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Sun Feb 17, 2013, 11:46 AM

I find the biggest critics of "Obamacare"...




...know virtually nothing about it other than what their RW "news" feeds and blogs have told them.
Rightwingers never take the time to go to their State or Federal websites to go over the actual details in a non-partisan way.

I have my issues with it from the Left but I do realize 2014 will be a vast improvement over what we have had so far.
In 2014 we are going from a condition-based insurance model to an affordability or income-based model and this is a profound change.


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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 11:54 AM

1. If it weren't for misinformation,

Wingnut World would have no information at all.

Saddam caused 9-11.
He had WMD.
Obama is a socialist.
Obamacare is gonna destroy Medicare.
The US has the best healthcare in the world.
Minimum wage is costing us jobs.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 04:29 PM

13. Obama is a socialist *Kenyan Mooslim*, dammit!

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 05:24 PM

15. Global warming is a conspiracy

to cause world gubmint to come into being or Global warming is caused by God and can't be altered.
Homosexuality is a choice.
Women must have husbands and fathers for their children or the children will become criminals
You need a gun to defend yourself. If you have one, then criminals and others will leave you alone. If you don't have one, they consider you vulnerable.
The Christian Religion is persecuted in this nation.
Immigrants come to a) take jobs and b) go on welfare (brown skinned immigrants)
People can always get jobs. Therefore if they don't have one, it is laziness. If there are no jobs going, then one can easily start up a business.
Failing to wear a flag pin means you are not patriotic.
Bowing to leaders of other nations make us look weak and vulnerable and therefore we will be attacked. Look how the Japanese attacked us again right after the President bowed to their emperor. Oh, wait.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 12:02 PM

2. People that hate "Obamacare" can't be reasoned with either

I get the left-wing/progressive criticisms of it as they are grounded in some reality about some of the limitations about the law but right-wing criticisms are little more than scaremongering about things that are (likely) not going to happen or at least could easily be fixed if necessary. What I keep hearing from them is how "Obamacare" is such a terrible affront to personal liberty and represent government tyranny even though most of the people complaining about it already have health insurance coverage (sometimes great insurance coverage) and wouldn't be affected at all by the mandate anyway. They seem to represent this really selfish "I've got mine, FU!" attitude that represents the worst of humanity and lack of concern about other people. Plus, they have no alternatives that would help more people gain coverage and, as NPR reported sometime last year, they aren't even really concerned about affordable health coverage anymore (if they ever were). They just want to get rid of "Obamacare" and basically go back to the way things were.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 12:07 PM

3. You are right. It is a combination of people who have no real wealth who have bought into

"selfishness is the new charity" and greedy business people who don't want to give up profits to help the people who helped them make the profits

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 12:18 PM

4. Obamacare is great for those who can afford it,

or those who fall into the income group that it helps.

Failure to regulate insurance companies allowed insurers to jack the cost of insurance so high that our small non-profit was forced to eliminate benefits. Now all of our staff is uninsured because they cannot afford to buy insurance.

I understand that there are some good changes that have come about, but many of those changes are only effective for people that can actually afford to buy insurance.

Folks who make between minimum wage and $12/hr can't afford insurance. The cost of living has skyrocketed, and wages have essentially gone down in general.

We need universal public health care, Canadian style, starting yesterday.

I only hope that in 2014 insurance really does become affordable, because I know a whole lot of people who do not get medical care unless they are dying because they live day to day and can't afford it. One relatively serious medical problem and these folks are financially ruined forever.

There's a lot of them out there.

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Response to Zorra (Reply #4)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 12:28 PM

6. tax breaks or not I can't afford the up front cost of $925/month in premiums that I am paying right

now. Single Payer is the only form of healthcare that will truly help people.

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Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 02:26 PM

10. Tax credits can be used when you enroll

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 12:23 PM

5. I guess it depends what you mean by "affordable".

 

Look at the pool of funds they provided for those who are uninsurable...it's out of $ for any new participants. That doesn't boost confidence in their numbers.

The thing is I have a feeling it won't be affordable for many and it will get worse and worse. And then when we realize that this historic piece of legislation didn't do much for costs, and we need to change the system completely then we will have the whole debate again. The question is will the populace trust the government to run single payer after the ACA.

This plan needed some real ability to lower costs...it needed a public option open to all.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 12:30 PM

7. I like to tell them that it's official name is the PATIENT PROTECTION & Affordable Care Act and then

I try to get a chance to ask them what they think "Patient Protection" might mean. You usually get garbage in response to questions like that, but what I'm trying to do is to get them to hypothesize HOW, nuts-and-bolts-wise, the government could go about protecting patients.

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Response to patrice (Reply #7)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 12:36 PM

8. PATIENT PROTECTION, the first step in HOW, link:

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 12:39 PM

9. I can no longer insure my son under his own policy (insurance companies do this to get

around having to insure children with preexisting conditions)

He can not be a rider on my high-risk insurance (which I cannot afford at the current rates anyway).

There is a gap there that I, as being from the Left, can see.

So I do what is my only option. I've tripled my life insurance so that at least he's taken care of.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 02:30 PM

11. I turn 26 the same year the state exchanges and federal subsidies start working...

 

I'll go from my father's plan to a subsidized plan.

I love Obamacare.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 04:28 PM

12. Actually,

I don't have any "RW 'news' feeds and blogs."

My criticisms of "Obamacare" are the following:

1. It is still for-profit insurance, not care.

2. Premiums still cost enough to pay a small mortgage, and there are still deductibles and copays after that. My premiums have risen higher, faster, under "obamacare" than they did before. My deductibles and copays are higher, too. I still can't afford to use the fucking insurance I'm paying too much for.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 05:17 PM

14. Would you like to hear some that are not? n/t

 

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 05:25 PM

16. I also notice two other kinds of people:

1. Right wing CEOs who are speaking out against it for partisan gain.

2. Out of shape, morbidly obese people who don't want anyone else getting their slice of the cut, so to speak. These are the low information voters that Bill Maher warns us about.

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