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Sat Feb 16, 2013, 09:12 AM

 

Bill Maher: ‘The Israelis Are Controlling Our Government’

Bill Maher tonight (Friday) took on the GOP opposition to Chuck Hagel becoming the next defense secretary with the particular sticking point that he has made some controversial remarks about Israeli influence on the U.S. government. Maher argued the fact that this is causing such outrage only proves that the Israeli government does have undue influence on the United States.


Video at http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-maher-takes-on-gop-opposition-to-hagel-over-israel-the-israelis-are-controlling-our-government/

TRUTH TO POWER!

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Reply Bill Maher: ‘The Israelis Are Controlling Our Government’ (Original post)
helveticas Feb 2013 OP
marybourg Feb 2013 #1
helveticas Feb 2013 #3
Baitball Blogger Feb 2013 #8
Nevernose Feb 2013 #24
Baitball Blogger Feb 2013 #25
sendero Feb 2013 #53
Walk away Feb 2013 #6
aquart Feb 2013 #32
OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #2
Katashi_itto Feb 2013 #12
helveticas Feb 2013 #14
cali Feb 2013 #18
helveticas Feb 2013 #19
cali Feb 2013 #43
Katashi_itto Feb 2013 #21
Katashi_itto Feb 2013 #22
godai Feb 2013 #31
Dragonfli Feb 2013 #33
Katashi_itto Feb 2013 #38
cali Feb 2013 #44
Katashi_itto Feb 2013 #45
NoodleyAppendage Feb 2013 #47
Katashi_itto Feb 2013 #48
aquart Feb 2013 #35
Festivito Feb 2013 #41
Katashi_itto Feb 2013 #46
MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #4
helveticas Feb 2013 #7
MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #9
helveticas Feb 2013 #11
MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #5
Octafish Feb 2013 #10
Dragonfli Feb 2013 #15
Octafish Feb 2013 #16
helveticas Feb 2013 #23
Dragonfli Feb 2013 #34
aquart Feb 2013 #36
bvar22 Feb 2013 #13
helveticas Feb 2013 #29
aquart Feb 2013 #37
JohnyCanuck Feb 2013 #17
Behind the Aegis Feb 2013 #20
zeke_be_in_va Feb 2013 #50
Purveyor Feb 2013 #26
helveticas Feb 2013 #30
Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2013 #27
Walk away Feb 2013 #39
helveticas Feb 2013 #40
darkangel218 Feb 2013 #28
helveticas Feb 2013 #42
Billz Feb 2013 #49
immoderate Feb 2013 #52
Mason Kennedy Feb 2013 #51

Response to helveticas (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 09:22 AM

1. A perfect example of circular reasoning!

Actually it's not the Israeli government that has influence, it's American citizens - both Jewish and not Jewish- who love and admire Israel, who have the influence.

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Response to marybourg (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 09:30 AM

3. Later in the episode, he TOTALLY craps all over the Catholic Church

 

And my Irish Catholic ass was laughing out loud. Because, again, it's Truth.

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Response to helveticas (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:19 AM

8. I propose that every major institution be given the same scrutiny that the Catholic church receives.

From college football to the bar association. Our world would be better off without sacred cows, so let's just not make the mistake of picking on one institution over the other.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 07:01 PM

24. If the president of the NCAA had told coaches

To lie to authorities, and had coaches who sodomized little boys transferred to community colleges but hid the records of rape from authority, and then wrote a memo explaining how it was more important to protect the sanctity of college football than it was to prevent first graders from being gang raped by care givers...well, in that case I would support your idea that other institutions deserve the same level of scrutiny. When the bar association orchestrates a multinational conspiracy to promote, protect, and cover up thousands of lawyer/child molesters, THEN you'll have a point.

But until you can find other organizations, your sanctimony is wildly out of place.

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Response to Nevernose (Reply #24)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 07:11 PM

25. You're going to have to learn how to multi-task when it comes down to seeking out

the factors that are corrupting our society. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Period.

All social injustices add to an environment where malfeasance becomes the norm. Like I said. You need to learn how to multi-task because picking on the Catholic Church like it's all you have to do to clean up the ills in our society is tunnel vision.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2370201

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #25)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 05:11 PM

53. LOL.....

..."picking on the Catholic Church like it's all you have to do to clean up the ills" - you expect to win an argument with that straw man bullshit? No where did anyone say anything of the sort.

