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Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:20 AM

Just watched TIVO'd Rachel.. and am OVER THE MOON!

She is teasing her Monday show "HUBRIS" (The lies that got us into Iraq) and she is showing footage of the
MASSIVE, worldwide demonstrations that the mass media just seemed to 'miss' when they were happening.

I remember my FURY that nearly 100 thousand people were surging through the streets of Manhattan, and were only visible through NYC traffic-cams.

I just saw footage of those demonstration for the very first time on TV. On Rachel. In advance of her Monday's documentary.

Which no one should miss . . . .
Which no one should miss

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Reply Just watched TIVO'd Rachel.. and am OVER THE MOON! (Original post)
annabanana Feb 2013 OP
chemp Feb 2013 #1
valerief Feb 2013 #2
annabanana Feb 2013 #8
Cleita Feb 2013 #29
AverageMe Feb 2013 #43
snappyturtle Feb 2013 #57
AverageMe Feb 2013 #58
Whisp Feb 2013 #3
CitizenPatriot Feb 2013 #4
PatSeg Feb 2013 #5
lunatica Feb 2013 #6
DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #13
diane in sf Feb 2013 #32
xxqqqzme Feb 2013 #44
NWHarkness Feb 2013 #7
Delphinus Feb 2013 #9
Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2013 #10
bcool Feb 2013 #11
Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2013 #24
Horse with no Name Feb 2013 #12
R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #14
Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #15
just1voice Feb 2013 #16
jerseyjack Feb 2013 #33
sakabatou Feb 2013 #17
Zambero Feb 2013 #18
WillyT Feb 2013 #19
calimary Feb 2013 #20
The Wizard Feb 2013 #54
johnnyreb Feb 2013 #21
rdharma Feb 2013 #22
Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2013 #23
Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2013 #25
Diyames Feb 2013 #34
Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2013 #39
Faygo Kid Feb 2013 #26
mnhtnbb Feb 2013 #31
colsohlibgal Feb 2013 #27
The Wizard Feb 2013 #55
AndyA Feb 2013 #28
arikara Feb 2013 #30
defacto7 Feb 2013 #35
Stainless Feb 2013 #60
chervilant Feb 2013 #36
ReRe Feb 2013 #37
Squinch Feb 2013 #38
romana Feb 2013 #56
Squinch Feb 2013 #59
Babel_17 Feb 2013 #40
rhett o rick Feb 2013 #41
tpsbmam Feb 2013 #42
Liberty Belle Feb 2013 #45
napoleon_in_rags Feb 2013 #46
Botany Feb 2013 #47
gtar100 Feb 2013 #48
damnedifIknow Feb 2013 #49
kickysnana Feb 2013 #50
annabanana Feb 2013 #53
Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #51
tavernier Feb 2013 #52

Response to annabanana (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:46 AM

1. 100 thousand is nothing

Worldwide there were 10 million people standing out in the cold protesting this ill-advised war of choice.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/lest-we-forget-ten-years-ago-anti-iraq-war-protesters-were-in-the-right/5323027

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:48 AM

2. I remember watching one huge demonstration live on c-span (I wish

I'd been able to join it at the time) and zip-zero-zilch on all television stations.

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Response to valerief (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 12:21 PM

8. And the camers stayed mostly at the

"free Mumia" podium... Didn't cover the march

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Response to valerief (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 04:53 PM

29. I attended a protest down town and a candlelight vigil that night.

Since we are mostly rural and very conservative, there was an impressive turn out. The vigil was in an open lot on a street which is a bypass and heavy with truck traffic. Truckers honked and waved at us. No news media covered it. There was an article a week later in our local throw away paper. Mostly the protests were ignored across the nation.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #29)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 10:31 PM

43. Why is this not on the NBC broadcast network

 

so that people, such as myself, whose cable TV does not carry MSNBC can see it. It is news worthy since it explains why someone like Chuck Hagel would change his position on the war. Call NBC and ask them to broadcast it.

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Response to AverageMe (Reply #43)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 11:17 AM

57. If you don't mind watching it live on your computer:

http://myrtv.eu/msnbc-2/

I use this link alot....at times it is down but there are many others. May not be as pleasant as watching on a tv but it's better than missing it. imho

Welcome to DU!

