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Sat Feb 16, 2013, 08:23 AM

Office 2013: 'If your computer dies, so does your Office license'

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9236818/Office_2013_retail_licensing_change_ties_suite_to_specific_PC_forever

Office 2013 retail licensing change ties suite to specific PC forever
'If your computer dies, so does your Office license,' says licensing guru; move seen as prod to adopt subscription-based Office 365
By Gregg Keizer
February 15, 2013 10:28 AM ET

Computerworld - Microsoft yesterday confirmed that a retail copy of Office 2013 is permanently tied to the first PC on which it's installed, preventing customers from deleting the suite from one machine they own and installing it on another.

The move is a change from past Office end-user licensing agreements (EULAs), experts said, and is another way Microsoft is pushing customers, especially consumers, to opt for new "rent-not-own" subscription plans.

"That's a substantial shift in Microsoft licensing," said Daryl Ullman, co-founder and managing director of the Emerset Consulting Group, which specializes in helping companies negotiate software licensing deals. "Let's be frank. This is not in the consumer's best interest. They're paying more than before, because they're not getting the same benefits as before."

Prior to Office 2013, which debuted last month, Microsoft's EULA for retail copies of Office plainly stated that customers could reassign a license when, for example, they replaced an aged PC with a newer model or the original machine gave out.

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Reply Office 2013: 'If your computer dies, so does your Office license' (Original post)
jsr Feb 2013 OP
trumad Feb 2013 #1
EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #2
liberal N proud Feb 2013 #3
malaise Feb 2013 #6
liberal N proud Feb 2013 #7
DainBramaged Feb 2013 #23
phylny Feb 2013 #31
bakpakr Feb 2013 #4
Warren Stupidity Feb 2013 #12
Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #34
Prophet 451 Feb 2013 #38
MH1 Feb 2013 #14
bakpakr Feb 2013 #21
Daemonaquila Feb 2013 #15
csziggy Feb 2013 #29
stevenleser Feb 2013 #40
CrispyQ Feb 2013 #5
LeftInTX Feb 2013 #8
stevenleser Feb 2013 #41
quinnox Feb 2013 #9
Occulus Feb 2013 #26
white_wolf Feb 2013 #44
Berlum Feb 2013 #10
nc4bo Feb 2013 #11
unblock Feb 2013 #13
hobbit709 Feb 2013 #16
Bjorn Against Feb 2013 #17
sharp_stick Feb 2013 #18
lpbk2713 Feb 2013 #19
smccarter Feb 2013 #20
davidn3600 Feb 2013 #22
Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #33
forestpath Feb 2013 #24
flobee1 Feb 2013 #25
TM99 Feb 2013 #27
Downtown Hound Feb 2013 #37
Hard Assets Feb 2013 #42
Downtown Hound Feb 2013 #43
OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #28
still_one Feb 2013 #30
Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #32
Posteritatis Feb 2013 #35
bhikkhu Feb 2013 #36
ChromeFoundry Feb 2013 #39
Sen. Walter Sobchak Feb 2013 #45
Matariki Feb 2013 #46
davidpdx Feb 2013 #47

Response to jsr (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 08:24 AM

1. Someone will find the jailbreak...

they always do.

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Response to trumad (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 08:26 AM

2. They already have.

 

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Response to jsr (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 08:51 AM

3. Greed drives it all.

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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 08:58 AM

6. How fugging greedy are these people

This won't stand up in court. The Europeans will tear it down first.

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Response to malaise (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 08:59 AM

7. They want it all and they want it now

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Response to malaise (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 10:49 AM

23. Office 2013 SUCKS BILL GATES ASS

We needed Project at work, IT FRACKING DELETED OFFICE 2010 PROFESSIONAL DURING THE INSTALL. Microsoft said basically tough shit.



We told them they lost the sale. We returned to to Staples as defective.


We bought the old version on Ebay

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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #23)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:31 AM

31. I bought 2010 last weekend before it became

unavailable. I am not smart enough to work around Microsoft and figured I'd better grab 2010 while I could. At least I can use it three times.