And claiming "well the church is corrupt because society is corrupt", well fine but the church claims a higher moral authority that the public at large and should be held to one.

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Response to marybourg (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 10:08 AM

6. Zionists and Rapturists! Let's face it...

Neo-Cons make up a huge percentage of the 1%!

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Response to Walk away (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 10:38 PM

32. Odd, odd, odd definition of "zionist."

But all too typical. The so-called "progressive" 's innocent and righteous backdoor entrance to you know what.

So impressed. After all, the people who gave us the Bible should be held to higher standards than any other nation on earth. No possible hypocrisy there.

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Response to helveticas (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 09:27 AM

2. "Control" would be an exaggeration.

 

Israel doesn't control the United States government. Certainly Israel enjoys strong support within the United States, but that's influence, not control.

Plus, I think that support for Israel tends to be much more of a grassroots thing. It's not so much of a high-level government-to-government thing, as it is support from many average, normal Americans.

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Response to OceanEcosystem (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 12:53 PM

12. RIghhtt....

"It's not so much of a high-level government-to-government thing, as it is support from many average, normal Americans..."

AIPAC 2010 DONATIONS...
And these are just the ones we know about..

Joseph Lieberman $1,226,956
John McCain $750,368
Benjamin Cardin $487,572
Mitch McConnell $415,710
Richard Durbin $376,387
Carl Levin $366,378
Arlen Specter $338,080
Debbie Ann Stabenow $329,053
Bill Nelson $324,691
Jon Kyl $312,358
Mary Landrieu $291,609
Frank Lautenberg $260,333
Robert Menéndez $219,135
Daniel Inouye $197,750
Harry Reid $179,640
Sheldon Whitehouse $170,421
Ron Wyden $163,771
Maria Cantwell $162,598
Mark Udall $161,173
Christopher Dodd $158,132
Barbara Mikulski $152,050
Kent Conrad $150,410
Susan Collins $139,518
Mark Pryor $138,250
Jeff Merkley $136,130

Top House Recipients Funded

Mark Kirk $458,979
Ileana Ros-Lehtinen $141,507
Howard Berman $122,600
Eric Cantor $119,350
Ted Deutch $104,031
Steny Hoyer $100,050
Shelley Berkley $98,501
Gary Peters $94,522
Ron Klein $88,550
Nancy Pelosi $83,400
Steve Israel $77,000
Nita Lowey $68,600
Paul Hodes $65,950
Ike Skelton $64,049
Kendrick Meek $57,601
Deborah Halvorson $56,622
Gabrielle Giffords $56,000
Eliot Engel $54,600
Brad Sherman $53,500
Janice Schakowsky $53,195
Roy Blunt $47,550
Dan Burton $47,350
Alcee Hastings $46,150
Mary Jo Kilroy $46,135
Bill Foster $45,550
Debbie Wasserman Schultz $45,060
Robert Andrews $43,825
Patrick Murphy $41,000
Gary Ackerman $39,950
Brad Ellsworth $38,850
Silvestre Reyes $38,750
Lincoln Diaz-Balart $35,775
Steven LaTourette $35,325
Allyson Schwartz $33,625
Jerry Moran $33,300
Melissa Bean $33,150
Mike Pence $31,700

http://maplight.org/us-congress/interest/J5100/view/all

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #12)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 01:51 PM

14. Covering All Bases

 

Good strategy. For them. Not good for the rest of us!

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #12)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 03:00 PM

18. AIPAC does not and cannot make direct political donations.

Yes, they influence political contributions in a major way, but that's different from your claim.

AIPAC's stated purpose is to lobby the Congress of the United States on issues and legislation related to Israel. AIPAC regularly meets with members of Congress and holds events where it can share its views. AIPAC is not a political action committee, and does not directly donate to campaign contributions. Nevertheless, according to The Washington Post, "money is an important part of the equation." The Washington Post states that AIPAC's "web site, which details how members of Congress voted on AIPAC's key issues, and the AIPAC Insider, a glossy periodical that handicaps close political races, are scrutinized by thousands of potential donors. Pro-Israel interests have contributed $56.8 million in individual, group, and soft money donations to federal candidates and party committees since 1990, according to the non-partisan Center for Responsive Politics. Between the 2000 and the 2004 elections, the 50 members of AIPAC's board donated an average of $72,000 each to campaigns and political action committees."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Israel_Public_Affairs_Committee

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Response to cali (Reply #18)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 03:17 PM

19. If you're trying to defend the organization.....

 

this ain't exactly making the grade!