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Response to snappyturtle (Reply #57)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 11:42 AM

58. Thanks for the link

 

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:49 AM

3. I was one of those little peeps marching

 

in some cold Canadian town.

and I feel proud that I along with all those mllions knew what the fuck was up with that fake war.

but some insider senators and leaders were dumber than we were? o yeh sure.

bread and butter wars, that is what Iraq was about. That is why I see red when some asshole politician wants us to forget how they voted, that is why I would choose any of those millions who knew to be leaders than those bread and butter fake pieces of shit that call themselves leaders.

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:51 AM

4. my family was there

I remember it well. No one covered it but the Tea Party got endless coverage. Saddest f-ing press debacle yet.

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:56 AM

5. I hate reliving all that, BUT

it is so important that we never forget. It is so important that the truth become a part of history for upcoming generations.

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:56 AM

6. I was in all the marches we had in San Francisco

They were all massive. I stood on the sidewalk on Market street and anyone who knows San Francisco knows how wide that street is since it has many lanes for cars and lanes of tracks for the electric trains going in both directions. It was packed with people from one side of the street to the other and I stood for two hours watching them march by. There had to be many tens of thousands of people marching that day. The media barely mentioned it or any of the other massive demonstrations leading up to both wars.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 01:08 PM

13. I was there too...from The Embarcadero to City Hall

Market Street was wall-wall for the entire route. I remember CNN reporting that "several thousand" people had showed up. That's when I understood with certainty that we were being lied to.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 05:31 PM

32. I was there too and it was not the only massive demonstration against the war in SF.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #6)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 02:21 AM

44. I was at that one too.

We stepped out of the march to get some lunch. 45 minutes later we walked back to the corner and joined the continuing throng as if we hadn't missed a step.

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 12:04 PM

7. I marched in Detroit

It was 3 degrees above zero that day.

We marched from Grand Circus Park to Cobo Hall. We filled Washington Boulevard across from side to side for six blocks.

Later, we did get some local media coverage. They all reported that "several hundred" demonstrators had participated.

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 12:24 PM

9. I was *so*

excited to see that - I will be sure to be in front of the TV to watch this.

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 12:41 PM

10. K&R

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 12:57 PM

11. We were in Paris for our 25th anniversary when the invasion began...

...and there were lots of protests. I told my wife, "If anybody asks, say we're from Canada."

There was also a big one in London right before we took the Chunnel to Paris. I was amazed there was no coverage in the U.S. media about those protests. Disgusting.

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Response to bcool (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 02:43 PM

24. Speaking of London, joining Bush in the Iraq War was what really finished off Tony Blair

I was in England the day he finally resigned in June 2007, and BBC news showed a crowd of people booing as his car drove away from #10 Downing Street. The commentator said that most of the crowd had lost family members in Iraq or had themselves been injured.

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 01:09 PM

14. I remember marching in Boston. Lots of people.


I remember lots of people joined in solidarity. I don't remember lots of news coverage.

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 01:24 PM

16. So what's going to be the outcome of the truth being told and evidence being presented again?

 

Nothing. Members of the elite are free to commit any crimes they want which most people are already fully and painfully aware of.

Conspiracy to commit war = treason.
Setting up torture camps = violation of 1996 War Crimes Act.
Wiretapping Americans by the 1000s = felonies.

It all means nothing to the elite.

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Response to just1voice (Reply #16)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 05:37 PM

33. Not to worry. When Nancy Pelosi gets to be speaker, the shit will hit the fa

 

.... what's that? Impeachment is off the table?

Well, when Obama gets inaugurated, there will be a war crimes trial and then we will see Bushies frog-marched bef....

What's that? There will be no prosecution from Holder?

Oh well. Then I won't waste my time on the documentary.

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 01:30 PM

17. My DVR is quivering.

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 01:36 PM

18. Meanwhile...

As the truth continues to trickle in, the diehard proponents and instigators of the Iraq War in the Senate are taking a short break before returning to re-skewer their former colleague Chuck Hagel over his record of opposition to continuing said war -- once he concluded that our presence there had been based on false assumptions and bad intelligence. As one GOP senator has noted, this guy was downright mean to poor President Bush and dared criticize those in his own party who favored further escalation. After all, who amongst your "distinguished" colleagues should even care about body counts in the face of lies, Senator McCain?

