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Sat Feb 16, 2013, 03:08 PM

Just to set the record straight ...

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Reply Just to set the record straight ... (Original post)
Scuba Feb 2013 OP
Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #1
HappyMe Feb 2013 #2
Scuba Feb 2013 #3
The Wizard Feb 2013 #35
rhett o rick Feb 2013 #4
abelenkpe Feb 2013 #11
rhett o rick Feb 2013 #14
demwing Feb 2013 #19
rhett o rick Feb 2013 #20
ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #5
mokawanis Feb 2013 #6
Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #7
FreeBC Feb 2013 #8
donheld Feb 2013 #29
mwooldri Feb 2013 #36
Cosmocat Feb 2013 #9
Herlong Feb 2013 #13
Cosmocat Feb 2013 #30
TxDemChem Feb 2013 #10
Behind the Aegis Feb 2013 #12
retrogal Feb 2013 #16
Behind the Aegis Feb 2013 #17
NewJeffCT Feb 2013 #22
Behind the Aegis Feb 2013 #27
SmileyRose Feb 2013 #25
Behind the Aegis Feb 2013 #26
KharmaTrain Feb 2013 #32
maggiesfarmer Feb 2013 #34
rhett o rick Feb 2013 #15
Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2013 #18
bigapple1963 Feb 2013 #21
Cowpunk Feb 2013 #23
obxhead Feb 2013 #24
99Forever Feb 2013 #28
gtar100 Feb 2013 #31
Katashi_itto Feb 2013 #33
LWolf Feb 2013 #37

Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 03:11 PM

1. Add something about

Not wanting to live at or below the poverty level while working (any) full-time job, and most of those other things go away.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 03:14 PM

2. Reasonable stuff.

I don't know why it's such a big damn problem.

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Response to HappyMe (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 03:16 PM

3. True that.

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Response to HappyMe (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 08:50 AM

35. Because Republicans

are not normal people. There's an inherent mental issue with no known remedy.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 03:31 PM

4. Yes, Duh!! The question is, what are you willing to settle for?

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 04:45 PM

11. See that's why when negotiating one should ask for the moon

And settle for the above after giving up some stuff that was above and beyond.

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Response to abelenkpe (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 04:53 PM

14. That is so painfully obvious that it begs the question,

why do our representatives (i use the term loosely) do so badly when negotiation on our behalf. It's a loaded rhetorical question.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #14)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 05:44 PM

19. Because they are not, in fact, "our" representatives.

Therefore, when they negotiate, they do not do so on "our" behalf.

Accept this, and these representatives no longer appear as if the went to the Howard, Fine, and Howard School of Negotiating Stuff.

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Response to demwing (Reply #19)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 05:47 PM

20. Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner. nm

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 03:36 PM

5. Good stuff, but just so everyone knows, I'll take money for nothing.

If someone wants to give away some money for nothing, I will happily help them out with that.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 03:48 PM

6. Can't argue against any of that

I just wish more of people we elect to office held the same views.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 04:06 PM

7. .........

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 04:20 PM

8. I want free healthcare

 

It should be free for everyone. Granted, that means I'd actually be paying more than my "fair" share since I almost never need medical care, but I'm fine with that. Everyone should have the care they need and we should spread the cost of this care to everyone. Getting sick should not bring with it an additional financial burden of any sort.

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Response to FreeBC (Reply #8)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 12:52 AM

29. Yes. Free health care.

Yes the bills still have to get paid, but not in the insane way we have now.

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Response to FreeBC (Reply #8)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 01:39 PM

36. Free as in free at the point of delivery.

Of course some kind of national health insurance should pay the tab imo.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 04:26 PM

9. Strawman not pleased

that is what 99% of us want ...

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Response to Cosmocat (Reply #9)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 04:52 PM

13. I just want to put this our there

 

When you are homeless, in your coldest, darkest nights, there are no straw men. But you are still in the United States of America.

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Response to Herlong (Reply #13)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 07:14 AM

30. I wasn't knocking the OP

just noting the absurdity of how all the stupid crape the right wing posits as strawmen is accepted as fact by the so called liberal media and most people in this country.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 04:42 PM

10. That is exactly how I feel

Thanks for posting this. We're not "moochers," but we expect some semblance of fairness.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 04:47 PM

12. Like most of the list, but I do want free health care!

Health care should be free, and that includes nursing homes, veteran's care, and a vast array of other things. The same for education through the Bachelor's level or trade school equivalent. I don't want free food, but I want affordable options!