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Response to helveticas (Reply #19)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 03:29 AM

43. I'm not, honeypie. I'm trying to introduce facts. You know, facts?

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Response to cali (Reply #18)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 05:09 PM

21. Guess those recorded donations are just myths...

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Response to cali (Reply #18)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 05:16 PM

22. No offense but thats completely untrue...

I am studying to be a CPA, and your statement above got me curious on how they managed to get away with such huge donations.

ANSWER: AIPAC is organized as a 501 (c)(4)

AIPAC’s last IRS list of contributors claims the organization now has only two major donors . As a tax-exempt 501(c)(4) organization (a category intended for civic leagues, social welfare organizations, and local associations of employees) AIPAC files an IRS Form 990.

Unlike the far more numerous nonprofit 501(c)(3) organizations, which have to continually “means test” that they have a wide public funding base in order for contributor donations to be tax-deductible, contributions to 501(c)(4) organizations such as AIPAC (which actively lobbies Congress, the executive, and numerous government agencies) are not tax-deductible.

There are no contribution limits to 501 (c)(4) nonprofit groups. Individuals, foreign nationals, partnerships, associations, and other organizations may contribute whatever amount they like to a 501(c)(4).

THEY ONLY HAD TWO CONTRIBUTORS:
(2009)
THE FIRST GAVE: 48,542,187
THE SECOND GAVE: 13,503,472
Total: 62,045,659


For two donors. Must be those "average Americans" again...
Gee I wonder who they could be?

God I can't wait to get deeper into forensics accounting and fraud...

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #22)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 09:48 PM

31. Thanks for the truth. n/t

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #22)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 10:40 PM

33. Excellent work

I can't wait for you to get deeper into forensics accounting and fraud,

I hope we are lucky enough for you to continue that aspect of your chosen profession as your career specialty.
The country would benefit if you did.

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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #33)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 10:56 PM

38. Oh Wow...damn nice complement, thank you

Was sitting here with a headache from studying, until I read that

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #22)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 03:32 AM

44. Donating to AIPAC and AIPAC donating to politicians are

two different things.

As I said, AIPAC does not and cannot make political contributions. Clearly AIPAC has tremendous influence over who its members donate to.

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Response to cali (Reply #44)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 07:23 AM

45. Yes it is two separate items, however the over-the-top contributions are a matter of record...

So saying AIPAC cannot make donations while it is...

...well I will be diplomatic ... and say there is a failure in logic there.


There is a paper trail you know

I love paper trails.

The old adage is..."Follow the Money.." Not only that it's quite evident that AIPAC is a branch of the Israeli Govt.

For example:

In 2005, a Pentagon analyst pleaded guilty to charges of passing US government secrets to two AIPAC staffers in what is known as the AIPAC espionage scandal. Both staffers were later fired by AIPAC. In 2009 all charges against the former AIPAC employees were dropped.

Link

How many "Grassroots" lobbying firms get Govt secrets passed to them?

But there's more! it's also a one stop shop for the MIC

AIPAC has also supported the funding of a number of Israeli military projects that have resulted in new additions to the arsenal of the United States Armed Forces. One such outcome is the production of Israel's Arrow anti-missile system at a Boeing plant in Huntsville, Alabama for use by both the United States and Israel. Additionally, the U.S. military has purchased Israeli-made tank armor, unmanned aerial vehicles, and other technologies for use in its operations.

So it's part spy ring, part political contributor, part arms dealer. Very admirable and fearsomely efficient.

I have to steal line from Alien

"It's the perfect political organism. ..."
Lambert: You admire it.
Ash: I admire its purity. A survivor … unclouded by conscience, ...
Ash: Its structural perfection is matched only by its hostility.


Don't get me wrong, I am coming across stuff where the Chinese have bought a number of Republicans/Democrats too. But AIPAC has things down to a science. It's become much easier with "Citizen's United"

And it has such strident defenders too.

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #22)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 08:50 AM

47. Bam! Could those contributors be nation states?

Do the two primary contributors to AIPAC have to be discrete individuals?

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Response to NoodleyAppendage (Reply #47)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 08:59 AM

48. Yep, you hit the nail right on the head. They could be anyone..or any country

Hell all you have to do is create "shell" companies to funnel monies thru.

