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Thu Feb 14, 2013, 09:01 AM

my email to Morning Joe today re his latest tirade against Paul Krugman!

"Krugman is still right and you are still wrong, Joe. Sure, you have your brown nosing panel members all solemnly nodding their heads but hear this: Krugman has always been right and you have often been wrong.

Krugman warned against the housing bubble. And where were you, Joe? He was right, wasn't he?

Krugman warned against the austerity program in Britain while you were crowing about how "rational" and "sane" the Cameron government was. Then the U.K. went into a triple dip recession. Oops for you, Joe! Now, you are backtracking as fast as you can on austerity!

I can barely contain my laughter, Joe! Some of us have memories and also The Google. Ouch! that smarts!"

To fill you in on today's Joe Scar rant against Krugman: he was continuing his jihad against Krugman whom Joe calls a "deficit denier" and of course nobody who comes on his show can contradict him. What a bunch of cowards! I think Krugman has driven Joe over the edge! What a pathetic LOSER! He was complaining about all of the tweets and emails from Krugman supporters (as if it were some kind of cult). Methinks he doth protest too much!

I only stayed long enough to hear from longtime feminist Letty Pogrobin and her daughter on the upcoming PBS show "Makers," a documentary made by Gloria Steinem, Marlo Thomas and Melissa Harris-Perry. That was a nice segment.

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Reply my email to Morning Joe today re his latest tirade against Paul Krugman! (Original post)
CTyankee Feb 2013 OP
Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #1
CTyankee Feb 2013 #2
Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #3
CTyankee Feb 2013 #4
Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #5
CTyankee Feb 2013 #6
homegirl Feb 2013 #7
Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #9
meeshrox Feb 2013 #8
CTyankee Feb 2013 #12
Ligyron Feb 2013 #10
CTyankee Feb 2013 #14
markpkessinger Feb 2013 #15
uponit7771 Feb 2013 #21
octoberlib Feb 2013 #11
cthulu2016 Feb 2013 #13
CTyankee Feb 2013 #18
Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2013 #16
CTyankee Feb 2013 #20
Squinch Feb 2013 #17
CTyankee Feb 2013 #19
Squinch Feb 2013 #22
CTyankee Feb 2013 #23
Squinch Feb 2013 #24
CTyankee Feb 2013 #26
Squinch Feb 2013 #27
malaise Feb 2013 #25
CTyankee Feb 2013 #28
malaise Feb 2013 #29
CTyankee Feb 2013 #30
malaise Feb 2013 #31
CTyankee Feb 2013 #32
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CTyankee Feb 2013 #34
malaise Feb 2013 #35
CTyankee Feb 2013 #36
malaise Feb 2013 #37
CTyankee Feb 2013 #38
malaise Feb 2013 #39

Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 09:06 AM

1. You do realize that you add to his ratings, right?

I have stopped watching MoJo for just that reason. If I am in the mood for right wing talking points I tune in CNBC.

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 09:14 AM

2. I guess I would if I were counted.

I never watch CNBC.

What I would like to see is Chris Hayes on every day with a weekday version of UP. He had a marvelous conversation with Krugman on last Sunday's show. It was so far and away more intelligent and intellectually stimulating than MJ, it was just refreshing! I'm afraid I am addicted to Chris. He unfailingly has good panels, full of racial, gender and age diversity and even having a conservative often among his panelists. He isn't afraid of being smart and conducts a lively discussion. BEST political talk show on the tube, IMO!

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 09:56 AM

3. And the most intelligent.

My late BF used to tune into CNBC every day. I learned so much about the economy, you can easily distinguish the right wing talking points and ignore them or change channels if they become unbearable. We were watching when Angelo Mozilo of Countrywide infamy
said "If you have a pulse, we'll give you a mortgage" We looked at each other and said "Oh hell, it's gonna coming crashing down"
Shortly after that 2 different neighbors announced their intent to sell their townhouses...I advised both to do it NOW and not wait because a crash was coming and I laid out the case. One couple put their place on the market within the month and made a killing. The other neighbor didn't and in 2007 she said to me, I wish I could have convinced my husband to talk to you... we are paying 2 mortgages and we may go under. (They had purchased land in another state and had begun construction on a new home, he wouldn't hear of selling before the new place was finished)

I was watching when that moron Rick Santelli gave his infamous rant...the Tea Party came as no surprise after that.

