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Sun Feb 17, 2013, 06:34 PM

 

Obama's legacy/achievement: Destroying the Republican Party

I think of of Obama's lasting legacies will be that he was the President when teh Republican Party crumbled and dissolved. We see that the Republicans are against anything, at all, that Obama is for. He proposes the Affordable Care Act, which had a lot of stuff Republicans from the 90s wanted. But you saw how they reacted to it. He wants decent schools kids; nope, that's a socialist handout. He wants a jobs program for vets; nope that is big gubment. Hurricane relief, nope. On and on and on and on.

So basically they Republicans are destroying themselves to try and stop Obama. They are going further to the right to fight off primary challenges from the crazies in their district. They hate him so much, they will fall on their own sword to try and make him trip up. I really think Obama's Presidency will be the end of the Republican Party.

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Reply Obama's legacy/achievement: Destroying the Republican Party (Original post)
midwest irish Feb 2013 OP
LWolf Feb 2013 #1
graham4anything Feb 2013 #7
LWolf Feb 2013 #13
graham4anything Feb 2013 #14
LWolf Feb 2013 #16
graham4anything Feb 2013 #18
LWolf Feb 2013 #20
graham4anything Feb 2013 #21
LWolf Feb 2013 #22
graham4anything Feb 2013 #25
LWolf Feb 2013 #36
graham4anything Feb 2013 #38
Walk away Feb 2013 #34
Berlum Feb 2013 #2
woo me with science Feb 2013 #3
tridim Feb 2013 #4
99Forever Feb 2013 #26
kenfrequed Feb 2013 #30
MuseRider Feb 2013 #5
DCBob Feb 2013 #8
forestpath Feb 2013 #17
Bigbluebrush Feb 2013 #6
lunatica Feb 2013 #9
Jamaal510 Feb 2013 #19
msongs Feb 2013 #10
kenfrequed Feb 2013 #31
JHB Feb 2013 #11
WinkyDink Feb 2013 #12
graham4anything Feb 2013 #15
Bonobo Feb 2013 #23
dembotoz Feb 2013 #24
MineralMan Feb 2013 #27
kenfrequed Feb 2013 #32
MineralMan Feb 2013 #35
KG Feb 2013 #28
GoCubsGo Feb 2013 #29
southernyankeebelle Feb 2013 #33
Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2013 #37

Response to midwest irish (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 06:37 PM

1. Maybe.

I've also seen the Democratic Party leaving so many of us behind in the race to the top of the neoliberal heap. Whose legacy is that?

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Response to LWolf (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 06:48 PM

7. When exactly did President Obama dismantle anything liberal?

 

all the items are ones that SOME people wanted, but none of them actually are in effect.

Did President Obama dismantle climate control and take away anything that was in place stopping all the bad effects?

NO Because it never happened in the first place.

this is the biggest sleight of hand when Obama dislikers use things that never were and blame him for them never happening in the past and then sleight of hand saying he dismantled them.

THEY NEVER WERE

therefore one cannot dismantle something that never was to start off with.

Did President Obama say no to Gay marriage and take away Gay Marriage?
It was never the law, and now it has moved forward

Did President Obama take away single payer health care? NO because it never was, nor would it have passed in congress.

Did President Obama tell those in here who are not citizens that they are going to be put into concentration camps?
NO because they are soon going to be on a quick path to permanent status and citizenship

Did President Obama take away a woman's right to privacy? NO.

Did President Obama nominate Roberts Alito Scalia Thomas?
NO, he nominated two of the greatest justices in modern times.

Did President Obama block Elizabeth Warren from her senate seat, by lobbying for a different candidate or voting for Scott Brown?
NO he helped her get elected in the first place with his coattails and gave her an even better job than the one first thought of, and one that is hers to keep for 18-24 years if she wishes and I hope she does.

Did President Obama take away anything in place?
NO.

But the sleight of hand says that he took away someone's dessert after dinner, even though it is only 11am and lunch hasn't even been served yet.




but blame the President for everything.


