Sat Feb 16, 2013, 03:16 PM

cali (80,288 posts)

PSA: Israel does not control the U.S. Government.

Does it have influence on the U.S. Government? Sure. Does it have undue influence or too much influence on U.S. foreign policy? I believe it does.

But that is not even close to the same thing as claiming that Israel controls the U.S. government.

And I shouldn't need to explain that that kind of claim has a long and sordid history. It's perilously close to the classic anti-semitic trope that Jews are behind the scene puppeteers of governments.

Btw, just check out a few of these links from a google search of Israel controls America.

It's as ugly a display of bigotry as one could ever find.

http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&tab=ww&q=%20#hl=en&tbo=d&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=israel+controls+america&oq=+Israel+controls+&gs_l=hp.1.0.0l9.2815.6669.1.9233.16.16.0.0.0.0.227.2213.4j11j1.16.0.les%3Bcrnk_timediscounta.1.0.0...1.1.3.hp.YSIALxKd1J0&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.42553238,d.dmg&fp=650e83a55f34ea61&biw=1240&bih=553

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PSA: Israel does not control the U.S. Government. (Original post)	cali	Feb 2013	OP
So few care. The false Bill Maher quote has so many squealing "SEE! SEE!"	Behind the Aegis	Feb 2013	#1
I believe the difference between GB and Israel is that GB does not live in an area	WCGreen	Feb 2013	#17
Does living in an area that demands a "constant defensive posture"	R. Daneel Olivaw	Feb 2013	#38
Sure doesn't, but the fact is that corner of the earth has been fought over since people	WCGreen	Feb 2013	#40
The false Bill Maher quote? Was something attributed to him that was false, or did	R. Daneel Olivaw	Feb 2013	#32
The quote being used in a few posts here are false in that he didn't say it.	Behind the Aegis	Feb 2013	#39
Well he did say it. It makes for interesting dialog.	R. Daneel Olivaw	Feb 2013	#44
No, he didn't. I suggest you go to that lie of thread and open it.	Behind the Aegis	Feb 2013	#45
What Bill Maher said.	R. Daneel Olivaw	Feb 2013	#49
That is not the quote. YOU changed it!	Behind the Aegis	Feb 2013	#50
You really need to take a break. You are becoming unhinged.	R. Daneel Olivaw	Feb 2013	#52
That's the best you have? Drunk, drugs, unhinged?	Behind the Aegis	Feb 2013	#54
Try to take a step back.	R. Daneel Olivaw	Feb 2013	#59
Ellipsis and commas have different uses and can alter a statement's meaning.	Behind the Aegis	Feb 2013	#60
Alright. My apologies to you as well.	R. Daneel Olivaw	Feb 2013	#61
We are on the same page then in regards to this particular issue.	Behind the Aegis	Feb 2013	#62
Not having heard this before, here's what I discern. That's a poorly worded sentence whose meaning	Honeycombe8	Feb 2013	#64
That's why I provided the link to the video.	R. Daneel Olivaw	Feb 2013	#65
Well, I'm moving on. I've read 5 or 6 of your posts. None have links. nt	Honeycombe8	Feb 2013	#66
Psssst. It's close to the top of this sub thread..."What Bill Maher said"	R. Daneel Olivaw	Feb 2013	#67
I found it elsewhere. I hereby proclaim what Maher meant:	Honeycombe8	Feb 2013	#68
The problem is the quote is being misused.	Behind the Aegis	Feb 2013	#69
Oh, I see. That sucks. He didn't say that. But actually, I wondered that myself...	Honeycombe8	Feb 2013	#70
the difference between "control" and "undue influence" seems subtle to me	Enrique	Feb 2013	#2
I haven't looked at your link, but...	DisgustipatedinCA	Feb 2013	#3
Well, we certainly appear to have their back all the time in any case	quinnox	Feb 2013	#4
"Always vetoing stuff at the U.N." LOL!	Behind the Aegis	Feb 2013	#5
well, let's hope it doesn't ever mean World War 3	quinnox	Feb 2013	#11
I very highly doubt it will lead to WWIII, quinnox.	AverageJoe90	Feb 2013	#12
Then you might want to start reading up on another "I" country; INDIA.	Behind the Aegis	Feb 2013	#13
Actually the US has often veteod UN resolutions condemning Israeli actions.	pennylane100	Feb 2013	#14
He didn't say that did he? Nope. He said "always."	Behind the Aegis	Feb 2013	#16
It is always easier to quibble about details	pennylane100	Feb 2013	#26
