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Thu Feb 14, 2013, 11:15 PM

Triumph also had another issue

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(AP) DALLAS - U.S. marshals briefly seized a cruise ship in coastal Texas on Saturday under a judge's order in a $10 million lawsuit filed on behalf of a woman who died in the Italian cruise ship disaster.

The Carnival Triumph was seized for several hours at its port in Galveston, where it was scheduled to leave with 2,700 passengers. Both sides said they reached a confidential deal late Saturday afternoon that released the ship for its five-day cruise to Mexico.

A Texas judge had ordered the seizure to secure the plaintiff's claims against Carnival Corp., the Miami-based parent company of the Italian cruise line whose ship hit a reef and sank off an Italian island in January. The lawsuit was filed Thursday on behalf of a German woman who died in the wreck, which killed 32 people.

Plaintiff attorney John Eaves Jr. said he didn't file the lawsuit to inconvenience passengers of the Carnival Triumph, but rather to emphasize to Carnival the need for improved safety. He said terms of Saturday's agreement were confidential.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57407639/carnival-cruise-ship-briefly-seized-in-texas/


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Reply Triumph also had another issue (Original post)
nmbluesky Feb 2013 OP
jsr Feb 2013 #1
JaneyVee Feb 2013 #5
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #6
JaneyVee Feb 2013 #8
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #12
malaise Feb 2013 #22
Lurker Deluxe Feb 2013 #24
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #25
Lurker Deluxe Feb 2013 #26
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #27
Lurker Deluxe Feb 2013 #29
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #30
Lurker Deluxe Feb 2013 #32
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #34
Lurker Deluxe Feb 2013 #37
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #38
Lurker Deluxe Feb 2013 #31
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #33
Lurker Deluxe Feb 2013 #35
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #36
cloudbase Feb 2013 #49
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #50
cloudbase Feb 2013 #52
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #53
zappaman Feb 2013 #54
oldhippie Feb 2013 #44
Lurker Deluxe Feb 2013 #45
oldhippie Feb 2013 #48
oldhippie Feb 2013 #40
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #42
oldhippie Feb 2013 #43
Floyd_Gondolli Feb 2013 #46
MADem Feb 2013 #41
pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #7
nmbluesky Feb 2013 #9
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #14
frylock Feb 2013 #18
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #19
Politicalboi Feb 2013 #2
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #4
jsr Feb 2013 #11
MADem Feb 2013 #17
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #3
customerserviceguy Feb 2013 #10
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #13
customerserviceguy Feb 2013 #20
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #21
Floyd_Gondolli Feb 2013 #47
Lurker Deluxe Feb 2013 #51
MADem Feb 2013 #15
pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #16
CatWoman Feb 2013 #23
MADem Feb 2013 #28
myrna minx Feb 2013 #39

Response to nmbluesky (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 11:20 PM

1. While his customers were walking in shit:



Carnival owner Micky Arison watches his team Miami Heat play on Tuesday night as thousands of his cruise ship passengers remained stranded at sea

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Response to jsr (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 11:23 PM

5. What does he care, he's filthy rich and has the "big, evil" Govt to rely on to tug his limping

private sector boat back to shore.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 11:25 PM

6. And n the Mexican Navy no less.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 11:28 PM

8. What a metaphor for our times. Govt rescues the limping private sector. Atlas hugged.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #8)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 11:32 PM

12. Last time around, when the mighty Chihuahua pulled the other Carnival ship in,

I found the Mexican Navy crew downtown, by sheer luck. I bought the four sailors lunch. They were shocked somebody in the States knew.

I just wanted to thank them for a job well done. They had them bunk up in the Navy Base, had PX privileges, and were treated by their USN counterparts very well.

I notice the people getting off, some of these folks are, rightfully so, pissed off.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #8)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 11:14 AM

22. DUzy

a perfect metaphor

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:15 PM

24. Wait

Are you suggesting that was a US Gov. tug that towed the vessel into port?

And, also suggesting that Canival will not be picking up a tab for that tow?

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Response to Lurker Deluxe (Reply #24)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:16 PM

25. It was a Mexican Government sea going tugs...

And they will be billed.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #25)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:18 PM

26. Where did you find that information?

I have seen no such info.

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Response to Lurker Deluxe (Reply #26)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:22 PM

27. Mexican media

They deployed from the port of Progresso.