Weeks ago Rush said President Obama wants to annihiliate the republicans.
Damn I hope for once Rush was correct.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 02:19 PM

13. Your rant attributes things to me I never said,

and misses the point entirely. I didn't mention Obama. You did.

Does Obama subscribe to, and support, neoliberal policies? Yes. Along with too many other corporate "centrist"/3rd way/ "New" Democrats.


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Response to LWolf (Reply #13)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 06:33 PM

14. JFK and Bobby are LESS liberal than President Obama. LBJ was the #1 most liberal

 

President Obama and Jimmy Carter and Ted Kennedy and Jerry Brown are equals.

funny thing is, some people hate all of them for some reason or other.

Go figure, I can't.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #14)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 07:33 PM

16. Again,

you don't seem to be able to address the point.

Does Obama subscribe to, and support, neoliberal policies? Yes. Along with too many other corporate "centrist"/3rd way/ "New" Democrats.

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Response to LWolf (Reply #16)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 08:22 PM

18. I 100% support Hillary Rodham Clinton as our 45th president, then Michelle Obama as our 46th.

 

I do not support Ralph Nader, John Anderson, Ross Perot, George Wallace, Jill Stein, Rand Paul, Ron Paul or anyone who throws elections to republicans.

The worst democratic person is 100times a better person, than Ralph Nader ever was, who threw an election in 2000 to George Bush.


Will you vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016? 2020?

I personally hope there is only one viable party in 2016, 2020, 2024, 2028, 2032, 2036, 2040.

I personally am for President Obama's agenda forever.

the thread is about President Obama demolishing the republicantealibertarian3rdparties.
Yup, I surely hope so.

President Obama nominated two of the greatest Supreme Court Justices ever, Kagan and Sotomayer.

Or do you support Alito/Scalia/Roberts/Thomas? President Obama didn't nominate any of those.

And I do hope President Clinton elevates President Obama to the US Supreme Court in 2018.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #18)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:09 AM

20. I 100% support

ANY non-neoliberal Democrat for ANY office, including POTUS, in '16 and '20.

I adamantly oppose any neoliberal, Democrat or otherwise, for ANY political office at any time.

My point, in this thread about the decline of the Republican Party, is that I also consider the Democratic Party to be in decline. Not in power, but on issues that affect the 99%.

That decline started before Obama. He's participated, it's true, but my post is not specifically about Barack Obama. You're the one who keeps trying to toss him into the ring.

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Response to LWolf (Reply #20)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:19 AM

21. This site is about electing DEMOCRATIC presidents come Nov. 2016

 

therefore if one doesn't vote for the democratic nominee, no matter whom it is, one is not doing what this site advocates for in its SOP

And President Obama is far to the left of JFK and RFK(who wiretapped Dr. King, btw, and no, I don't hold it against him.

And this thread is about destroying the republican party.

3rd partites like Wallace/Anderson/Nader/Jill Stein are the SINGLE LARGEST reason the republicans ever took any office in the first place.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #21)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:50 AM

22. I don't really think

I need your "education" about what this site is about. I've been here long enough. While supporting Democrats during elections is certainly one of them, it's certainly not the only, nor the primary, purpose. You bring up a point that supports my assertion, though. This site, like the Democratic Party, has moved further and further toward the center/right, the neoliberal "3rd way" "New Democrats," who are, imo, responsible for the decline in value of the Democratic Party. Which IS my point. Unlike yourself, I've been here long enough to watch it happen.

I haven't been talking about, and you won't find me talking about, who one votes for, or not. That's your thing, and has nothing, again, to do with my point.

I find your assertions about who Obama is "far to the left of" to be laughable, but again, that's not my point. My point isn't about Obama, but about the Democratic Party. You are the one who keeps bringing up Obama. I'm talking about party, not personality.

My post has nothing whatsoever to do with 3rd parties. That's YOUR thing.

If you feel so strongly about all these things that have nothing to do with my point, why not start a thread about them and rant to your heart's content? Why keep throwing them at my posts, which, in this thread, are not related to yours? I feel like I've stepped through the looking glass.

My post, in a thread about the decline of the Republican Party, simply points out that the Democratic Party is also declining. Just in a different way.