The Brazilian global investment capital outfit (3G) is joining Warren Buffett to buy out Heinz...3G bought Burger King and they were behind the sale of Anheuser-Busch to another foreign company. There was a time when American companies were buying the world, now the world is buying American companies.

I better understand what Paul Krugman is talking about when he condemns austerity, because of the reporting done on CNBC ... not because the clowns on CNBC came out against austerity initially, but from the reports coming from overseas correspondents.

Mika drives me wild with her posing and stupidity. When she gets all prissy, like a little girl opening a can of cockroaches, I want to scream, "grow up". When I realized that I was contributing to their viewership, by verifying the Nielsen ratings, I just had to stop. Nielsen uses just 5,000 households and extrapolates from there.... Advertisers would be the first to know if the sampling proves to be wrong. I stopped drinking Starbucks coffee when they became the face of MoJo. I used to buy my beans there every week. Now I buy my beans online from an assortment of Fair Trade outfits.

Happy Valentine's Day!

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 10:11 AM

4. I don't think I buy anything advertised on their show.

I buy good coffee but on sale with coupons. I won't buy Starbucks tho because of their sponsorship of the show.

We are retirees and tend to be very frugal. I save my money for trips to see grandkids and for cultural enrichment. That crowds out lots of "stuff" that many people buy and we don't. Not that we are virtuous. I refuse to buy inferior food, for instance. So a lot of advertising is wasted on us...

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 10:34 AM

5. Then we are pretty much on the same page...

I just find there is nothing, or very little, worthwhile that results from watching MoJo...I have found that if there is something, someone will bring it up on DU.

I am retired myself. My daughter wants neither a husband nor children and my son is still looking...both are local, however, so when circumstances change I won't have to travel. I live such a simple life I never think of it as being frugal, but when I considered the question, I realized I am.

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 11:03 AM

6. It's amazing how much people spend on cell phones, for instance. I can't be bothered with

a fancy phone that is "smart." I have a basic one and don't use it that often.

I always check to see what is on MJ the day before. If I see a guest I like is on, I'll watch. I loved watching Krugman on MJ last week, which is what got Joe's knickers in a twist...that was fun TV! I don't bother if it's all repubs. I have a backlog of books waiting to be read...

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 11:23 AM

7. Joe & Mika pin up shot

A few months ago Vanity Fair magazine had a piece on Joe and Mika. the photo was Joe sitting at a table, all done up in sports jacket, shirt and tie. Mika was posed on the table, sitting with one bare leg streched out above her head, looking super sexy in a black mini.

Joe S. is in a close contest with O'Reilly for the title of rudest host. He is allways cutting off his guests, no on ever gets to finish a thought or a sentance without Joe talking over hm. I only switch to MJ during commercial breaks but I hope I am watching the day one of his guests rips off the sound gadget and stuffs it in Joe's mouth before leaving the set!

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Response to homegirl (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 11:31 AM

9. Welcome to DU homegirl!

You can click on "smilies" and get your evil grin and bouncing greenie

There is little reason to watch a show that provides so little information. I think Joe acts like a lot of big men...he thinks size compensates for smarts. It doesn't and someone should to tell him so.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 11:25 AM

8. Nice email!



Although, unfortunately, he won't really give a shit or respond to you. Even so, it was fun to read! Thanks for posting!

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Response to meeshrox (Reply #8)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 12:47 PM

12. It was actually kinda nice that Joe got tons of emails and tweets pushing back on

Joe's remarks about Krugman. But Joe doesn't see the irony in his complaining about all those Krugman supporters, I guess...

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 11:44 AM

10. Joe was totally misrepresenting Krugman's argument, BTW

He didn't say we should just totally ignore the debt like Joe was ranting about. Krugman just said we need to be spending now to get this economy moving again and that the debt shouldn't be such a big priority right this instance. Joe's false equivalencies and pathetic straw man arguments, not to mention ad hominid attacks only showed his desperation to regain some speck of credibility after that smack-down last week.