Quibble about details? You mean correct false information with actual facts?	Behind the Aegis	Feb 2013	#28
Are you saying that the information about US veteos in support of Israel are false.	pennylane100	Feb 2013	#33
I am saying, very clearly, so as you are not to miss this, again...	Behind the Aegis	Feb 2013	#41
We could go on all night,	pennylane100	Feb 2013	#55
Losing your talking points list?	Behind the Aegis	Feb 2013	#56
Security Council and Israel	Katashi_itto	Feb 2013	#27
Hey hey, watch that anti Semitism...	NightWatcher	Feb 2013	#6
Yeah, because the number of threads here on DU	PCIntern	Feb 2013	#9
Are those countries occupying Palestinian territory for decades with our money?	Comrade Grumpy	Feb 2013	#15
No, but some of them are doing other bad things in the world	LeftishBrit	Feb 2013	#78
Ho many of those countries are presently occupying and colonizing	R. Daneel Olivaw	Feb 2013	#34
And how many are doing it with US tax dollars?	JackRiddler	Feb 2013	#43
that's such garbage- at least as pertains to DU	cali	Feb 2013	#21
Thought we were.	Katashi_itto	Feb 2013	#30
"I bet if Israel was attacked, we (the United States) would ride to their rescue"	oberliner	Feb 2013	#8
probably, but that doesn't make it any better	quinnox	Feb 2013	#10
Foreign policy, undue influence? Absolutely. Any other aspect, no.	TwilightGardener	Feb 2013	#7
I wonder if people even realize why we have an obligation	DevonRex	Feb 2013	#18
Quick point...	Behind the Aegis	Feb 2013	#19
Yes, you're right. The UK protectorate.	DevonRex	Feb 2013	#23
And payment for Israel allying itself with the USA was the USAs continued acceptance	R. Daneel Olivaw	Feb 2013	#35
According to you and similar people.	Behind the Aegis	Feb 2013	#42
Of the 69 vetos by the USA at the UN 32 were vetos in favor of Israel.	R. Daneel Olivaw	Feb 2013	#46
And?	Behind the Aegis	Feb 2013	#47
I never mentioned that, my friend, and I was staying with the program.	R. Daneel Olivaw	Feb 2013	#51
Well, my friend, the person to whom I responded orignially said "ALWAYS".	Behind the Aegis	Feb 2013	#53
You were responding to DevonRex in this sub thread.	R. Daneel Olivaw	Feb 2013	#57
Ooops...you are correct!	Behind the Aegis	Feb 2013	#58
When you replied "According to you and similar people"	R. Daneel Olivaw	Feb 2013	#63
We can certainly do better, we just choose not to.	pennylane100	Feb 2013	#20
Simple population growth. The Arab population continues to outstrip the Israeli one.	Katashi_itto	Feb 2013	#29
every ethnic group has endured a level of bias in immigration laws	tnvoter	Feb 2013	#81
Support for extreme right israeli policies have become a litmus test.	Warren Stupidity	Feb 2013	#22
AIPAC has only two donors.	Katashi_itto	Feb 2013	#24
Rather, the same corporate elite have undue influence on both governments. nt	RedCappedBandit	Feb 2013	#25
I was with you until . . .	TomClash	Feb 2013	#31
It's not a card. It's called historical context. And the use of "card" is as offensive	cali	Feb 2013	#73
Anything and everything can be historical context	TomClash	Feb 2013	#79
Well Cali	RobertEarl	Feb 2013	#36
Cali is right that Israel does not control the USG	TomClash	Feb 2013	#37
No, it is not passive	RobertEarl	Feb 2013	#48
what is it you want to say that you believe you can't say here because of Israel supporters?	cali	Feb 2013	#74
Message auto-removed	helveticas	Feb 2013	#71
I've been here for a long time. You've been a member for 2 days.	cali	Feb 2013	#76
Actually no one is trying to tell you that	TomClash	Feb 2013	#80
Making a PSA thread won't convince anyone	LittleBlue	Feb 2013	#72
Actually, what I posted is factual.	cali	Feb 2013	#75
I would add to that...	LeftishBrit	Feb 2013	#77

Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 03:34 PM

Behind the Aegis (27,688 posts)

1. So few care. The false Bill Maher quote has so many squealing "SEE! SEE!"

Influence? You bet! So does GB, SA, and several others, but those, for some reason, don't matter. I disagree with your assessment about too much influence, but you, unlike so many at least say "foreign policy!" It has become now that Israel controls all our policies and it is absurd.