That breaks no site rules and is not about Obama, LBJ, JFK, RFK, MLK, or 3rd parties. It's not about who anyone votes for in '16, '20, or anytime. It's about the decline of the Democratic Party, and the simple fact that the Republican Party is not the only party to have changed, and, imo, changed for the worse.

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Response to LWolf (Reply #22)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 09:14 AM

25. I just cut and pasted the original post by the OP-NOWHERE is it talking about what you are.

 

"I think of of Obama's lasting legacies will be that he was the President when teh Republican Party crumbled and dissolved. We see that the Republicans are against anything, at all, that Obama is for. He proposes the Affordable Care Act, which had a lot of stuff Republicans from the 90s wanted. But you saw how they reacted to it. He wants decent schools kids; nope, that's a socialist handout. He wants a jobs program for vets; nope that is big gubment. Hurricane relief, nope. On and on and on and on.

So basically they Republicans are destroying themselves to try and stop Obama. They are going further to the right to fight off primary challenges from the crazies in their district. They hate him so much, they will fall on their own sword to try and make him trip up. I really think Obama's Presidency will be the end of the Republican Party. "

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so the funny thing is, what you just wrote in your response is what you are telling me to do.
Nowhere is this talking about democratic party at all.
Therefore...

I am for anything that destroys the republicantealibertarian3rdparty and keeps President Obama's agenda going forever.Because it is simply the best we have had since LBJ was President. (and the first 2 1/4 years of the Jimmy Carter age, where no one died on his watch).

and that is my opinion.

Because well, how would John McCain, Bob Dole, Sarah Palin, Jeb Bush, Mitt Romney

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #25)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 08:30 AM

36. Actually,

if you count the thread title, it repeats Republicans "crumbling and dissolving," "destroying themselves," etc. several times.

Noting that the Republican Party is not the only party on a path of destructive change is certainly on topic.

"so the funny thing is, what you just wrote in your response is what you are telling me to do. "

I think the only thing I suggested that you do was to take the things you obviously feel so passionately about, that don't have anything to do with my comments, to a wider audience.

Do you get that I am not talking about Obama, and that you are like a gnat trying to crawl up my nose and insert Obama into my topic when he doesn't belong there?

While I'm not really interested in your opinion, you've certainly made it clear about Obama, even though my comments were not about him. I get that you are a big fan of Obama. I get some other things, too, that you probably didn't want me to, but that's okay.

Do you have anything to say about the changes in the Democratic Party that are not about Obama, or do you just want to keep on chatting about him? If so, you're going to be talking to the wall, because I'm not talking, nor, at this point, listening to you talk, about Obama.

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Response to LWolf (Reply #36)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 08:56 AM

38. The revolution was won in 2008. I am using the ProNoun Obama as an adjective,verb,or adverb.

 

The revolution was won in 2008.
I for one, and the vast majority of the Obama revolution, wouldn't want a counter counter counter revolution

But what would be wanted is a continuation.

The revolution won in 2008 was coached by President Obama and Team Obama.
You cannot separate anything good from him, because he is here and now and the continuation of his team and agenda will continue in 2016 and 2020 if the democratic candidate wins

Of course, not voting for it will mean that (as there are only 2 choices) the republican would win if the democratic candidate didn't.
It's not like a 3rd party will win or be anything more than someone who throws it to one side or the other.

So more than using President Obama as a pronoun, the Obama agenda can be a verb, adverb, or adjective.

And the revolution was won in 2008.

The best example would be the USSR.
Gorby tore down communism and brought in democracy.
Then the people tore Gorby down
and what did it lead to?
Putin and the reemergence of communism.
Shame they didn't leave in what Gorby's revolution won.

be careful what one wishes or reaches for.

and I don't see that there are any changes in the party that were any different than the 1970s liberals.

The superstar protesters in the 1960s would have back then been called radicals.
Most as they grew up became Liberal Democratic voters or office holders
Some became conservatives
Most of them would have or did support President Obama's revolution.
(see Mark Rudd's website where indeed he fully supported President Obama and also said
that some of the thoughts of 60s protesting weren't the correct ones/ or are not applicable to this day and age).