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Response to jsr (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 08:55 AM

4. There are alternatives

There are alternatives that are just as good if not better and free.

Open Office

LibreOffice

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Response to bakpakr (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 09:09 AM

12. Actually office sucks but those suck even more.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #12)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:39 AM

34. Not at all, and the few problems that do exist only exist in the M$ Office environment. n/t

 

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #12)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:39 PM

38. No, they don't

I can't speak for Open Office but I've been using Libre Office for the last year and it's just as good as MS's offering.

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Response to bakpakr (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 09:33 AM

14. Too much of a pita if you have to use M$ for work

It's enough to learn one office suite well.

And when I tried playing with those a few years ago, I found it too difficult to move stuff between them.

I do recommend those alternatives to those who want an office suite for personal use and aren't rich. Also Google docs for basic stuff.

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Response to MH1 (Reply #14)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 10:47 AM

21. I use Libre

I use LibreOffice and have no problems interfacing with the MS Office products. A large number of individuals that I send documents to exclusively use the MS product and they have no issues opening and working with documents I send them produced in Libre. Also documents they send me I have no problems working with in Libre.

I use the Text, Spreadsheet, and Database documents.

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Response to bakpakr (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 09:39 AM

15. +1000

Way back when I managed a publishing company, I switched everyone over to OpenOffice. Its only fault then was speed, and currently it's better than the dumbed-down puke that M$ Office has become. It's sad that their product peaked at version 5.1a for OS 9.

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Response to bakpakr (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:23 AM

29. WordPerfect Office

WordPerfect Office X3 Standard Edition Full oem Version $16.95
http://www.buycheapsoftware.com/details~productID~3048.asp

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Response to bakpakr (Reply #4)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 12:44 AM

40. I use Open Office on my non-work PC. It does everything I need it to do so far. nt

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Response to jsr (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 08:57 AM

5. They've gotten rid of their "upgrade" pricing, too.

Want to upgrade from 07 to 10? Pay full price.

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Response to jsr (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 09:03 AM

8. I ditched MS Office for Open Office three years ago

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #8)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 12:45 AM

41. Yep. In the current version of Open Office, I can xfer docs between it and Word 2010 seemlessly

No issues at all.

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Response to jsr (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 09:05 AM

9. microsoft is doing one epic fail after another

If I used their Office program, I wouldn't bat an eye in finding a way around this pathetic scheme. And normally I never pirate stuff but this is absurd.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #9)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 10:57 AM

26. Yet this is PRECISELY the situation those who are routinely accused of "stealing" were

talking about.

Nobody here except the geekiest of geeks understood why DRM and online-only licensing for software was becoming a problem and more than a few always whipped out theft accusations, or accusations that people with very legitimate concerns "supported theft".

Well, now everyone gets to live with the results of not slapping down that short-sghted, dumb-as-a-box-of-rocks appeal-to-emotion logical fallacy. Those of us who were trying to point out how such measures only harm legitimate, paying customers now get to say "we fucking told you so, and you didn't listen to us at all."

Everyone who has a problem with this should pull up all the old DU threads regarding software and copyright, find those posters, and complain to them. Some of us tried to tell everyone this was where it was going and they're the ones who shouted us down.

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Response to Occulus (Reply #26)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 03:09 AM

44. It's been a problem among gamers for years now.

Every game I've bought the past few years has involved this bullshit DRM (well except the Witcher series by CDProcjeckt because they are awesome.)Honestly I think it creates more piarting then it prevents because it really pissed people off to be told they can't use the product they paid for on more than one of their computers. It seems like M$ is moving in that direction with consoles as well. Appearently the next Xbox won't allow used games. So I guess I can't loan games to my friends or take them over to a friend's house without packing up my Xbox. Honestly, I probably won't even buy one for that reason alone. It's utterly riddicuious.