1. Say Israel creates a company.... "Israel R Us" LLC.
2. Israeli govt dumps 40 plus million into it. It turns around and contributes it to AIPAC.
3. Leave the company up or disolve it. Or use it for other things. Covert ops, disburse military contracts favorable to politicians that are favorable to you.

Funding schools and scholarships. Scholarships are like prepaid assets to give to American Congressmen/women's children. To pay the kids way thru school and apply more "leverage" on the politician, etc. After all it's not a "gift" it's a Scholarship".

Give jobs to politician's family...See Clarence Thomas's wife She's a great example that you can get away with anything.

Lots of creative things you can do.
After all your not even using your own counties money. I would imagine it all comes from our aid to Israel in the first place.

Now under Citizens United, you may not even need to create a shell company.

Citizens United basically puts us on the auction block just by itself.

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #12)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 10:49 PM

35. I'm confused. Should they give only to Jews?

What's your particular point? Wait! I know. Jews have all the money in the world. Jewish money is spoiling all your fun.

If only more of the right kind of people had all the money in the world.

Would you feel better if Hamas had a super pac? I understand it would be a little tricky but I'm sure it could be arranged.

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #12)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 01:12 AM

41. For $10,310,125 invested, they get billions in aid?

Not just direct aid, add in our military presence. That's a huge ROI.

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Response to Festivito (Reply #41)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 07:27 AM

46. Damn good ROI, even at the 63 million that goes into AIPAC

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Response to helveticas (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 09:44 AM

4. K&R

 

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Response to MotherPetrie (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 10:56 AM

7. Thank you Twice! :-)

 

Seriously, though, you're brave to endorse this thread, as are the others who've given durecs.

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Response to helveticas (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:25 AM

9. Oops, had a glitch there, but you're welcome!

 

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Response to MotherPetrie (Reply #9)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 12:47 PM

11. Is Okay

 

I've had entire years that were glitches!

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Response to helveticas (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 09:47 AM

5. K&R

 

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Response to helveticas (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:38 AM

10. The Lobby and the Aspens

Love their enemies not.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #10)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 01:57 PM

15. the aspen leaves

cast to the breeze
like green translucent thought

the senate sees
the aspen trees
shall keep them free of wont

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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #15)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 02:32 PM

16. Now *that* is art.

Twisted PNAC mind
War without end for OIL
Hobnailed banksters count.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #16)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 06:53 PM

23. Haiku?

 

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Response to helveticas (Reply #23)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 10:48 PM

34. It's a PNAC thing

They promote wholesale death, destruction, perpetual suffering and war for profit.

but we are to believe these sociopaths are sensitive thoughtful lovers of poetry, just ask Scooter, it's not like he was sending coded messages or anything , it is all just the product of a sensitive and fragile heart.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #16)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 10:51 PM

36. "Hobnailed"?

Try again.

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Response to helveticas (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 01:38 PM

13. It is SUPPOSED to be that way.

Isn't that written in the Bible somewhere?

So what can we helpless mortals do?

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Response to helveticas (Reply #29)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 10:53 PM

37. Sigh. Christians never ask "Chosen for WHAT?"

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Response to helveticas (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 02:55 PM

17. K & RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR! n/t

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Response to helveticas (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 03:26 PM

20. Except that IS NOT what Maher said.

Nothing but shitty writing making the expected ones get themselves all in a twitter. Pathetic.

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Response to helveticas (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 07:14 PM

26. Thank you for posting. +1 kick eom

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Response to helveticas (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 07:17 PM

27. No, The Israeli government does not control our Government

there is always some pressure from the Jewish vote but the Israelis are controlled by the US.

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Reply #27)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:31 PM

39. The "Jewish vote" is not pro Israel.

The pro Israel vote is the Neo Conservative vote. Mostly republicans but some ultra liberals. Otherwise, Israel is not really a top issue with most voters. Politicians receive large amounts of donations from pro Israel groups and individuals (Sheldon Adelson etc). It's about money not serving the Americans who elect them.

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Response to helveticas (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 08:00 PM

28. Im surprised he said that.

I always thought Maher was pro Israel.

But what do I know

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Response to Billz (Reply #49)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 05:01 PM

52. Hey Billz, welcome to DU!



--imm

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Response to helveticas (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 04:47 PM

51. Israel had a good President

 

Ysaac Rabin. It is the right-wing party that screws things up.

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