The Superstar protesters in the 60s would almost to a person be supporters of President Obama, including the legendary Mark Rudd who on his website indicates so (though the site don't appear to be updated in the last 18 months).

John Lennon himself would have been side by side with President Obama.(like Yoko is).

This 100% of everything is never attainable and won't ever be and wasn't in the past.
Absolutism never works. But its great for allowing wiggle room to whine because something always won't be perfect.

That's life.

imho.

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Response to LWolf (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 09:41 AM

34. I don't think that ther is anything new about centerist Democrats. nt

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Response to midwest irish (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 06:37 PM

2. A noble service to posterity

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Response to midwest irish (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 06:38 PM

3. And adopting most of their policies!

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No, the Republican Party is not dying. It is merely dramatically "wounded," (while the Corporate Democrats carefully continue and protect the corporate/neocon agenda)..so that we continue to focus on "us" versus "them" and rally into our two teams for its inevitable resurgence.

The two parties, and the constant exciting battle between them, are essential for the one percent to continue doing what they are doing to all of us. They need to depend that, no matter which party is in power, we hate each other and are so threatened by each other that we will continue to rally in defense of everything our team does...even when the two teams are taking turns enacting the same predatory agenda.


Corporate and bank-cozy appointments, over and over again
Bailouts and settlements for corrupt banks (with personal pressure from Obama to attorneys general to approve them),
Refusal to prosecute even huge, egregious examples of bank fraud (i.e, HSBC)
NDAA to allow indefinite detention,
"Kill lists" and claiming of the right to assassinate even American citizens without trial
Maintaining Guantanamo Bay and the Patriot Act,
Expansion of wars into several new countries
A renewed public support for the concept of preemptive war
Drone campaigns in multiple countries with whom we are not at war
Proliferation of military drones in our skies
Federal targeting of Occupy for surveillance and militarized response to peaceful protesters
Fighting all the way to the Supreme Court for warrantless surveillance
Fighting all the way to the Supreme Court for strip searches for any arrestee
Increase of media consolidation into the hands of corporate giants
Internet-censoring and privacy-violating measures like ACTA and the new CISPA-like executive order
Support for corporate groping and naked scanning of Americans seeking to travel
A new, massive spy center for warrantless access to Americans' phone calls, emails, and internet use
Support of legislation to legalize such spying
Militarized police departments, through federal grants
Marijuana users and medical marijuana clinics under assault,
Skyrocketing of the budget for prisons.
Supporting a bipartisan vote in Congress to gut more financial regulations.
Passionate speeches and press conferences promoting austerity for Americans, while the
Bush tax cuts were extended for billionaires.
Support for the payroll tax holiday, tying SS to the general fund
Support for the vicious chained CPI cut in Social Security and benefits for the disabled
Social security, Medicare, and Medicaid offered up as bargaining chips in budget negotiations, with no mention of cutting corporate welfare or the military budget
Multiple new free trade agreements, including The Trans-Pacific, otherwise known as "NAFTA on steroids."
Growth of the power of lobbyists to prevent government regulation of corporations.
Support of drilling, pipelines, and selling off portions of the Gulf of Mexico
Expansion of military support into Mali
Corporate education policy including high stakes corporate testing and closures of public schools.

In every major policy area that interests the one percent (i.e., that can be translated into profits), this administration has fought aggressively for an agenda that would make George W. Bush proud.

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 06:42 PM

4. That would suck if it were true.

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Response to tridim (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 09:19 AM

26. Wow!

What a stunning and detailed rebuttal!

A master stroke indeed.


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Response to tridim (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 09:32 AM

30. Oh come on...

There are some salient points in that laundry list. Wouldn't it be better to point out the specific areas that are not true and acknowledge the places where we desperately need improvement? I mean, it might not sound as good as say... the caption under a lolcatz meme, but it would go closer to a dialogue.

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 06:45 PM

5. That really does help.

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 06:49 PM

8. nonsense.

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 07:37 PM

17. +1 and picking up where they left off.

