THE TIME
we did not know how evil cheney and company were
AT THE TIME
we did not expect that they were out and out lying

we were all mislead

cheney , bush, rumsfeld belong is prison

powell is tainted but i do not see him as slammer material

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