There is a lot the American media is not telling, again. This happened, the fire that is, in Mexican waters. They claim 200 nautical lines. The Mexican Navy scrambled once they finally, took 12 hours, issued an SOS.

Those were Navy tugs. They will bill Carnival. Third accident they respond from Carnival in 18 months...they are not amused.

Correction, one of the two tugs was a subsidiary of PEMEX.

http://www.progresohoy.com/noticias/carnival-triumph-arribara-progreso-esta-noche-tras-incendio-capitania-puerto-6357/

I hope your Spanish is good. That story is full of info that CNN ain't telling you.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #27)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:31 PM

29. Very interesting

As for what we have been told, being Carnival is a customer and we had people on the boat. Resolve Marine group out of Florida towed the vessel in. Seems the Coast Guard pretty much has said the same thing.

http://www.uscgnews.com/go/doc/4007/1701703/UPDATE-Coast-Guard-escorts-disabled-cruise-ship-under-tow-to-Alabama

Now, it may very well be true that a Mexican flagged vessel was the first to get to the scene I have heard nothing about them actually hooking up to it.

If you think that 3 incidents in 18 months from one vendor is something "they are not amused" over I would hate to think what their opinion is of Mearsk or any of the other companies moving freight.

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Response to Lurker Deluxe (Reply #29)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:40 PM

30. Funny, two of the tugs had Mexican flags. They used four at the end.

I guess when they towed to San Diego they were unable to hide it. And I am not kidding.

FYI, they even told us the name of that tug, one of the tugs, the Chihuahua.

I find it troubling, to put it mildly. It is like our media has a need to cuddle and protect people from the rest of the word, and that the rest of the world can do stuff too.

I will add, you could not pay me to get on board a Carnival vessel, any of them.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #30)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:52 PM

32. I get that you have a bias against Carnival

I can see that in your posts, and you have every right to your opinion on a company and decide to do business with them or not.

However, we are speaking about this event.

CNN and other news media here were out in the Gulf in boats all around this damn thing for the last day and a half and I never saw the tugs of which you speak, that is not to say that they were not there.

As far as the media is concerned I am not to sure that I would boast about the Mexican news media being any more objective then the US media. We do have a facility there in Vera Cruz and I have spent some time there, enough to know that everything you read there is not the actual truth ... pretty much just like here in the States.

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Response to Lurker Deluxe (Reply #32)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:55 PM

34. Did CNN tell you the failures?

And carnival has had 3 accidents where ships are dead in the water, and one sinking off the coast of Italy. That is not a great record...

Have a good day.

You go on believing whatever, CNN fail, the why was missing.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #34)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 01:06 PM

37. Really?

The why?

You know the why?

Please, tell me why this happened? I mean why ... not, an engine fire. Tell me what system broke and why the fire started?

Please ... tell me.

You know about Carnival because it is in the news, right now in the Port of Houston there are several vessels that are broken and being repaired. Happens every day, all across the globe.

You have a good day too.

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Response to Lurker Deluxe (Reply #37)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 01:07 PM

38. And we all know it happens all the time with 3000 passengers on board

I look at where a ship is flagged when I look at a cruise, Panama and Liberia are cheap sobs, and a red flag.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #27)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:46 PM

31. That article is all full of wrong

First thing that jumps out is the mention of "turbines" for propultion. The vessel is deisel electric and has no turbine, it is driven by a series of electric thrusters.

It also states that the vessel will be pulled to Mexico, which it obviously was not. And I saw absolutly no mention of the Mexican Navy involved at all.

I see nothing in that article that is "full of info that CNN ain't telling you". I do a lot of speculation from people who have no idea what really happened.

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Response to Lurker Deluxe (Reply #31)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:53 PM

33. Which the line decided against

Like the one that failed off the coast of Baja. (For the same damn reason I bet...port fees, emergency inspections)

Oh and my local nooz station, doing a better job than CNN, did also mention the original plan to tow to Progresso, changed at the last minute by Carnival. So will you also say my local abc affiliate was lying?

It is diesel electric, and they are still called turbines.

You are getting cuddled. I also learned far more of the issues with that vessel than 48 hours of CNN, which kept calling an ocean going ship, a boat. You know the definition of ship and boat, I hope.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #33)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 01:02 PM

35. Well ...

I do work on the things for a living, so I know a little bit about them.

