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Thu Feb 14, 2013, 09:16 AM

 

When Dykes was killed because he was on a psychological downhill, where were all the hues and cries

about execution, vigilante justice, no jury and trial?

Where were the concerns that flash bangs could have disoriented Dykes preventing him from surrendering?

And remember: Dorner was not even killed by the police (according to current indications).

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Reply When Dykes was killed because he was on a psychological downhill, where were all the hues and cries (Original post)
bigapple1963 Feb 2013 OP
annabanana Feb 2013 #1
bigapple1963 Feb 2013 #2
annabanana Feb 2013 #3
rustydog Feb 2013 #10
Trajan Feb 2013 #4
bigapple1963 Feb 2013 #6
Are_grits_groceries Feb 2013 #7
Trajan Feb 2013 #8
warrior1 Feb 2013 #11
Trajan Feb 2013 #14
Are_grits_groceries Feb 2013 #5
LisaL Feb 2013 #9
Are_grits_groceries Feb 2013 #12
liberal_at_heart Feb 2013 #13

Response to bigapple1963 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 09:21 AM

1. "Mother: Captor 'took care of Ethan'"

http://www.thonline.com/news/national_world/article_6d43f357-0dc6-5d47-80e9-793d4207d6c9.html

Associated Press |
The mother of an Alabama boy held for days in an underground bunker said in an interview broadcast Wednesday that she forgave her son's captor early in the standoff and asked authorities not to harm him.
Jennifer Kirkland's son, Ethan Gilman, was a captive for six days in rural Midland City, Ala., before FBI agents entered the bunker and killed 65-year-old Jimmy Lee Dykes.
Dykes "took care of Ethan to the best of his abilities" by cooking chicken for the boy and asking hostage negotiators to bring the child his favorite toy car, his mother told Dr. Phil McGraw in an interview for the "Dr. Phil Show."

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Response to annabanana (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 09:24 AM

2. classic stockholm syndrome n/t

 

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Response to bigapple1963 (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 09:26 AM

3. Nothing to do with Stockholm Syndrome..

That would be if Ethan had turned against his Mom & the Cops in league with Dykes...

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Response to annabanana (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 10:54 AM

10. Not necessarily, stockholm syndrome is sympathizing with your captor

after being under their control for some time.

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Response to bigapple1963 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 09:32 AM

4. Not very subtle, are you ? ....

There are instances where police should shoot to kill ...

Perhaps shooting Dorner would be just as reasonable ? .... Perhaps, as police waited outside that cabin, and Dorner came out, gun's a blazin, .... Perhaps THEN is when the police should rightly have let him have it .... When his guns are firing and he is a direct threat to public safety, and where the police had no choice but to shoot to kill ...

Dykes was armed, and when confronted, did not relinquish control of his weapons .... Police fired to protect the safety of a young child .. Who was under DIRECT and IMMEDIATE threat ...

Yet, who was directly and immediately threatened by Dorner at that moment ? .... He was cornered ... He was surrounded ... No kids or other members of the public where in that cabin with him (unlike Dykes) ...

So, your comparison to Dykes is patently fallacious, and ridiculous to boot ...

And to use FIRE ... To actually introduce an incendiary, INTENTIONALLY, and then light it ....

Sorry ... That is not justice, and it was not necessary in order to protect the public safety ...

Really .... Are you REALLY a Liberal ? ... Or do you just play one in DU to cause trouble ? .... Your embrace of vigilantism is hardly endearing ....

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Response to Trajan (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 09:39 AM

6. well

 

Was the child in direct and immediate threat when the police stormed in? Reports say police stormed in because of a breakdown in mental health not that the child was seconds away from being shot.

Now what's the difference between using flash bangs and tear gas in a dynamic entry situation?

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Response to bigapple1963 (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 09:44 AM

7. And if he is waving the gun around,

do you want to take a chance on what he will do? That's close enough for me. They had a camera monitoring him. It was one of those thin cable types that they slipped in far enough.

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Response to bigapple1963 (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 10:49 AM

8. It wasn't simply tear gas

it was incendiary tear gas ... and it appears they intentionally ignited it ... the intent was to burn that building down with the suspect inside ...

Your comments are intentionally disingenuous ...

why don't police just firebomb every holed up suspect? ... We can simply dispose of this whole justice system thingy and give the police rocket mounted grenades so all suspects can be killed without ever worrying about a jury trial ...

Something a vigilante can appreciate ...

Your attempt to conflate the two events is a separate issue altogether ... Completely fallacious association

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Response to Trajan (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 10:55 AM

11. he just killed an officer and wound another.

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Response to warrior1 (Reply #11)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 11:10 AM

14. yeah ... and they had him surrounded ...

There are many murders that are committed every day - do we simply send the police in to firebomb all murder suspects?, or just this one?

I'm sorry, but I am unwilling to hand over the justice system to a group of angry men with firebombs ...

That isn't justice ... that is vigilantism ...

I was no supporter of Dornan by any stretch ... he is no hero or anti hero ... he killed innocent human beings, and he needed to be brought to justice, but intentionally burning him to death is not justice ...

He was contained ... they had a perimeter secured with over a hundred peace officers present a safe distance away ... there was absolutely NO need to light that building on fire ...

No need whatsoever ...

I was totally behind the police until that happened ...

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Response to bigapple1963 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 09:33 AM

5. He was unstable and there was no guarantee he wouldn't change and hurt the kid.

Dykes was also willing to kill.
The first and top priority is getting that kid out alive. If Dykes can be taken alive, ok. If not, it's on his head.

The effects this has on that kid could change him and not for the good. Having Aspergers made it an even more unknown situation about how the kid would continue to react.

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 10:52 AM

9. And Dorner was stable?

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Response to LisaL (Reply #9)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 11:02 AM

12. Dorner had nobody held as a hostage

that he could immediately hurt. That is a huge difference.

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Response to bigapple1963 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 11:06 AM

13. His case is sad too.

Anytime someone doesn't get the help they need and they end up hurting themselves or someone else is tragic. Anytime we lose a human life it is tragic. Turns out the video of that surfer dude that everyone loved so much. Well the person who went berzerk and hit that person with his car and then bear hugged a woman, is mentally ill. His wife has been trying to get him help for a long time. We all got a good laugh at how charming the surfer dude was but that event was tragic as well. It's always tragic.

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