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Fri Feb 15, 2013, 08:11 AM

Great article: "Can the Republicans Be Saved From Obsolescence?"

Can the Republicans Be Saved From Obsolescence? by Robert Draper
(NY Times Magazine, February 14, 2013)

But the problem for the G.O.P. extends well beyond its flawed candidate and his flawed operation. The unnerving truth, which the Red Edge team (a digital-advocacy group for conservative causes) and other younger conservatives worry that their leaders have yet to appreciate, is that the Republican Party’s technological deficiencies barely begin to explain why the G.O.P. has lost the popular vote in five of the last six presidential elections. The party brand — which is to say, its message and its messengers — has become practically abhorrent to emerging demographic groups like Latinos and African-Americans, not to mention an entire generation of young voters. As one of the party’s most highly respected strategists told me: “It ought to concern people that the most Republican part of the electorate under Ronald Reagan were 18-to-29-year-olds. And today, people I know who are under 40 are embarrassed to say they’re Republicans. They’re embarrassed! They get harassed for it, the same way we used to give liberals a hard time.”

It was not long after the election that elder statesmen of the G.O.P. began offering assurances that all would soon be right. But younger Republicans were not buying it. On Dec. 6, (Romney digital adviser Zac) Moffatt addressed an audience of party digital specialists at the R.N.C.’s Capitol Hill Club. Moffatt spoke confidently about how, among other things, the Romney digital team had pretty much all the same tools the Obama campaign possessed. Bret Jacobson (of Red Edge) was shocked when he read about Moffatt’s claim the next day. “That’s like saying, ‘This Potemkin village will bring us all prosperity!’ ” Jacobson told me. “There’s something to be said for putting on a happy face — except when it makes you sound like Baghdad Bob.”

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About an hour into the (all-women focus group) session, (GOP pollster Kristin) Anderson walked up to a whiteboard and took out a magic marker. “I’m going to write down a word, and you guys free-associate with whatever comes to mind,” she said. The first word she wrote was “Democrat.” “Young people,” one woman called out. “Liberal,” another said. Followed by: “Diverse.” “Bill Clinton.”“Change.”“Open-minded.”“Spending.”“Handouts.”“Green.”“More science-based.”

When Anderson then wrote “Republican,” the outburst was immediate and vehement: “Corporate greed.”“Old.”“Middle-aged white men.” “Rich.” “Religious.” “Conservative.” “Hypocritical.” “Military retirees.” “Narrow-minded.” “Rigid.” “Not progressive.” “Polarizing.” “Stuck in their ways.” “Farmers.” The session with the young men was equally jarring. None of them expressed great enthusiasm for Obama. But their depiction of Republicans was even more lacerating than the women’s had been. “Racist,” “out of touch” and “hateful” made the list — “and put ‘1950s’ on there too!” one called out.


This insightful article is quite long but it's very well written and well worth reading.

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mwb970 Feb 2013 OP
HughBeaumont Feb 2013 #1
auburngrad82 Feb 2013 #2
mountain grammy Feb 2013 #7
Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2013 #3
Euphoria Feb 2013 #9
AlbertCat Feb 2013 #11
iandhr Feb 2013 #21
Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2013 #23
iandhr Feb 2013 #26
klyon Feb 2013 #30
Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2013 #41
Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #4
KurtNYC Feb 2013 #5
Uben Feb 2013 #6
mountain grammy Feb 2013 #8
Jerry442 Feb 2013 #10
RC Feb 2013 #29
democrat_cop Feb 2013 #12
NBachers Feb 2013 #13
mwb970 Feb 2013 #19
99Forever Feb 2013 #14
randome Feb 2013 #18
SHRED Feb 2013 #15
kimbutgar Feb 2013 #16
samsingh Feb 2013 #17
Downtown Hound Feb 2013 #20
bloomington-lib Feb 2013 #22
Sen. Walter Sobchak Feb 2013 #24
klyon Feb 2013 #31
Sen. Walter Sobchak Feb 2013 #32
klyon Feb 2013 #33
Sen. Walter Sobchak Feb 2013 #34
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #35
klyon Feb 2013 #39
klyon Feb 2013 #40
IDemo Feb 2013 #25
reformist2 Feb 2013 #27
JustAnotherGen Feb 2013 #28
cranberry Feb 2013 #36
KharmaTrain Feb 2013 #37
WinkyDink Feb 2013 #38

Response to mwb970 (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 08:31 AM

1. Not really, because it's not in a conservative's nature to change.

It's not in their nature to admit error either.