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 01:49 PM

19. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!






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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 02:04 PM

20. We marched in West L.A. And attended the candlelight vigil in Santa Monica on the night before

the war started. My kids were even interviewed by our local ABC affiliate.

I remember the internet coverage - TONS of people. TONS. On EVERY continent, including Antarctica - where there was a scientific expedition and they all got together and formed a human peace sign on the ice there.

I remember seeing the mighty river of people marching through New York City - during the republi-CON convention in 2004. The people just kept coming and coming and coming - and only CSPAN had it. It was like everything else was The Untouchables and Unmentionables. The whole mainstream media was compromised.

I remember thinking - if I was running one of those news departments and was told that I must not cover the opposition or give them ANY face time, much less equal time, or I'd lose our White House credentials, I'd make THAT the story. Because if you think back, and if you were watching all this via the internet, or even just simply here on DU, you'd know there were LEGIONS of people available to speak, be interviewed, present intelligent and fact-based arguments - maybe everyone was afraid to let the other side's voices be heard because they might be persuasive. That's certainly what we've seen from the NRA and the gun lobby - that's bullied and outshouted and intimidated ANYONE who wants to put forward an opposing view. Hell, they made sure it was against the law even to do RESEARCH, even to STUDY the effects of gun violence on society, business, and families.

I would have gone 24/7 with nobody but those speaking out against the war and against being silenced and vilified and demonized because they weren't gung-ho for war. I would have made THAT the story. And I know there would have been NO anchors sitting there with empty guest chairs. There were THOUSANDS of intelligent and credible and knowledgeable spokespeople to choose from who were VERY available and eager to put forth OUR side of the case, and totally ignored.

I still burn with anger over that! SO pleased that Rachel Maddow is pushing forward with this. SOMEBODY. FINALLY.

FINALLY!!!! Ten years later and at least four thousand unnecessary American deaths, plus who knows how many innocent Iraqis died? And nobody even cared to try to count them. And george w bush and the dick cheney and paul wolfowitz and donald rumsfeld and all those war hard-ons are still walking around free as birds, when they should be sitting in some war crimes tribunal, in leg irons, in the Hague.

It's gonna steam me, too. But it's stuff that needs to be said and looked at and studied and dissected and the truth HAS to be pushed forward.

EVERYBODY MAKE SURE YOU WATCH!!! And then Tuesday morning start calling Congress.

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Response to calimary (Reply #20)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 10:15 AM

54. Not only is the Bush cartel

walking free. They've made hundreds of billions on war profits. Cheney's Halliburton shares were worth 5 dollars a share before the war and went up to $120 a share. The contracts went through his office as VP.
These blood soaked greedy bastards should be putting on blindfolds and lighting up cigarettes.

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 02:12 PM

21. Boom!

Music video of the protests, ~nine million views;





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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 02:23 PM

22. Americans have short memories vis--vis Iraq

 

Rachel's "Hubris" comes along in the nick of time.

Because the neo-cons are still out there. And they sure would like to see a war with Iran.

Folks need to be reminded of how we were lied into war in Iraq ...... so we don't allow them to lie us into another senseless war!

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 02:40 PM

23. In Portland, the demonstrators made local newscasts

by blocking Burnside Avenue (the main east-west arterial) with a sitdown strike and going out onto the I-405 freeway with bicycles. That was after I left the 30,000-person march.

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 02:44 PM

25. No cable here. Where can I see it?

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Response to Diyames (Reply #34)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 06:43 PM

39. Thanks!

Although I'm afraid it will make me mad all over again.

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 03:15 PM

26. I marched in DC but of course the neocon WaPo ignored the huge turnouts

The Washington Post was a huge cheerleader for the war and will be for the next one, as well. Fred Hiatt, the editorial page editor, would have it no other way - he's got Jennifer Rubin on staff to beat the drums for war and the neocons incessantly.