And no, no one calls thruster boats turbines. Just like no one calls turbines combustion engines, they are not even close to the same thing.

I am not getting cuddled, I am not getting my info from the news. I am getting my info from the two service techs that are people I know and work with who were on the vessel.

And, that is not an ocean going ship, it's a cruise ship and is not even close to the same (propulsion wise) as an ocean going cargo vessel. A cruise ship runs on medium speed four stroke (mostly) engines and usually has 4-6 of them, and ocean going vessel runs a single two stroke engine and has smaller engines for electric and other systems.

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Response to Lurker Deluxe (Reply #35)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 01:04 PM

36. You know what?

I think I will take the word of my now retired USN Chief, who spent a total of twenty five years at sea...on this one.

Nothing personal.

You go believe whatever you want to believe...

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #36)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 02:30 PM

49. Diesels are not turbines.

They may have turbochargers, but turbines are a completely different animal.

Take it from me, a 30 year seagoing retired chief engineer in the merchant marine with steam, diesel and gas turbine endorsements.

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Response to cloudbase (Reply #49)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 02:34 PM

50. And I will put it this way

CNN did a horrible job, period.

I am sure they will get an add buy though.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #36)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 02:59 PM

52. You're free to believe what you like,

but when all's said and done, you'll still be wrong.

Nothing personal.

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Response to cloudbase (Reply #52)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 03:34 PM

53. why? I forgot. American media is perfect

And i say as somebody who works in local media

Oh and one last thing, which is ironic as shit , the we are going to Progresso came also from a pR release from, wait for it, Carnival. So i guess they are wrong too

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #53)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 04:08 PM

54. Pretty sure the poster was referencing your quote here

"It is diesel electric, and they are still called turbines."

Apparently, it's wrong.
Though if you keep insisting it is correct, it many magically become so...

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Response to Lurker Deluxe (Reply #35)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 01:30 PM

44. You being fairly new here .....

 

.... you may not realize that you are never allowed to question or criticize "she who is expert in all manner of things."

You will be summarily dismissed as a cyber-bully and relegated to "non-person" status, as I just was. Just warning ya.

As I said in another thread, as an engineer, I'd sure like to see the comprehensive final report as to what really happened. I see from the wiki page the vessel has redundant power plants, but there might be a single point vulnerability in the primary distribution system. I would appreciate hearing anything you find out. Thanks.

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Response to oldhippie (Reply #44)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 01:50 PM

45. I see how it works

I get the jist of the deal, and that's all good. Everyone knows a lot of stuff, and some people know a lot about certain stuffs.

I work on large engines for a living, and know quite a bit about them. I used to think a Cat V-18 was a beast, then I ran into an ocean going two stroke that was thirty feet tall and eighty feet long and had a bore big enough to stand in.

Just like when the Splendor caught fire in '10 I knew exactly what was going on but telling anyone could be costly. I saw the reports from that and it was really a cool job, replacing an entire engine in the "belly of the beast" as it were. They won't let me out to much anymore and six weeks in a shipyard really doesn't sound like as much fun as it was when I was 25, but that would have been an interesting repair to be part of.

I can assume the vessel has two engine rooms to separate the engine from catastrophic failure, a con rod coming out of one of those can wreak havoc on anything near it and a turbo popping could easily damage the intakes of all engines if they were in close proximity. So, the division of labor as it is. I can assume that instead of routing the power from both rooms to a switch gear located in a separate chamber the power from one engine room is routed through the switchgear in the other engine room. Something I can imagine that, if it were true, would be addressed on newer construction, the split engine rooms is a newer concept.

Just to make sure, of coarse, this is all just speculation by someone who does not work for carnival, and has no direct knowledge of the incident.

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Response to Lurker Deluxe (Reply #45)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 02:07 PM

48. Thanks, I find this stuff fascinating .....

 

I'm more a commo type engineer than mechanical, but I still love this stuff.

Due to some travel delays and a canceled flight out of Vancouver, I once spent several hours in line next to the Swiss Chief Engineering Officer of HAL's MS Zuiderdam. We had just returned from a cruise to Alaska on the ship and we were both flying back to DFW. He told me about the electrical and propulsion systems on the ship. I asked a million questions and he probably thought I was a real PITA. I would really like to see the innards of one of those ships one day.

