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Mon Feb 18, 2013, 03:47 AM

 

Whenever laborís share of income rises a bit, they hold a recession



So all you economists out there, tell me why this doesnít show what I think it does: whenever laborís share of income rises a bit, they hold a recession. Which takes care of that problem quite nicely.

http://stopmebeforeivoteagain.org/2013/02/riddle-me-this-batman/


Dunno about the hypothesis in general, but I'm personally convinced that the Volker recessions were caused knowingly and deliberately, and specifically to crack down on labor and weed out small businesses.

ĒÖ as profit rates fall in the productive sectors of an economy, capitalists begin to shift their investable funds out of reinvestment in plant, equipment and labour power, and instead seek refuge in financial assets.

To fulfil their new role as not only store of value but as investment outlet for overaccumulated capital, those financial assets must be increasingly capable of generating their own self-expansion, and also be protected (at least temporarily) against devaluation in the form of both financial crashes and inflation.

Such emerging needs mean that financiers, who are after all competing against other profit-seeking capitalists for resources, induce a shift in the function of finance away from merely accommodating the circulation of capital through production, and increasingly towards both speculative and control functions.

The speculative function attracts further flows of productive capital, and the control function expands to ensure the protection and the reproduction of financial markets. Where inflation may be a threat, the control functions of finance often result in high real interest rates and a reduction in the value of labour- power (and hence lower effective demand).Ē

http://www.marxmail.org/faq/overproduction.htm

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HiPointDem Feb 2013 OP
OffWithTheirHeads Feb 2013 #1
Prometheus_unbound Feb 2013 #2
HiPointDem Feb 2013 #3
cali Feb 2013 #4
HiPointDem Feb 2013 #6
bemildred Feb 2013 #5

Response to HiPointDem (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 03:58 AM

1. Yup! The system is rigged. Until we chop their heads off, it will continue to be riGged

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Response to HiPointDem (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 06:53 AM

2. "They"

You make it sound like it is

1) A concerted and deliberate effort

2) A secret

It is no such thing. You live in an economic system based on profit. Whenever the investors feel they aren't profiting enough (i.e. high wage share), they fire workers and stop investing. This requires no organisation at all, just the sum of individual actions, although, yes, monetary policy does occasionally create deliberate recessions (1970, 1982, 1991, 2001 were deliberate; 1954, 1958, 1961, 1974-75, 1980 and 2008 weren't) when wages or prices seem to be rising too fast.

I do not disagree with the post, but I think that to treat things like a sort of conspiracy is kind of naive and optimistic: it assumes that people need to hide in order to do bad things. But this is not the case. They can do selfish, socially disruptive things in the open, and anyone who cares to examine the matter will know. Indeed, our economic system is built on this premise.

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Response to Prometheus_unbound (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 06:57 AM

3. "A concerted and deliberate effort" = it is.

 

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 07:03 AM

4. simplistic ways of thinking may be comforting to you

but they really don't explain much of anything.

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Response to cali (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 07:05 AM

6. lol. if it comforts you to think so, cali.

 

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Response to HiPointDem (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 07:04 AM

5. Yep, or they inflate your assets away, depending on the situation.

When the situation is inflationary (bubbles), you want to hold hard assets and sell near the top. When the situation is deflationary, you want to have that cash and buy up those hard assets at low prices near the bottom.

When they say "buy low, sell high", they mean them, not you, you get to do the opposite.

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