We had hundreds of thousands at the marches, and were lucky to get mentioned at alll at the bottom of page 7A.

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Response to Faygo Kid (Reply #26)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 05:00 PM

31. I went to DC, too, from NC.

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 03:42 PM

27. Shame On Big Media

Not only did they do all they could to not show these protests, as I said in another thread they did all they could during the Bush installation 1/01 to not show the very large protest crowd in Washington DC demonstrating against the coup that put Dubya in in the first place.

Contrast all that with them going out of their way to show it whenever 35 tea party types happened to gather.

If big media had done their job, by asking tough questions instead of cheerleading, by having an equal number of anti war and pro war experts, by MSNBC not firing Phil Donahue (their highest rated show at the time) because he dared to question this military action, maybe we could have stopped this insanity.

I've got my DVR set, I can't wait. Tell it Rachel!

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Response to colsohlibgal (Reply #27)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 10:18 AM

55. Corporate media

aided and abetted the illegal, immoral invasion and occupation for the benefit of oil companies that wanted to steal Iraq's natural resources.
There is no statute of limitations on war crimes.

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 03:46 PM

28. Rachel says her special will stir up some things and make some people uncomfortable

I say go for it. It's a discussion that should have been had a long time ago.

It's kind of a big deal when the President, Vice President, Secretary of State, and Secretary of Defense tell lies to start a war. Those wars that killed more Americans than the terrorist attack that was blamed for the wars.

Let's not even get into the intelligence that was ignored prior to the attacks. It's infuriating that members of Congress are making such a big deal about Benghazi, yet they still don't want to talk about the months prior to 9/11.

I will definitely be watching! Go Rachel!!

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 05:00 PM

30. I marched in Victoria BC

along with thousands. We knew. Everyone knew that it was a lie and a fraud. We knew there were millions protesting all over the world and that the media was ignoring us everywhere.

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 06:18 PM

35. Shame on me.... confession.

I had no idea. I knew there were marches and rallies but I had no idea the extent. Can I blame part of it on living in Utah? No, I shouldn't. There were other personal reasons why I missed out but the extent is far beyond my recall.

Never again.

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #35)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 12:42 PM

60. I Remember Very Well

I am a Veteran of the Vietnam Era. In early 2003 I was working as a contract designer for a small engineering company just North of Salt Lake City. There was a lot of discussion in the office about going into Iraq. When I questioned the validity of the intelligence and the integrity of those making the claims, I was called unpatriotic by a sycophantic chicken-hawk co-worker who had never served in the military. Since I was in the process of being hired as a regular emloyee with benefits for a large defense company I just smiled and ignored the SOB. I left that company within a month after the invasion of Iraq. My opinions about the MSM and the pinheads they cater too were forever altered.

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 06:19 PM

36. I was in DC

IIRC, the wind chill was -17F. I told my fellow activists to watch the "news" cameras. They were strategically placed to capture the sparse fringes of our mass of humanity.

I got "interviewed" by CNN--they managed to crop all but a trite exchange about the weather. I know this because a friend in Arkansas heard my voice on the tellie and rushed into her den to hear what I had to say (she knows I would have a pithy comment or two...). She called me later to find out what I REALLY said!

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 06:23 PM

37. Wouldn't it be dandy....

.... if her co-anchor was Phil Donahue? I will never forget when MSNBC fired him.
Don't worry, I will be watching.

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 06:31 PM

38. I marched in NYC.

The crowd was massive, blocks and blocks long. And there was NO media coverage. Except for the fact that 4 or 5 people were arrested.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #38)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 10:52 AM

56. Me, too

The NYC march was huge. Went to a lot of anti-war protest during that time, in NYC and DC. Amazing time, even if it wasn't covered by the US press. I just wanted the world to have some idea that a lot of people knew what the Bush administration was trying to do.

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Response to romana (Reply #56)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 11:45 AM

59. I'm glad we were there, even if it didn't seem to do anything.

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 08:12 PM

40. Thanks for the heads-up! (nt)

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 08:31 PM

41. My Senator Cantwell voted to give Bushy the power to invade Iraq and kill hundreds of thousands of

innocent people. Make refugees out of millions. I am going to email her a reminder to be sure and watch.