PSA: Israel does not control the U.S. Government.

1. So few care. The false Bill Maher quote has so many squealing "SEE! SEE!"

17. I believe the difference between GB and Israel is that GB does not live in an area

38. Does living in an area that demands a "constant defensive posture"

40. Sure doesn't, but the fact is that corner of the earth has been fought over since people

32. The false Bill Maher quote? Was something attributed to him that was false, or did

39. The quote being used in a few posts here are false in that he didn't say it.

44. Well he did say it. It makes for interesting dialog.

45. No, he didn't. I suggest you go to that lie of thread and open it.

49. What Bill Maher said.

50. That is not the quote. YOU changed it!

52. You really need to take a break. You are becoming unhinged.

54. That's the best you have? Drunk, drugs, unhinged?

59. Try to take a step back.

60. Ellipsis and commas have different uses and can alter a statement's meaning.

61. Alright. My apologies to you as well.

62. We are on the same page then in regards to this particular issue.

64. Not having heard this before, here's what I discern. That's a poorly worded sentence whose meaning

65. That's why I provided the link to the video.

66. Well, I'm moving on. I've read 5 or 6 of your posts. None have links. nt

67. Psssst. It's close to the top of this sub thread..."What Bill Maher said"

68. I found it elsewhere. I hereby proclaim what Maher meant:

69. The problem is the quote is being misused.

70. Oh, I see. That sucks. He didn't say that. But actually, I wondered that myself...

2. the difference between "control" and "undue influence" seems subtle to me

3. I haven't looked at your link, but...

4. Well, we certainly appear to have their back all the time in any case

5. "Always vetoing stuff at the U.N." LOL!

11. well, let's hope it doesn't ever mean World War 3

12. I very highly doubt it will lead to WWIII, quinnox.

13. Then you might want to start reading up on another "I" country; INDIA.

14. Actually the US has often veteod UN resolutions condemning Israeli actions.

16. He didn't say that did he? Nope. He said "always."

26. It is always easier to quibble about details

28. Quibble about details? You mean correct false information with actual facts?

33. Are you saying that the information about US veteos in support of Israel are false.

41. I am saying, very clearly, so as you are not to miss this, again...

55. We could go on all night,

56. Losing your talking points list?

27. Security Council and Israel

6. Hey hey, watch that anti Semitism...

9. Yeah, because the number of threads here on DU

15. Are those countries occupying Palestinian territory for decades with our money?

78. No, but some of them are doing other bad things in the world

34. Ho many of those countries are presently occupying and colonizing

43. And how many are doing it with US tax dollars?

21. that's such garbage- at least as pertains to DU

30. Thought we were.

8. "I bet if Israel was attacked, we (the United States) would ride to their rescue"

10. probably, but that doesn't make it any better

7. Foreign policy, undue influence? Absolutely. Any other aspect, no.

18. I wonder if people even realize why we have an obligation

19. Quick point...

23. Yes, you're right. The UK protectorate.

35. And payment for Israel allying itself with the USA was the USAs continued acceptance

42. According to you and similar people.

46. Of the 69 vetos by the USA at the UN 32 were vetos in favor of Israel.

47. And?

51. I never mentioned that, my friend, and I was staying with the program.

53. Well, my friend, the person to whom I responded orignially said "ALWAYS".

57. You were responding to DevonRex in this sub thread.

58. Ooops...you are correct!

63. When you replied "According to you and similar people"

20. We can certainly do better, we just choose not to.

29. Simple population growth. The Arab population continues to outstrip the Israeli one.

81. every ethnic group has endured a level of bias in immigration laws

22. Support for extreme right israeli policies have become a litmus test.

24. AIPAC has only two donors.

25. Rather, the same corporate elite have undue influence on both governments. nt

31. I was with you until . . .

73. It's not a card. It's called historical context. And the use of "card" is as offensive

79. Anything and everything can be historical context

36. Well Cali

37. Cali is right that Israel does not control the USG

48. No, it is not passive

74. what is it you want to say that you believe you can't say here because of Israel supporters?

76. I've been here for a long time. You've been a member for 2 days.

80. Actually no one is trying to tell you that

72. Making a PSA thread won't convince anyone

75. Actually, what I posted is factual.