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Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:05 AM

Where is the outrage over Puerto Ricans being denied full citizenship and representation?

Why have the Democrats not brought this to both floors of Congress as one of the first orders of business, and why aren't they forcing Republicans to engage in an up-or-down vote on the issue?

Politically, there's little chance of Puerto Rico becoming the 51st state with a split Congress. Puerto Ricans in the United States vote overwhelmingly for Democrats, and elected officials in Puerto Rico are nearly always Democrats, so House Republicans have little reason to approve a Puerto Rican statehood bill.

"While they have different party names in Puerto Rico, they're usually one shade of Democrat or another," John Hudak, a governance studies fellow at the Brookings Institution, says of the island's politics.


http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/11/07/despite-referendum-puerto-rican-statehood-unlikely-until-at-least-2015

I say this to the GOP: Put-up or shut up! If your party is truly as committed to Latino voters as you say, then welcome Puerto Rico's decision from November to become a state. On the other hand, if the reality is that your party is only really interested in moneyed whites, then own it and vote against statehood so the rest of us know exactly where you stand.

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Reply Where is the outrage over Puerto Ricans being denied full citizenship and representation? (Original post)
OmahaBlueDog Feb 2013 OP
Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #1
OmahaBlueDog Feb 2013 #3
DonViejo Feb 2013 #14
OmahaBlueDog Feb 2013 #16
DonViejo Feb 2013 #18
uponit7771 Feb 2013 #19
Orrex Feb 2013 #2
OmahaBlueDog Feb 2013 #5
Orrex Feb 2013 #8
OmahaBlueDog Feb 2013 #7
Orrex Feb 2013 #9
OmahaBlueDog Feb 2013 #10
Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #4
OmahaBlueDog Feb 2013 #6
geek tragedy Feb 2013 #11
OmahaBlueDog Feb 2013 #12
geek tragedy Feb 2013 #15
Octafish Feb 2013 #13
kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #17

Response to OmahaBlueDog (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:07 AM

1. Actually, I have heard from many, close personal friends included

who do not want it. Not that it invalidates the cause but illustrate that a portion of Puerto Ricans may be opposed.

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:10 AM

3. They passed a statehood referendum 54-46 in November

That's a pretty clear vote these days. I realize that many in Puerto Rico will still say they oppose statehood just as many here in the US still say they oppose Barack Obama.

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Response to OmahaBlueDog (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:48 AM

14. Independence has been on the ballot...

every time statehood is voted upon, it never receives more than 5 or 6 per cent of the total vote. Some times the status quo wins, other times, as in the last election, statehood wins.

During last years GOP Presidential primary campaign, Rick Santorum campaigned down here. When asked about statehood he responded that when Puerto Rico is English only, statehood would be granted. Two of the State Senators who had endorsed him for the Presidency and were on the stage with him when he made his "English only" comment, promptly withdrew their endorsements of him when the campaign trip was over.

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Response to DonViejo (Reply #14)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:56 AM

16. My point is that this time statehood won and we should demand an up or down vote in Congress.

If the GOP thinks that Puerto Rico should be English-only, they should go on the record.



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Response to OmahaBlueDog (Reply #16)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 01:16 PM

18. Be that as it may...

there are two major political parties down here, the New Progressive Party, allied with the GOP and the The Popular Democratic Party, allied with the Democrats. The New Progressive Party is pro-statehood, the Popular Democratic Party is for the status quo, "Commonwealth" status. In the last election, resulting in the vote for statehood, the people elected a Governor and a Congressional rep from the Popular Democratic Party (the pro status quo candidates), defeating the incumbents from the New Progressive Party (the Governor, Luis Fortunuo was promoted as Vice Presidential material by Grover Norquist--primarily because Fortunuo laid off 30,000 government employees). The leadership of the NDP and it's Puerto Rican Congressional allies (representing districts in Chicago and NY) are challenging the validity of the statehood election; voters had to vote twice for statehood on the ballot. The question was asked at the top of the paper ballot and then again at the bottom; many, many voters left the question at the bottom of the ballot unanswered. It is the PDP's position that the election victory for statehood is meaningless owing to that failure to vote twice. I doubt the issue will appear on the Congressional agenda any time soon. Yet another election, at least the third in twelve years that I know of, will probably be held.

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Response to DonViejo (Reply #18)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 01:17 PM

19. thx...good info

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Response to OmahaBlueDog (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:07 AM

2. My understanding is that Puerto Rico won't gain statehood

until another territory likewise gets added, to offset the sudden addition of two (likely) Democratic Senators from PR.

It's crappy, to be sure, but it's all about electoral strategy.

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Response to Orrex (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:11 AM

5. How about DC? That would add two more Senators.

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Response to OmahaBlueDog (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:16 AM

8. I love it!

Where do I sign the petition?

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Response to Orrex (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:15 AM

7. Seriously, we should at least bring it to the floor

Make the Republicans explain to already outraged Latino voters that their rights are being denied over "electoral politics."

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Response to OmahaBlueDog (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:17 AM

9. You know, that's a great idea

Let them go on record with their opposition. That would really derail their efforts to schmooze the Latino vote.

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Response to Orrex (Reply #9)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:24 AM

10. Or it will give us another state

Again, seriously, if it really bothers them that much, they can bust Texas into pieces and get more Senators that way. The treaty that allowed Texas into the Union allows it to be divided into 5 states. One could debate whether that is still in effect since Texas joined the CSA, which was subsequently defeated. So if this really ticks them off that much, we'll do this:

Add Puerto Rico
Add DC
Break Texas into three states

It should even out.

But back to reality.. make them vote. Make them own it. Hell.. make them Filibuster it, and then make Marco Rubio explain why on Univision. But make sure there's plenty of bottled water handy.

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Response to OmahaBlueDog (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:10 AM

4. If a country does not want to bring in their territories then they need to give them independence

It is time to join the 21st century

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:14 AM

6. Exactly, and in November Puerto Rico expressed their vote for Statehood

Let 'em in, I say.

Let me put this another way. If this state voted mostly Republican, and all other things were held equal, FAUX would be broadcasting outrage over their exclusion 24/7. It wold be bigger than Benghazi. It would be bigger than Nancy Grace talking about Jodi Arias.

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Response to OmahaBlueDog (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:29 AM

11. Technically, they do have full citizenship rights.

It's Puerto Rico itself that doesn't have rights. Puerto Ricans can move to any US state and vote in Congressional elections.

The question is whether Puerto Ricans want to get statehood at the expense of paying income taxes and forever surrendering the possibility of independence as well as their identity as their own nation. Once you join this union, you pay dues for life.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:33 AM

12. True, but again I point to November

They passed a referendum to join as dues payers.

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Response to OmahaBlueDog (Reply #12)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:50 AM

15. Non-binding referendum. True it's a fairly wide margin, but IMO the process

for making an irrevocable decision needs to be more intensive. It has to be something that they not only favor, but are committed to. If it's 40% committed to it and 14% saying "seems like a good idea" not sure that's enough.

I do agree that the fate should be determined by Puerto Ricans, and if they're committed to becoming a state, they should be admitted into the union.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:41 AM

13. Presidential, too.

Local, state and national, as well.

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Response to OmahaBlueDog (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 01:04 PM

17. I heard they don't want it, and would prefer independence.

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