Here's a cherry-picked, but telling, sentence about how they think:

The group of a half-dozen or so conservative pundits and consultants calls itself Proximus, which is Latin for “next,” and they seem to revel in their internal disagreements. One of them argued, “Not all regulation is bad,” while another countered, “I hate all regulations, every single one of them” — including, he cheerfully admitted, minimum-wage and child-labor laws.


I don't know what's worse with them . . . the fact that they still embrace Borrow-and-Waste Reaganomics on Steroids, that they still cling to this "liberal media" crap, that they won't admonish and disown their far-far-right nutbars, or that their social and international agendas are hate-centric piles of shit that need to be landfilled with every copy of The Laffer Curve.

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Response to mwb970 (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 08:31 AM

2. The article gives me hope for the future

I'm way past wanting to just win control of the House. I want the GOP to be a permanent minority party so we never have to deal with them again. From the article it appears that it really could happen.

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Response to auburngrad82 (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 09:29 AM

7. It won't happen untill we get Republicans out of statehouses

and that's not easy with the money and influence that pours into local elections, but, it can be done. Fight the ignorance and apathy every day.

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Response to mwb970 (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 08:33 AM

3. Frankly, I am unconcerned about whether or not the GOP survives

Until they sober up, I just want them out of the way where they can't keep reflexively thwarting any and all progress in this country. They want to live in a Fox News teabagging fantasy world, fine. But they ought to just find a deserted island somewhere they can set up their own dystopia and leave us forward-thinking people alone.

BTW is anybody else getting tired, after 3 months of these kind of stories about what it will take to "save" the Republican Party? I don't recall a flurry of articles like this back in 2001 or 2005 about Democrats and, at any rate, it's up to them whether or not they plan on remaining relevant (so far, they seem to be reflexively doubling down on their obstructionism and teabaggerism). I don't care if they go the way of the Dodo and most non-Republicans probably don't care much either. I guess the corporate media cares a lot because if the Republicans fade away as a major party, they may have to pay higher taxes or something?

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 09:42 AM

9. seconded!

why give them any time, energy or concern?
They certainly don't care about me, my energy, my concerns or, most importantly, my point of view.

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Response to Euphoria (Reply #9)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 10:01 AM

11. Thirded

Some political "philosophies" become obsolete and need to just disappear. It's happened before... Whigs, Know-nothings...

Here's a list of defunct USA parties from Wiki:

Federalist Party (c. 1789 – c. 1820)
Anti-Federalist Party (c. 1789 – c. 1792)
Democratic-Republican Party (1792 – c. 1824)
Toleration Party (1816 – c. 1827)
Anti-Masonic Party (1826–1838)
National Republican Party (1825–1833)
Nullifier Party (1830–1839)
Whig Party (1833–1856)
Liberty Party (1840–1848)
Law and Order Party of Rhode Island (1840s)
Free Soil Party (1848–1855)
Anti-Nebraska Party (1854)
American Republican Party (1843–1854)
American Party (a.k.a. "Know-Nothings") (c. 1854 – 1858)
Opposition Party (1854–1858)
Constitutional Union Party (1860)
Unconditional Union Party (1861-1866)
National Union Party, (1864–1868)
Readjuster Party (1870–1885)
People's Party of Utah (1870–1891)
Liberal Party (Utah) (1870–1893)
Liberal Republican Party (1872)
Greenback Party (1874–1884)
Socialist Labor Party of America (1876-2008)
Anti-Monopoly Party (1884)
People's Party (a.k.a. "Populists") (1887–1908)
Silver Party (1892–1902)
National Democratic Party ("Gold Democrats") (1896–1900)
Silver Republican Party (1896–1900)
Social Democratic Party (1898–1901)
Home Rule Party of Hawaii (1900–1912)
Socialist Party of America (1901–1972)
Independence Party (a.k.a. "Independence League") (1906–1914)
Progressive Party 1912 (a.k.a. "Bull Moose Party") (1912–1914)
National Woman's Party (1913–1930)
Non-Partisan League (1915–1956)
Farmer-Labor Party (1918–1944)
Proletarian Party of America (1920–1971)
Progressive Party 1924 (1924)
Communist League of America (1928–1934)
American Workers Party (1933–1934)
Workers Party of the United States (1934–1938)
Union Party (1936)
American Labor Party (1936–1956)
America First Party (1944) (1944–1996)
States' Rights Democratic Party (a.k.a. "Dixiecrats") (1948)
Progressive Party 1948 (1948–1955)
Vegetarian Party (1948–1964)
Puerto Rican Nationalist Party (1922-1965)
Constitution Party (1950s) (1952–1968?)
American Nazi Party (1959–1967)
Puerto Rican Socialist Party (1959–1993)
Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party (1964)
Black Panther Party (1966–1970s)
Youth International Party (a.k.a. "Yippies") (1967)
Communist Workers Party (1969–1985)
People's Party (1971–1976)
New Union Party (1974-2005?)
U.S. Labor Party (1975–1979)
Concerned Citizens Party (1975–1992)
Citizens Party (1979–1984)
New Alliance Party (1979–1992)
Populist Party of 1980s–1990s (1984–1994)
Looking Back Party (1984–1996)
Independent Party of Utah (1988–1996)
A Connecticut Party (1990-?)
New Party (1992–1998)
Aloha Aina Party (1997-2000?)
Marijuana Reform Party (1998-2002)
Natural Law Party (1992–2004)
Southern Party (1999-2003)
Veterans Party (2003–2008)
Christian Freedom Party (2004)
Personal Choice Party (2004-2006?)
Labor Party (1996-2007)
United Citizens Party (1969-2008?)
The American Party (1969-2008)
Moderate Party (Illinois) (2005-2008)
Populist Party of Maryland (2004-2008)
New Jersey Conservative Party (1992-2009)
American Populist Party (2009-2010)
Republican Moderate Party of Alaska (1986-2011)
Taxpayers Party of New York (2010-2011)
Freedom Party of New York (2010-2011)
Florida Whig Party (2006-2012)
Boston Tea Party (2006-2012)

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 11:47 AM

21. Having rational opposition party is good for the country.

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Response to iandhr (Reply #21)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 01:36 PM

23. I get that

but the Republicans- as they currently exist- have become irrational and unhinged and can't be dealt with honestly nor in good faith. If it takes electoral oblivion for them for some of the more rational elements of the Republicanverse to return and get back to business, then so be it.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #23)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 02:33 PM

26. Couldn't agree more.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 06:13 PM

30. very true -- we should stop giving them the answers

fortunately they don't listen well
as long as they think they are innovators we are good
We need to prevent them from stealing elections.

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Response to klyon (Reply #30)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:56 AM

41. They've really reached the point- thanks to 2010 midterms-where they're largely "winning" by numbers

but not by ideas/policies (outside of the south and some western states).

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Response to mwb970 (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 08:36 AM

4. Only if we help them

which is not beyond the real of possibility.

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Response to mwb970 (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 08:52 AM

5. There is a sense of desperation in the GOP that has them piling on any perceived

opportunity or magic personality. In 2008, they saw Sarah Palin NOT as the person who sank McCain once and for all, but as a savior who would revitalize the GOP with her MILF-iness and down home spunk. 5 years later she is only a punchline and political non-factor and they have jumped to a new savior -- Mark Rubio.

Rubio, which means "blonde" in Spanish btw, has already melted under the pressure and will likely soon be thrown on the crap heap beside yet another fallen savior of theirs, Paul Ryan.

So much for focus groups.