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #12)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 04:58 PM

16. I agree!

I am fortunate that my husband and I have good health insurance but I know many people who don't. I know people who have gone bankrupt over medical bills.

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Response to retrogal (Reply #16)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 05:02 PM

17. Same here.

My partner and I have good coverage, but it still costs. I also know people who have lost almost everything because of ONE medical emergency; to me, that is a CRIME.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #12)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 07:47 PM

22. It's never free, no matter where you live

If you live in the UK or other first world countries, it's just part of the taxes you pay that go towards your healthcare. So, while you may not pay much out of pocket in other countries, you're paying via taxes.

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #22)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 12:23 AM

27. I am aware of this. I know a bit about a few other countries' healthcare systems.

However, as cheap as possible, if not free, is what I desire, and if I am paying by taxes, then I shouldn't have to pay again in the dr.'s office.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #12)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 12:19 AM

25. there is no such thing as free medical care

someone is paying. The discussion being had is who pays, how much, and how do we pool and spend that money for delivery of services.

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Response to SmileyRose (Reply #25)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 12:20 AM

26. Nothing is free, though is it.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #12)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 07:40 AM

32. Government Subsidized Is Not Free...

...someone has to pay the doctors and hospitals and a honest price for drugs and other services. That bill is passed along to the tax payers and I have no problem in paying increased taxes for that subsidy. When you frame it as "free" it falls into the right wing framing of "givers and takers". The system should be "free" in that all American citizens are covered...a single payer system. It's not free of costs and our responsibilities to make sure we have a fully funded healthcare system.

Cheers...

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #12)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 08:22 AM

34. I think their is a fair question of "how much" health care should be free.

I'd like to see more discussion focused around what level of health care should be provided or guaranteed. Once we establish a base "mimial, safety net" level, then we can have discussion around how to regulate the rest of the industry, and/or provide some 'insurance for all' model.

I'm not ready to sign up and say that any amount of healthcare should be provided to any US citizen without restriction beyond a doctor's prescription. There's a real economic concern that new treatments are approved every year, which give patients & doctors more options, and drive up costs more, and extend peoples lives longer. Those are real things driving exponential cost increase in health care that not a function of "obscene profits" by corporations. By all means, let's regulate the amount of "fat" that our current insurance system adds to total cost, but realistically, that's not going to drive more than a 50% reduction in total costs. I don't believe that doctors or hospitals are making obscene profits. Pharma companies seem to be, but I also recognize there's huge investment in R&D and continued regulatory compliance and I don't claim to understand those costs.

So, then we have the problem of who gets to set those limits? No one likes the model of private health care doing it. Few like the model of the US government doing it (e.g. Medicare). I'm not saying either of those couldn't work, but what's the right way to regulate the costs of health care and the amount of care individuals receive?

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 04:56 PM

15. As people we get together in a society and

look out for each other. However, we have done a terrible thing. We have abrogated our responsibilities to an elite few among us. And they only look out for themselves.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 05:07 PM

18. K and MoFo R!!!! This needs to go viral.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 08:58 PM

23. Would you like a cowboy outfit to go with your pony?

You liberals...I want to be paid for my hard work, I want a say in my government, I want I want I want...

Why can't you just be happy with the tablescraps of the super-wealthy?

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 12:08 AM

24. Yep

"That" person does not make too much for the job, we make far too little.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 12:27 AM

28. True dat. n/t

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 07:31 AM

31. Breaking down the stereotypes of liberals... so good.

Republicans have done a good job of turning 'liberal' into a negative. But they had to do it by twisting the the truth and outright lying about it. Now that the reality of how destructive conservative policies are is beginning to show, I think more and more people are beginning to realize that 'liberal' isn't such a bad thing after all. Still a long way to go, though. It's been a struggle since the dawning of the Age of Enlightenment.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 08:10 AM

33. Agree!!!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 02:36 PM

37. I agree with most of that,

except the first one.

I WANT free health care. It would be a huge step along the way to raising the quality of life and productivity of everyone.

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