His mouth is his worst enemy, but hey, keep talking Joe, please proceed.

I guess even Mika couldn't be paid enough to listen to that crap.

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Response to Ligyron (Reply #10)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 02:56 PM

14. Yeah, and he did say that he would be a deficit hawk if the economy warranted it.

He explained all this stuff to Joe and Joe just didn't listen.

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Response to Ligyron (Reply #10)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 03:59 PM

15. Exactly . . .

I have followed Krugman regularly over the years, and right wingers constantly misrepresent his argument in this way (i.e., claiming that Krugman simply thinks we can ignore the deficit and resulting debt). Krugman has repeatedly acknowledged that the debt is indeed a long-term problem that will need to be addressed, and has argued for continued deficit spending only in the shorter term, until the economy is again functioning at something closer to full tilt. Yet every conservative pundit, it seems, totally ignores that aspect of his argument, accusing him of advocating endless deficit spending.

Unfortunately, though, a lot of people, who maybe aren't as familiar with the totality of the case Krugman makes, take these conservative pundits' pronouncements at face value.






















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Response to Ligyron (Reply #10)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 10:16 AM

21. Joe Scar is like Ron Bergendy, he doesn't' UNDERSTAND Krugman at all. Krugman has to start grunting

...and pointing with a crooked finger

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 11:52 AM

11. I changed the channel when I heard Joe say

" the left has Paul Krugman and the right has Wayne LaPierre".

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 01:01 PM

13. Krugman denialism all gets down to "Even if I'm wrong I'm right"

It's an argument from personal incredulity, akin to, "You can't tell me I'm descended from a monkey..."

(As if the set of true things is defined as "those things which I do not object to hearing")

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Response to cthulu2016 (Reply #13)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 07:52 PM

18. Well, as Groucho Marx once said, "Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?"



P.S. Krugman has NEVER been wrong...just sayin'...

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 06:17 PM

16. They (rightwingers) think Nobel Prizes come in Cracker Jack boxes.

Paul Krugman has one, Joseph Stiglitz has one. Jimmy Carter has one.
Barack Obama has one. They are worthless because a couple of Democratic Presidents have them.

And if you ask them where they got their Ph.D. or their Nobel Prize in Economics, they'll whine, with "No, Economics isn't REALLY a science. Wahhh!"

We don't want smart people like Steven Chu, Nobel Prize winner in Physics, in the government, because smart people are BAD and have the gall to THINK THEY KNOW STUFF.

Do they ever look at the historical record to see what economic policies help the economy? Milton Friedman and supply-side economics, or John Maynard Keynes and government spending to give people jobs, like Roosevelt did???

No. Because they're wrong. If you got no demand for your product or service because people do not have money to spend, then supply means nothing. They don't know that b/c they worship at Saint Ronnie's unionbusting feet.



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Response to Manifestor_of_Light (Reply #16)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 08:48 AM

20. "small government conservatives" like Joe Scar are enraged because they are impotent thinkers.

They have flaccid brains. Their virility is all in their mouths. They cannot think their way out of this problem because they don't know how to think critically. Had they had to exercise their brains in some kind of intellectual rigor they would have better toned "instruments." But they don't and they don't know how to begin.

BTW, my theory is that Joe is really upset because nobody photoshopped HIS head on a photo of George Clooney walking away from a burning car...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=812257

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 07:30 PM

17. And did Mika sneer and make that expression that she did when Krugman was on?

It was a combination of looking as if she thought Krugman was going to smell bad, and a bug had just crawled up her nose.

It was shocking how rude they were to him when he was on their show.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #17)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 07:53 PM

19. Mika wasn't there today. I think she might have had something to say when Joe compared

Krugman to Wayne LaPierre...

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #19)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 03:44 PM

22. I don't know. She really appeared to hate Krugman when he was on. I was surprised.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #22)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 03:59 PM

23. I think she realizes that this is Joe's BFD. She probably knows that she won't keep her

job if she isn't on his team when he goes after Krugman.