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Response to jsr (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 09:06 AM

10. Genetically Modified Software (R)

Screw that....

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Response to jsr (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 09:09 AM

11. That is serious f'd up! I use OpenOffice and could care less what M$ does with the Office product.

Everyone else should give it a try before they buy M$Office too.

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Response to jsr (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 09:19 AM

13. microswift, of course, was practically founded on the independence of software from hardware.

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Response to jsr (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 09:41 AM

16. WordPerfect and LibreOffice for me.

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Response to jsr (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 09:50 AM

17. I suspect Microsoft Office will not be the standard for much longer

I think a lot of companies are going to start looking for alternatives to Microsoft Office as they don't want to keep repurchasing software they already paid for. Google is growing fast and I suspect that soon they are going to reveal that they are working on their own PC Operating System to compete with Windows and an Office Suite to go along with it. Google actually has the resources to pose a serious threat to Microsoft and if Microsoft keeps doing things like this to piss off their customers then I could easily see Google absolutely destroying them in the not too distant future.

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Response to jsr (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 10:28 AM

18. I'd never pay for that

I don't need all the bells and whistles for at home use, I think few people do.

We get Microsoft at Home through our corporate license which allows me to get the Enterprise version for something like $20 including disc. This is cheap enough that I'll use it just to make sure all my documents are coherent.

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Response to jsr (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 10:38 AM

19. I see a robust future for Open Office




Personally, I use an older WordPerfect Suite and and that's good enough for me.


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Response to jsr (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 10:45 AM

20. Listen to this...

I purchased MS Vista Ultimate Edition off the shelf.... not on a PC... some time ago. I wiped the hard drive on my laptop and installed it there. A few years later, I replaced Vista with Ubuntu on the laptop and created a virtual machine on a server where I installed Vista - my licensed copy of Vista. When I tried to validate the product, I was prompted with a message that the license key was invalid. Called Microsoft... was told that the OS was licensed to be used on only 1 machine. That I couldn't move the OS to a different machine.

I've since replaced my Windows OS with Ubuntu server 64 bit on the server. I've been an extremely happy Linux user from that point on. Free OS, and free software.

It's not that I mind paying for a product. I actually don't mind at all. But when I'm being forced to re-purchase the same product over and over, that's where I draw the line. The alternative - Ubuntu/Linux - is a very good one. Easy to install, easy to configure, easy easy easy. And... Not 1 virus alert since moving from MS to Linux. It's a very stable and secure platform.

Now... back to MS Office.... I use Open Office. Took a while to get used to it, but I can't see one reason why I would ever pay MS for a licensed copy of Office when I can use this perfectly good alternative. And for free.

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Response to smccarter (Reply #20)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 10:48 AM

22. Microsoft knows most people dont have the patience

They know the vast majority will just pony up the cash.

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Response to smccarter (Reply #20)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:36 AM

33. Get this. Even upgrading your processor or a memory and HDD change will

 

invalidate your license.

Other nations don't let them get away with this crap.

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Response to jsr (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 10:52 AM

24. Fuck Microsoft. I still use Office 2003.

 

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Response to jsr (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 10:53 AM

25. even if open office or libre office sucks

ITS FREE!
I would rather have something sub-par for free than to pay 10 bucks a month for something that is still sub-par!


the free alternatives are not the PITA that they used to be-a little tweaking, and you have a very user friendly set of programs

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Response to flobee1 (Reply #25)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:10 AM

27. Agreed

Open Office and Libre Office no longer suck as bad as they used to.

Like any piece of software, they continue to evolve. Their compatibility is excellent, however, there will always be exceptions. But honestly, Microsoft often makes their formats moving targets for even their own previous versions of Office.

If someone is a serious desktop publisher, they won't be using Microsoft Office anyway. If someone is need a resume in Word, a .doc from Office 2000 will still open in current versions and look just fine. So will an OO .doc.