Another thing that I think all of us should take away from the 2012 elections is that running AGAINST something only gets you so far. There is a tendency on both sides but perhaps more so on the Right, for groups to define themselves by what they are not or what they are supposedly against. Romney infamously defined his campaign as being not the 47%. On our side we rail against Fox News but that just puts them center stage. It reminds me of the book title "Don't think of an Elephant." To be clear, it isn't wrong to say what one is against but if you are trying to rally people to your side and your cause then you have be strong and direct about what you WILL do and keep what you WON'T do to under 40% or so of your overall messaging. Just for example, if Romney has laid out some details of a REAL plan to create X million jobs and tapped into Americans' childlike sense of optimism and exceptional ism, then the race might have been much closer. Fear of the known doesn't work when the other option is an unknown.

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Response to mwb970 (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 09:17 AM

6. "You can't fix stupid"

I think that sums it up pretty good.

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Response to Uben (Reply #6)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 09:31 AM

8. But we can quit electing them.

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Response to mwb970 (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 09:45 AM

10. The Republican Party is alive and thriving....

...they just call themselves Democrats these days. I wish someone would put the nominal Republican party out of it's misery so that a center-left party would have an opportunity to grow.

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Response to Jerry442 (Reply #10)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 03:53 PM

29. Bingo!

 

What he said.
Why are so many people oblivious to the obvious? Democrats now ARE the Republican party of old. In a few years, at the rate tey are going, they will be the Republican Party of now.

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Response to mwb970 (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 10:19 AM

12. hate is their base

since gingrich, their platform has been simply, fear, hate and anger. If they are to succeed they have to find something or someone to fear and hate that doesn't vote.

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Response to mwb970 (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 10:27 AM

13. Oh god, another "How to save the republican party" paper

I don't want to save the republican party, I want to drive a stake through it's heart, and scatter its parts far and wide, so they can never re-assemble and rise again from the dead.

Don't save them, destroy them.

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Response to NBachers (Reply #13)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 10:53 AM

19. Did you read the whole article?

It is actually about the contrast between the way the Democrats and republicans are handling social media and modern technology in general, with Democrats WAY ahead. I found it illuminating with regard to the underlying mindsets of the two parties and how this affects their messaging. The analysis seemed unusually well thought out and expressed to me.

I too am tired of "how to save the republicans" articles. This isn't one of them.

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Response to mwb970 (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 10:36 AM

14. I've seen this victory dance before...

... and it reminds me of the idiocy of counting chickens before they hatch.

If you think the insidious philosophy of greed and corruption is going away anytime soon, if ever, you're living in a fantasy world.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #14)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 10:51 AM

18. I've seen it, too. But I think this is different.

McCain/Palin followed by Romney/Ryan followed by...Marco Rubio? They have nothing but losers waiting in the wings.

The demographics are different, also.

In a way, I agree, it's a little like crying 'Wolf!' too often. But eventually, the wolf is real, and there is a wolf at the GOP door now, huffing and puffing and about to blow the house down.

The tide is changing.

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Response to mwb970 (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 10:36 AM

15. I want to save the whole political system



Big money has ruined both parties.


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Response to mwb970 (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 10:45 AM

16. I remember after the 2008 election they were saying the republicans were done

They took back the house in 2010 and retained it by gerrymandering in 2012. This party has too much money and too many brainwashed gullible people to die. While I don't see them successfully re branding themselves they will be around for a long time. The service to self types who are the republican party have been around since the beginning of recorded history, we constantly have to keep fighting them back as we have successfully. But like moles they keep re-emerging and we have to whack them down. In 2014 we better be prepared with a big ass mallet.

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Response to mwb970 (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 10:46 AM

17. no - as society becomes more educated and smarter, more spiritual

the repugs will shrink until they are a tiny disgusting stump of smelly gas

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Response to mwb970 (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 11:26 AM

20. Let's hope not. n/t

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Response to mwb970 (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:48 PM

22. This quote is nice: " "the bigger problem they’ve got with Latinos isn’t immigration. It’s their

economic policies and health care. The group that supported the president’s health care bill the most? Latinos.”

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Response to mwb970 (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 01:51 PM

24. to quote my very elderly father...

"The dirt bags who went to woodstock elected Reagan twice."

Whatever their message there will always be assholes who grow into it.