Closest I ever got was a four hour tour of the USS Alaska, a Trident submarine. It was pretty interesting, but even with all the TS clearances my group had they wouldn't let us in the really nifty places like the reactor spaces or the commo and sonar shacks. I did get to pull the trigger (literally) on a (simulated) Trident missile launch.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #33)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 01:12 PM

40. Anyone that calls diesels turbines ......

 

... doesn't know what the hell they are talking about. Diesels are not turbines. No way, no how.

"It is diesel electric, and they are still called turbines."

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Response to oldhippie (Reply #40)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 01:13 PM

42. Buy bye

Been thinking of doing this for a while.

Have a good life.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #42)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 01:18 PM

43. So, I have achieved non-person status?

 

Cool.

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Response to oldhippie (Reply #43)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 02:00 PM

46. That's what happens when you disagree

 

She is, as they say, an expert on EVERYTHING. Don't bother.

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Response to Lurker Deluxe (Reply #31)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 01:13 PM

41. Mexico has invaded and annexed Alabama, then!

That's the only way the story might work...!

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Response to jsr (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 11:25 PM

7. Reminds me of Tony Hayward yachting during BP Gulf oil spill disaster

How out-of-touch, tone deaf, and uncaring can one be?

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Response to jsr (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 11:28 PM

9. What hell that big ring..

He thinks he is above of the people

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Response to nmbluesky (Reply #9)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 11:43 PM

14. He owns the Miami heat

I think...that looks like an NBA ownership ring.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #14)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:56 AM

18. championship ring

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Response to frylock (Reply #18)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 01:06 AM

19. You are right.

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Response to nmbluesky (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 11:21 PM

2. Why don't these cruise ships

Have solar and wind power also? They have plenty of both, plus the reflection of the ocean.

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Response to Politicalboi (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 11:23 PM

4. Hubby and I talked about the need to install

Backup systems.

The navy has them, but they get on the way of profits.

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Response to Politicalboi (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 11:32 PM

11. There is not enough real estate for the required number of wind turbines or solar panels

to make them a feasible option.

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Response to Politicalboi (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:41 AM

17. And maybe a mast or two and sails? Early coal powered ships also had sails.

They "assisted" the engine when the wind was blowing, and greatly sped up the crossing time.

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Response to nmbluesky (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 11:22 PM

3. Three accidents off the Mexican coast

And a sunk ship...

Yup, I am rushing to book a cruise, on this line, like fracking now!!!

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 11:31 PM

10. After the number of incidents they've had

They may have to pay people to take tickets for their cruises. I know I'd never, ever deal with them.

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Response to customerserviceguy (Reply #10)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 11:42 PM

13. We booked on a Norwegian vessel

For the Alaska Passage. It was more expensive and before these series of accidents. We refused the Carnival deal, due to where the ships are flagged.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #13)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 07:07 AM

20. I've heard that the Norwegian ships to Alaska

are high quality. But I remember an incident involving one back in the late 70's, when I was working in Seattle. As I always say, don't judge me by the mistakes I make, but by the mistakes I repeat!

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Response to customerserviceguy (Reply #20)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 11:10 AM

21. We had a great time

And one accident, shit happens. These guys, so far, are up to four and one sinking in what? Two years?

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #13)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 02:01 PM

47. NCL kind of sucks, by the way

 

As long as we're talking about actual cruises, not conspiracy theories.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #13)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 02:43 PM

51. Again, very interesting.

It would seem, by what I can find that the Norwegian vessel are flagged in

.....

Wait for it.

Bahamas. All except one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCL_America

The only one that is flagged American operates in Hawaii, so if you went to Alaska on NCL it was on a Bahamian flagged vessel.

Ooops.

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Response to nmbluesky (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:34 AM

15. Triumph...."For me to poop on" indeed!!!!!!!

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Response to MADem (Reply #15)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:36 AM

16. +1






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Response to MADem (Reply #15)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 11:55 AM

23. bwahahahahaha

I clicked on this thread thinking it was about the dog Triumph.

You just earned my last star

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Response to CatWoman (Reply #23)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:29 PM

28. I am so pleased to have given you a laugh today!

He's one of my favorites, from way back!

Thanks for the heart!

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Response to MADem (Reply #15)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 01:09 PM

39. OK - this made me

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