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 08:36 PM

42. Thanks!

I try to watch RM live but don't always catch it. Set the DVR to record it just in case.

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 04:13 AM

45. There were huge antiwar marches in 2005, too.

I covered the one in D.C. - half a million people strong. The media said 10,000, I think the biggest report was 100,000. They sh owed up in the first 5 minutes and left, didn't count everyone who came late because they shut down the subways and trains trying to keep the marchers out of DC, but it didn't work.

Also had an anti-war march with 2,000 protesters in conservative Coronado when Bush came to visit the same year.

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 06:25 AM

46. I almost got killed at those demonstrations.

I was walking across the street with other protesters (in Seattle) when this Ford Bronco came speeding at me. I was oblivious, and he slammed on his breaks at the last minute, screeching to a halt, swearing at me inside his car. For some reason he was focussed on me personally. The other protesters offered to call the police, but I declined. But its a serious memory to me.

SO many people on the street. I remember it so well. And the government didn't care at all.

Then the protests after the war started in Seattle, with operatives with M-16s pointed at protesters, to enforce their horse shit, that we all know as a lie. Americans with assault rifles pointed at us to enforce religious worship of bullshit.

It was crap, it was demonism, and history will show that. The reasonable prevail.

PEace! Love to Maddow for keeping that arc of history moving forward.

-Me

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 06:35 AM

47. In Worthington OH we had 300 to 500 people ......

... who were on both sides of one of the main roads w/ candles for about 1 mile and in Downtown
Columbus OH we had protests all the time but very little of it ever showed up in the local media.

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 07:14 AM

48. And the PTB learned they can ignore protests, no matter how large.

Because that is what they did and they got what they wanted.

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 07:54 AM

49. I went to a local protest

and spoke out against the Iraq war before it started and did an interview that landed on the front page of my local paper. Since that time I haven't been liked very well around these parts by some. The truth is more important than a popularity contest the way I see it.

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 08:10 AM

50. Yeaaaaah. Happy Fitzmas everyone...again.

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Response to kickysnana (Reply #50)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 09:33 AM

53. At this point, I am not expecting prosecutions. I am gratified

that the truth is being documented, and will finally be seen by many who will have had NO IDEA until now.

This is, at least, for the history books.

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 08:38 AM

51. I'm very proud of all of you who went to demonstrations in the US.

Opposing the war was very easy in Europe, no one ever really disagreed, the media was pretty much on our side.

My respect to all people who stood up against this madness while having to face all the shit coming from the usual suspects. I remember ruining our family get-together in NJ in 2003 by constantly bringing up the topic. My cousin was married to a barely functional RW type of guy who totally lost it when I completely destryoed his gung ho arguments for the war. It was so crazy. Explaining why the war was wrong and immoral wasn't easy when dealing with people who couldn't locate the middle east on a map.

Crazy times. I was so naive as to believe that the RW overstepped; that there would be trials, the truth exposed. I left DU for the first time after that was "off the table". Can't believe how long it's been since then. Feels like yesterday.



Tanks, tanks, tanks. Bombs, bombs, bombs. Nuclear heat-seeking battleships. Shake yer hips, raise your fists, tell 'em they can kiss yer' ass if they come knockin' for us kids.

You needed a dependable work force so you created a drug ware n' got one in orange.
Now on the backs of the poor, you're taking over the world by force. Whatever for?

Mr. Rumsfeld, a question from me to you. If Saddam is such a jerk then why in 1982 did you give him a pair of gold spurs? If you ask me how I feel my friend,
I'd say "actions speak louder than words." If you ask me how I feel Mr. Military Man,
I'd say "actions have spoken louder than words." Woo-hoo!

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Response to annabanana (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 08:56 AM

52. RULE NUMBER ONE

We are not allowed to speak ill of any past republican president. Traitors will be vanquished, their histories erased from future American documents, and the speaking of their name shall be forbidden for a thousand years.

Hagel is finding this out. He should have played it safe and spoken against Kennedy or Carter or Clinton. There is no such rule that applies to "the others".

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