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Response to Sen. Walter Sobchak (Reply #24)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 06:33 PM

31. we did not not elect raygun

Last edited Fri Feb 15, 2013, 08:11 PM - Edit history (1)

Your father just doesn't like hippies, it was his friends and neighbors that fell for Uncle Ronnie's salesmanship. He was a mouth piece for the have too much and want more crowd that still stink up the repub's party

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Response to klyon (Reply #31)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 08:05 PM

32. indeed my father didn't like hippies, but his point is simple,

The values one holds in their youth don't necessarily predict future behavior, there will always be people who get middle-aged and cranky and find the misanthropy of the Republican Party appealing.

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Response to Sen. Walter Sobchak (Reply #32)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 08:10 PM

33. still don't buy it

hippies maybe didn't vote but they sure didn't vote for Ronnie
besides there really wasn't that many real hippies to swing the election
check how many states he won for his second term that will tell you
You really think that dope smoking kids were part of the moral majority?
Get a grip, your father is just flat wrong

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Response to klyon (Reply #33)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 09:42 PM

34. You completely miss the point!

They grew up and ceased to be hippies.

Just because some twenty year old today is a Ron Paul supporter or Occupier or vegan or whatever doesn't mean those beliefs will hold through life.

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Response to Sen. Walter Sobchak (Reply #34)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 09:50 PM

35. I was 18 and liberal

I am middle age and have become more liberal.

So I would not bet on people going 180.

A former friend was libertarian. He's hard right.

Some of this seems to be brain biology.

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Response to Sen. Walter Sobchak (Reply #34)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 10:33 AM

39. no

people don't change that much
you missed my point that there were not that many to matter

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Response to Sen. Walter Sobchak (Reply #34)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 10:50 AM

40. so if they cease to be hippies than hippies did not elect Reagan

hippies did not like either party
the dems were sending them to war, killing them at Kent State and arresting them in Chicago
they didn't have a good opinion of Repubs either
I personally stop voting after the killing of RFK and did not vote again until late 80's
your statement is just silly
no need to respond again

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Response to mwb970 (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 02:30 PM

25. And yet,

The MSM continues to propagate the "Both Sides Do It" bs, along with presenting the latest air-headed idea or policy proposal from the right as if it is as fully deserving of serious analysis as whatever the Democrats have to offer.

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Response to mwb970 (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 02:33 PM

27. Neither party learns until they are buried in a presidential election landslide, 49 states to 1.


I'm thinking the Repugs won't hit rock bottom until 2020, when Elizabeth Warren is re-elected president in the biggest landslide in US history.

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Response to mwb970 (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 02:35 PM

28. I really really REALLY

Hope they cannot be saved!

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Response to mwb970 (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 07:52 AM

36. Anti Nebraska Party?

What the hell?

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Response to mwb970 (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 08:09 AM

37. Products Of Our Environment...

...many of us on DU are of the "boomer" generation who grew up with the scepter of Vietnam over our heads and witnessed the rise of the civil rights movement. The most dynamic leaders of that era were predominately Democrats...and while a few pealed off to become neo-cons and rushpublicans, a large percentage of us...especially women...have been and remain strong Democrats. It's the "Yuppies" whose political "awakening" happening was in the late 70s and early 80s glammed onto Raygun and the rushpublicans. Carter took the blame for oil crisis, high inflation (which was the result of Nixon and Ford) and Iran...it became cool to be a "Raygun Democrat" that evolved into the dittoheads and wingnuts of today.

Fast forward to the last 20 years and once again the dynamic has shifted to the Democrats. Bill Clinton presided over an era of relative prosperity and a positive reimaging of the party. It was georgie dubya that was the real game changer here. His creating two wars for profit along with creating a hostile economy for young people has created the one-two punch the focus group above is showing. Once the door is opened then other issues such as a woman's right to chose, marriage equality and other social issues begin to take hold as well. I've seen it in my own children...the fear of having to go off to fight for an oil company's profits made them aware of what other evils that corrupt party represents.

The rushpublicans are too busy living in their bubble and refusing to come out. The longer they stay in there, the less relevant they'll become. Unfortunately their game now is to make government as toxic as they've made politics in general. They hope people will get so turned off on government they'll want to ignore it and let the rushpublicans slip in again for another round of plundering the economy...

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Response to mwb970 (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 08:20 AM

38. Not if there is a God.

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