Or maybe she sincerely believes his rap...

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #23)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 04:00 PM

24. Which is so sad, given that she's supposed to be the Democratic counterpoint. nt

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Response to Squinch (Reply #24)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 04:02 PM

26. yeah, well, show me the money and all that...

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #26)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 04:04 PM

27. Exactly. nt

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 04:02 PM

25. What a great email

Rec

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Response to malaise (Reply #25)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 04:12 PM

28. Thank you...written in great early morning IRE!

Could you believe Joe was STILL on his tirade TODAY?!

At some point, Joe's gotta give it a rest because he is looking like he's jealous. Krugman is a rock star. Women and men have secret crushes on him. Sure, he's a bit of a nerd, but that only makes him cooler.

What has Joe Scarborough ever done? He quit Congress without any hallmark legislation left behind. He still has to worry about that rather large skeleton in his closet. He's been wrong about just about everything and he lies about it. He has done nothing in his life worth spit.

And here he is lecturing a Nobel Laureate on Economics 101? A distinguished professor at an Ivy League school (more than one actually) who has written scholarly books and writes for the New York Times in a regular column.

And Joe is a pisher who has spent his whole "career" doing squat...

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #28)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 04:14 PM

29. I know it

Those of us who watch Joe Scum understand it

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Response to malaise (Reply #29)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 04:18 PM

30. Wouldn't it be great if we had Morning Chris Hayes, followed by Morning Melissa Harris Perry

instead?

Oh, well, we can look forward to their shows tomorrow and Sunday mornings! It'll be a little bit snowy here so I'm ready for my love fest with those two shows!

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #30)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 04:21 PM

31. Put on that pot of soup

If we had Chris on weekdays I'd have a problem leaving home

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Response to malaise (Reply #31)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 04:30 PM

32. I'm gonna do my fabulous minestrone to repay the lovely neighbors who went above and

beyond for us during our snowmageddon...

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #32)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 04:32 PM

33. Wow

that sounds good

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Response to malaise (Reply #33)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 04:42 PM

34. It is. It's from a former co-worker's grandmother who came here from Northern Italy.

I actually posted it once a while back in Cooking and Baking and had some nice feedback. I give it to neighbors when I whip up a pot...

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #34)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 04:44 PM

35. I haven't had that since New York back in the early 70s

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Response to malaise (Reply #35)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 04:46 PM

36. I found the post...

here 'tis:

1/4 cup olive oil
3 cloves garlic
1 med. onion thinly sliced
2 cups celery, sliced
2 cups carrots, sliced
2 cups shredded cabbage
16 oz can cannelini beans, rinsed & drained
1 28 oz can Italian plum tomatoes, crush by hand
1 10 oz. pkg. frozen chopped spinach
1/2 tsp dried basil
1TB dried parsley (I used fresh flat leaf last time)
1/4 tsp dried sage
S & P
1/4 cup Ditalini
8 cups chicken stock
1/4 cup parmigian cheese (I just crumbled it)
dash of balsamic vinegar

Serves 10, depending on the size of the soup bowls. You can add extra broth also, if you want to make it go further.

Saute onion, garlic, celery, cabbage and carrots 10 min. Add all but cheese, cover & simmer for 45 minutes.

Add parmigian and simmer 5 more minutes. You can substitute a heel of parmigian but I always have a chunk on hand, just crumbling it and stirring well as it melts in the hot soup.

Serve with crusty bread (I use the French bateau type, not the mushy soft Italian).

This is a good soup to tide people over til dinner when they arrive for the holidays. We tend to eat later in the day. I bring it to my daughter's house and set up the bowls for incoming family. That way, she doesn't have to prepare any lunch for folks.

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #36)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 04:50 PM

37. Wow - thank you

will make some for our next rainy day.

Cut and saved.

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Response to malaise (Reply #37)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 04:57 PM

38. If you can, put it in the fridge for the next day...It's mo' better that way!

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #38)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 04:59 PM

39. Most soups are better the day after

I'll let you know how it turns out.

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