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Response to flobee1 (Reply #25)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 02:29 PM

37. The thing is, Open Office doesn't suck

It's almost an exact copy of MS Office 2003, which was by far the best version of MS Office ever. Ever since then all they've done is junk it up with needless extras so they can continue getting people to pay the extra money for the new release. But Open Office will be more than sufficient for 95% of all computer users out there.

The only reason I still even have MS Office on my computer is because I'm in IT and need to keep up to date on technology. If I wasn't, I would gladly and cheerfully ditch MS Office and just use Open Office.

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Response to Downtown Hound (Reply #37)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 12:53 AM

42. I use Excel daily..

 

I have a spread sheet that actually transfers realtime data from another website. I wonder if Open Office can do that (and perform it better).

If I can, then I am willing to dump 8 and go Ubuntu on this laptop.

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Response to Hard Assets (Reply #42)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 03:00 AM

43. Open Office does have a spreadsheet program that is modeled after Excel

I don't use it very much, but the few times I did it performed pretty much almost exactly like Excel does. I would advise you to download Open Office and give it a try and see if it will work for you. Since it's free, you have nothing to lose.

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Response to jsr (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:18 AM

28. Cutting the throat of their own revenue stream and driving users to free alternatives....

....REALLY dumb move Microsoft, all based on greed.

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Response to jsr (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:29 AM

30. That is why one should use backup programs such as Acronis which copy the disk image for the backup

of course if people are tired of paying the high fees their are plenty of alternatives. Open office for one

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Response to jsr (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:33 AM

32. I'm still amazed that so many businesses still use that collection of garbage. n/t

 

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Response to jsr (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 12:06 PM

35. I wonder if that counts swapping out a component as a new PC

A lot of licenses tied to a particular system have that problem. Upgrade the RAM and video card and bam, you have to purchase a bunch of software again.

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Response to jsr (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 12:44 PM

36. That kind of crap is why I quit microsoft 10 years ago

...when I lost a hard drive on a fairly new computer and the recovery discs had some glitch that wouldn't let me reinstall the windows OS. I called Microsoft and they kindly told me the only option was for me to buy a new set of Windows discs, with a new license, for $139.

Then six months later the same damn thing happened on a second computer - virus took down the hard-drive and I had to reformat it and reinstall the OS. This computer came with no recovery discs, but I figured "no problem! I have the Windows program I just bought!" - but no, the activation key would only work once, for one install. I called Microsoft and explained the situation, how I had bought the first computer with Windows, then had to buy the OS again when it failed, and now I had bought a second computer with Windows - why should I have to buy the OS again? But that's what they said - the best they could do is sell me another activation key, for $139.

Wouldn't it be nice if you bought a car, and every time it broke down and you took it in for service they said "sorry, not serviceable, time to buy a new car!"

Anyway, I switched that second computer to Ubuntu and its been great. For the last ten years of development, Ubuntu has always been better than windows, one step ahead, and the latest version is the best yet. Admittedly, I don't like Open Office as much as MS Office, but it does everything I need to well enough, without all the MS bullshit.

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Response to jsr (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 12:06 AM

39. Simple solution - Virtual Machine

Just, install it and activate it on a VMWare virtual and put it on a USB 3.0 portable drive.
Now you just need the free VMWare Player and you can take it to any workstation you want.
Set it up on a Linux host and your MS Operating System that is activated isn't tied to specific hardware either.

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Response to jsr (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 03:49 AM

45. Our Microsoft account reps can't even lucidly explain Microsoft Licensing

I'm not going to go by the statement of some marketing person.

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Response to jsr (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 06:28 AM

46. Guess I'll be sticking w/ 2010. Or better yet, back to OpenOffice

Sometimes Microsoft makes some pretty dumb decisions.

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Response to jsr (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 09:04 AM

47. I'm glad I got a copy of 2010 because I won't be buying 2013

Each disk allows three installations. When I buy a new laptop I buy it without the office suite and use my old one. Since I was a student I got a basic copy for $99. Unfortunately I will need it until I finish my dissertation.

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