 

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Response to midwest irish (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 06:45 PM

6. Obama serves the same role as Reagan...

...in busting up the opposing party. And this can take decades to play out. Since Reagan's time, Democrats have been on the defense until now. It's only been inthe past few years that Dems could run on Democratic themes.

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Response to midwest irish (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 06:51 PM

9. The Republican Party needs to die, as it is now.

Any party who's main objective is to ruin the country just because President Obama is Black needs to die. Period.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:08 PM

19. +1

I believe in a multi-party system as much as the next guy, but the GOP doesn't even offer any policies that would help the greater good anymore. They haven't earned their nickname of "Party of No" for nothing.

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Response to midwest irish (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 07:36 PM

10. republicans control the house and senate. how are they "destroyed" nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #10)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 09:34 AM

31. Uhm...

Actually the GOP doesn't control the US Senate. The only thing they can do in the Senate is to block and fillibuster everything that moves.

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Response to midwest irish (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 07:40 PM

11. I'll tell you what: when we can look back 10 years later and say...

..."that was when the Republican Party was destroyed", I will praise you until the high heavens.

But until then don't count it out.

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Response to midwest irish (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 08:53 PM

12. That's what we thought in 1964.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #12)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 06:41 PM

15. People should have begged LBJ to run in 1968. He would have beaten Nixon.

 

HHH was not a good candidate, he was a helleva nice bright guy, but he ran with all the baggage of LBJ and none of the achievements, making him a bad candidate.

LBJ would have knocked Nixon out.

and LBJ was the #1 most liberal candidate on all domestic and social issues of the time.

Well to the left of the JFK and RFK, but most people have fuzzy vision with the Kennedy's.

Teddy was also well left of his two brothers, great as both JFK and RFK were.

People's memories are also fuzzy in that it was no done deal that RFK would have gotten the nomination, far from it. Most think HHH would have prevailed anyhow.

It's a shame. 1972 could have been the year RFK became President(and 1976), and then Teddy in 1980 and 1984.

LBJ should have by the people been drafted into the race as he would have beaten Nixon and the others didn't.

Remember because LBJ wasn't in the race, it allowed Wallace to win a helleva lot of electoral votes. (Wallace being the Nader of the day that year, taking away Democratic votes and letting the republican slide in).

imho

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Response to midwest irish (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:54 AM

23. In much the same way the Rome destroyed Greece. nt

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Response to midwest irish (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:55 AM

24. the republican party is alive and well in wisconsin

they control pretty much everything
their farm teams are wll stocked
their wallets are full

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Response to midwest irish (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 09:20 AM

27. In reality, the GOP has not been destroyed.

When it has been destroyed, you will see a large Democratic majority in the House. That is not the case.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #27)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 09:37 AM

32. Were it not for Gerrymandering...

We probably would have picked up a lot more seats in the house and it would have been close. This combined with a majority in the Senate would have made it difficult for anyone to take the Republican party seriously.

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Response to kenfrequed (Reply #32)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 09:47 AM

35. Perhaps, but you see,

the Republican majorities in state legislatures are responsible for that very gerrymandering. Once again, the GOP has not been destroyed. My point still stands.

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Response to midwest irish (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 09:23 AM

28. this obit is premature, and any wounds were entirely self inflicted.

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Response to midwest irish (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 09:32 AM

29. If they are eventually destroyed, it will be by their own hand.

They have been self-destructing long before Barack Obama ever came around. Sure, his election and re-election drove them over the edge, but he didn't cause their lunacy. The got that way all by themselves.

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Response to midwest irish (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 09:40 AM

33. I have never seen a party like the republicans who are made up of whiney babies who

 

need to have their diapers changed.

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Response to midwest irish (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 08:37 AM

37. Here's an excellent article from last September that I think suggests that you might be correct

http://thegrio.com/2012/09/13/from-jack-ryan-to-mitt-romney-obamas-foes-tend-to-self-destruct/

The Republicans' hatred of President Obama is even more damaging and pathological than their hatred of the Clintons back in the 1990's- and that was a LOT of hate.

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